https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/new ... lacks-out/
His wife and kids were on the ground watching. The controllers did an awesome job talking him down to a safe landing.
Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Moderator: drseti
Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
I would find another CFI.
Retired from flying.
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
The rest of the story:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/ ... m/11471140
https://au.linkedin.com/in/robert-mollard-a1809824
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/ ... m/11471140
His instructor, Robert Mollard, has been a flight instructor since ...wait for it... August, 2019.Mr Sylvester said he had previously had two lessons in a different plane, but it was completely different and he had never landed an aircraft before yesterday.
https://au.linkedin.com/in/robert-mollard-a1809824
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
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Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Not completely factual, Stan. He got his CFI certificate way back in Aptil. He just got hired by that particular FBO in August.Scooper wrote: His instructor, Robert Mollard, has been a flight instructor since ...wait for it... August, 2019.
Mollard did say that Sylvester was the best student he's ever had. Small sample size, though...
The opinions posted are those of one CFI, and do not necessarily represent the FAA or its lawyers.
Prof H Paul Shuch
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Prof H Paul Shuch
PhD CFII DPE LSRM-A/GL/WS/PPC iRMT
AvSport LLC, KLHV
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
I was expecting his CFI to be an old geezer like Paul, Eddie, or ...... me.
Retired from flying.
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Oops! Mea Culpa; I was going by his chronology on LinkedIn. I wonder how many students he's taught since April.drseti wrote:Not completely factual, Stan. He got his CFI certificate way back in April. He just got hired by that particular FBO in August.Scooper wrote: His instructor, Robert Mollard, has been a flight instructor since ...wait for it... August, 2019.
Mollard did say that Sylvester was the best student he's ever had. Small sample size, though...
In any case, I hope his incapacitation isn't serious and that he has a full and speedy recovery.
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Incapacitation is a disqualifier for all classes of FAA medical certification in the USA. It can take quite a while to get it reinstated. I think you have to have two years without a recurrence or something like that. I suspect Australia would have a similar situation.
Last edited by TimTaylor on Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
This happened in Perth, Australia, so the authority would be the Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), but I'd guess their aeromedical certification requirements are similar to the FAA's.TimTaylor wrote:Incapacitation is a disqualifier for all classes of FAA medical certification. It can take quite a while to get it reinstated I believe.
Stan Cooper (K4DRD)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Private Pilot ASEL LSRI
Experimental AMD CH601XLi-B Zodiac LSA N601KE (KSTS)
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Stan, you quoted me while I was editing my post when I remembered this was in Australia.
Retired from flying.
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.MrMorden wrote:Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.
The opinions posted are those of one CFI, and do not necessarily represent the FAA or its lawyers.
Prof H Paul Shuch
PhD CFII DPE LSRM-A/GL/WS/PPC iRMT
AvSport LLC, KLHV
[email protected]
AvSport.org
facebook.com/SportFlying
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Prof H Paul Shuch
PhD CFII DPE LSRM-A/GL/WS/PPC iRMT
AvSport LLC, KLHV
[email protected]
AvSport.org
facebook.com/SportFlying
SportPilotExaminer.US
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
I've simulated passing out as an simulated emergency.drseti wrote:True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.MrMorden wrote:Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Hopefully you told the student you were doing so and didn't just slump over!3Dreaming wrote:I've simulated passing out as an simulated emergency.drseti wrote:True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.MrMorden wrote:Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out
Nope, I didn't tell them. I might say I'm not feeling so good and that we should head for the closest airport before I slump. It is a good learning experience so they know that they don't have to go out and fly the whole pattern in an emergency.MrMorden wrote:Hopefully you told the student you were doing so and didn't just slump over!3Dreaming wrote:I've simulated passing out as an simulated emergency.drseti wrote:
True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.
I only normally do this in prep for the checkride, so they understand the examiner can give them any type of emergency.