Bummer.
Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH1ztack6Y
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/07/a ... ident.html
OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
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OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
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Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
He dropped and bounced but the collapse itself was , it looks like, simply because he pushed the stick forward or was just too nose heavy .... just my guess.
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
Yeah, he slammed the nose down pretty hard. Ouch!
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
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Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
And here I though only the SportCruiser could collapse a nose gear leg.
Certainly not what you want to happen on a long cross country........or ever. Hope everyone is ok.
Certainly not what you want to happen on a long cross country........or ever. Hope everyone is ok.
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
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Inspect at AirVenture 2018 in Oshkosh beside the Student Built display area July 23-28
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
It was a good hit, but from the film it didn't look like it was enough to crush the gear. Does anybody know if the nose gear on an Arion is particularly weak or vulnerable?
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
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Athens, GA
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Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
This photo on the Arion website doesn't inspire confidence in the nose gear robustness. Most photos I've seen have a fairing covering, but the actual strut (if you can call it that) looks pretty spindly.MrMorden wrote:It was a good hit, but from the film it didn't look like it was enough to crush the gear. Does anybody know if the nose gear on an Arion is particularly weak or vulnerable?
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
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Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
Hmmm. I wonder if the seller was demonstrating it to a prospective buyer and the buyer botched the landing.Warmi wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail. ... fieds.html
Inspect at AirVenture 2018 in Oshkosh beside the Student Built display area July 23-28
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
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Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
It's about the same as an RV-12. But Van's has said their gear are "taxi gear", not landing gear, and not meant to take any real landing abuse.Scooper wrote:This photo on the Arion website doesn't inspire confidence in the nose gear robustness. Most photos I've seen have a fairing covering, but the actual strut (if you can call it that) looks pretty spindly.MrMorden wrote:It was a good hit, but from the film it didn't look like it was enough to crush the gear. Does anybody know if the nose gear on an Arion is particularly weak or vulnerable?
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
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2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
A taxi gear ?
Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”
Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
That would be the first place to use some of the proposed increase in MTOW.
Retired from flying.
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
I do not disagree, but Van himself said this exact thing to me at Oshkosh a couple years ago. My reaction qas about the same as yours.Warmi wrote:A taxi gear ?
Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
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2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
I fully agree that one should never land nosegear first in a tricycle gear aircraft. Nevertheless, I just looked carefully through FAR 1.1, and FAA gives no definition therein for "taxi gear."
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Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
Yeah, that strikes me as a dumb comment that reflects on a poor engineering decision to go with a marginal design.MrMorden wrote:I do not disagree, but Van himself said this exact thing to me at Oshkosh a couple years ago. My reaction qas about the same as yours.Warmi wrote:A taxi gear ?
Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”
Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse
Certified nose dragger airplanes fail nose gears too. From my time as a Van's RV8 builder and pilot, and interaction with Van, he is a cautious, skilled and conservative designer. He is also blunt in his opinions. He made improvements to the RV6A nose gear when they were having failures. He did his part, he expects the pilots of his designs to do theirs. Don't slam the airplane down on the nose gear. It's piss poor technique. Period.
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