3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Talk about airplanes! At last count, there are 39 (and growing) FAA certificated S-LSA (special light sport aircraft). These are factory-built ready to fly airplanes. If you can't afford a factory-built LSA, consider buying an E-LSA kit (experimental LSA - up to 99% complete).

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I get really tired of people railing against the FAA. If you're fortunate enough to own and fly your own airplane, why not enjoy your blessings? Many people out there can't even afford food. Why should taxpayers pay to give you a rebate? If you can't afford to maintain your airplane, sell it. It just seems that the more some people have, the more they want. I guess that's OK, but don't expect someone else to pay for it.
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Nice, comprehensive link that expands on what I was trying to say. Thanks.

I feel very fortunate that the FAA carved out an exception for Special Light Sport that does make the conversion to Experimental Light Sport straightforward, and barely restricts usage at all, the most important being it can’t be used for rental or flight instruction. Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.
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FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.
Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.
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drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.
Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.
A fine but fair point. Thanks.
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FastEddieB wrote:
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.
Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.
A fine but fair point. Thanks.
I think I just saw something in the news about the FAA changing their stance on this. Some ELSA will be allowed to do flight training for hire.

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drseti wrote:My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.
That’s an excellent point.
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3Dreaming wrote: I think I just saw something in the news about the FAA changing their stance on this. Some ELSA will be allowed to do flight training for hire.
The FAA has long issued Letters of Deviation Authority in special cases. This is necessary, for example, to provide gyroplane instruction, since there are no SLSA gyros.
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drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote: My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.
But a CFI can give flight instruction to a client that owns an experimental plane and charge for services.
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smutny wrote:
But a CFI can give flight instruction to a client that owns an experimental plane and charge for services.
Yes. I meant to imply that in the way I phrased my post.
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Hi everyone, any update if the Faa has released any new information for changes in the weight restrictions for LSA?
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B747 wrote:Hi everyone, any update if the Faa has released any new information
The FAA had just come off a 5 week shutdown, and is now most likely going into another one of unknown duration. I don't think an LSA NPRM is exactly their top priority. I wouldn't hold your breath.
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IMHO the worst thing about shutdowns is it prevents the government from doing things that affect our lives......it is also the BEST thing about a shutdown.
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B747 wrote:Hi everyone, any update if the Faa has released any new information for changes in the weight restrictions for LSA?
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I just heard this from DAR Mike Huffman:
I’ve not expected an NPRM anytime soon; right after the announcement, I talked with Terry Chasteen who told me it would be 3-4 years.
(Terry is head of the FAA Light Sport program in Kansas City.)
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