ADSB-B in and out
Moderator: drseti
Re: ADSB-B in and out
For me the problem is not the hardware itself but someone who can install this stuff ( GDL 82) on my light sport ( not experimental ) plane ...
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: ADSB-B in and out
After deciding exactly what you want to install, before you buy anything, you'd best contact the manufacturer and request an LoA. Once that's granted, go ahead and buy. Armed with the LoA, any avionics shop, A&P or LSRM should be able to do the installation. (Without the LoA, you'd be wasting your money by buying something that probably won't be approved.)Warmi wrote:For me the problem is not the hardware itself but someone who can install this stuff ( GDL 82) on my light sport ( not experimental ) plane ...
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Re: ADSB-B in and out
I do have a blanket Loa from the manufacturer for pretty much all Garmin ADSB products ( it literally says “all models”) so it is just a matter of finding a shop - and that’s the problem, nobody wants to bother with such minor upgradedrseti wrote:After deciding exactly what you want to install, before you buy anything, you'd best contact the manufacturer and request an LoA. Once that's granted, go ahead and buy. Armed with the LoA, any avionics shop, A&P or LSRM should be able to do the installation. (Without the LoA, you'd be wasting your money by buying something that probably won't be approved.)Warmi wrote:For me the problem is not the hardware itself but someone who can install this stuff ( GDL 82) on my light sport ( not experimental ) plane ...
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: ADSB-B in and out
BTW .. I think TL Ultralight is pretty much the best case scenario when it comes to LOA and equipment related inquiries ...
For instance their MEL for ADSB equipment is simply :
Can't beat that
For instance their MEL for ADSB equipment is simply :
Can't beat that
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: ADSB-B in and out
How do they consider this a "minor upgrade"? You are not "upgrading" anything. They would be installing new avionics equipment. And making money in the process. You mean you can't find an avionics shop that wants to take your money? This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.Warmi wrote:I do have a blanket Loa from the manufacturer for pretty much all Garmin ADSB products ( it literally says “all models”) so it is just a matter of finding a shop - and that’s the problem, nobody wants to bother with such minor upgrade
PS - you might want to skip #14, just sayin'
Re: ADSB-B in and out
So far , the shops I been talking to work on upgrading certified planes with price tags ranging from 50k up ... this sort of work I need is a waste of time for them. I need to find some smaller operation , somebody like 3Dreaming but who is willing to install avionics
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: ADSB-B in and out
Sure you can...uAvionix is not on the list!Warmi wrote:BTW .. I think TL Ultralight is pretty much the best case scenario when it comes to LOA and equipment related inquiries ...
For instance their MEL for ADSB equipment is simply :
MEL.jpg
Can't beat that
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: ADSB-B in and out
x2MrMorden wrote:Sure you can...uAvionix is not on the list!Warmi wrote:BTW .. I think TL Ultralight is pretty much the best case scenario when it comes to LOA and equipment related inquiries ...
For instance their MEL for ADSB equipment is simply :
MEL.jpg
Can't beat that
Bill Ince
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
Re: ADSB-B in and out
Well .... ok , I would have to send a letter to TL Ultralight to get uAvionix on the list - no problem at all .. and the main difference would be that once it gets on that list it would be available to everyone - which , to my understanding, is not the case with many other manufacturers.
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: ADSB-B in and out
That part is true, there are very few "blanket approvals" for the Flight Design airplanes, for example. And even for those you still have to submit an MRA (major repair or alteration) form to FD for their files, for which they'll charge you $75.Warmi wrote:Well .... ok , I would have to send a letter to TL Ultralight to get uAvionix on the list - no problem at all .. and the main difference would be that once it gets on that list it would be available to everyone - which , to my understanding, is not the case with many other manufacturers.
Sounds like TL is doing it right, from a customer perspective.
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: ADSB-B in and out
Try some places as smaller fields down state a bit. Check with the local EAA chapter. They should either have someone who can do the work or know an A&P that's happy to work on EAB's. Such a person would probably be happy to work on an LSA also. Some of these people are part timers that have "real" jobs and do this sort of work for flying money, but that doesn't mean they down't know what they are about.Warmi wrote:So far , the shops I been talking to work on upgrading certified planes with price tags ranging from 50k up ... this sort of work I need is a waste of time for them. I need to find some smaller operation , somebody like 3Dreaming but who is willing to install avionics
Re: ADSB-B in and out
But the uAvionix skyBeacon (wing tip light) won't work on a Sting - correct? The Nav lights on a Sting are inside a cover. I know uAvionix is coming out with a tail light (tailBeacon) but I have a strong feeling that it will be much larger than the tail light on a Sting.I would have to send a letter to TL Ultralight to get uAvionix on the list - no problem at all ..
I too have figured the Garmin GDL-82 might be my best option. If I can get a friendly A&P to take on the task, I'm worried it's still going to end up in the price range of a GTX-335 (transponder swap-out).
Anyone put a GDL-82 in a Sting?
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Re: ADSB-B in and out
I am talking to http://www.midwestskysports.com/ to have it installed ( GDL 82 ) + some other minor avionics related work - currently waiting for a quote.JJay wrote:But the uAvionix skyBeacon (wing tip light) won't work on a Sting - correct? The Nav lights on a Sting are inside a cover. I know uAvionix is coming out with a tail light (tailBeacon) but I have a strong feeling that it will be much larger than the tail light on a Sting.I would have to send a letter to TL Ultralight to get uAvionix on the list - no problem at all ..
I too have figured the Garmin GDL-82 might be my best option. If I can get a friendly A&P to take on the task, I'm worried it's still going to end up in the price range of a GTX-335 (transponder swap-out).
Anyone put a GDL-82 in a Sting?
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: ADSB-B in and out
You should be so lucky to simply have to submit some paperwork and pay $75 to make a change, this sounds like FD is doing it right as well, sounds like heaven to me.MrMorden wrote:That part is true, there are very few "blanket approvals" for the Flight Design airplanes, for example. And even for those you still have to submit an MRA (major repair or alteration) form to FD for their files, for which they'll charge you $75.
Sounds like TL is doing it right, from a customer perspective.
Re: ADSB-B in and out
The GDL-82 is a clean and simple install and works really well. You won't be disappointed at all with Garmin's unit. I have one installed (not in a Sting) and love it.JJay wrote:But the uAvionix skyBeacon (wing tip light) won't work on a Sting - correct? The Nav lights on a Sting are inside a cover. I know uAvionix is coming out with a tail light (tailBeacon) but I have a strong feeling that it will be much larger than the tail light on a Sting.
I too have figured the Garmin GDL-82 might be my best option. If I can get a friendly A&P to take on the task, I'm worried it's still going to end up in the price range of a GTX-335 (transponder swap-out).
Anyone put a GDL-82 in a Sting?
Swapping out a 327 transponder for the 335 will be more work and more money all around. There's nothing simple about a transponder swap when you are swapping the trays and terminating all new wires for the high density connector connector on the 335. The 335 has a 62 pin connector and the 327 has a 25 pin connector, there are a few more wires needed. The 335 is about 2 inches longer than the 327 so be sure you have the room if you go this route. Just food for thought.