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Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby Scooper » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:45 am

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/new-student-lands-152-after-instructor-blacks-out/

His wife and kids were on the ground watching. The controllers did an awesome job talking him down to a safe landing.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby TimTaylor » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:52 am

I would find another CFI.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby Scooper » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:10 am

The rest of the story:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/emergency-plane-landing-pilot-credits-study-for-saving-him/11471140

Mr Sylvester said he had previously had two lessons in a different plane, but it was completely different and he had never landed an aircraft before yesterday.


His instructor, Robert Mollard, has been a flight instructor since ...wait for it... August, 2019.

https://au.linkedin.com/in/robert-mollard-a1809824
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby drseti » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:46 am

Scooper wrote:His instructor, Robert Mollard, has been a flight instructor since ...wait for it... August, 2019.


Not completely factual, Stan. He got his CFI certificate way back in Aptil. He just got hired by that particular FBO in August.

Mollard did say that Sylvester was the best student he's ever had. Small sample size, though...
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby TimTaylor » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:53 pm

I was expecting his CFI to be an old geezer like Paul, Eddie, or ...... me.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby Scooper » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:17 pm

drseti wrote:
Scooper wrote:His instructor, Robert Mollard, has been a flight instructor since ...wait for it... August, 2019.


Not completely factual, Stan. He got his CFI certificate way back in April. He just got hired by that particular FBO in August.

Mollard did say that Sylvester was the best student he's ever had. Small sample size, though...

Oops! Mea Culpa; I was going by his chronology on LinkedIn. I wonder how many students he's taught since April.

In any case, I hope his incapacitation isn't serious and that he has a full and speedy recovery.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby TimTaylor » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:54 pm

Incapacitation is a disqualifier for all classes of FAA medical certification in the USA. It can take quite a while to get it reinstated. I think you have to have two years without a recurrence or something like that. I suspect Australia would have a similar situation.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby Scooper » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:59 pm

TimTaylor wrote:Incapacitation is a disqualifier for all classes of FAA medical certification. It can take quite a while to get it reinstated I believe.

This happened in Perth, Australia, so the authority would be the Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), but I'd guess their aeromedical certification requirements are similar to the FAA's.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby TimTaylor » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:01 pm

Stan, you quoted me while I was editing my post when I remembered this was in Australia.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby MrMorden » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:58 pm

Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby drseti » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:15 pm

MrMorden wrote:Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.


True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby 3Dreaming » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:59 pm

drseti wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.


True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.


I've simulated passing out as an simulated emergency.

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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby MrMorden » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:21 am

3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Every CFI ever has had a first year of being a CFI. I don't see this as a problem.


True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.


I've simulated passing out as an simulated emergency.


Hopefully you told the student you were doing so and didn't just slump over!
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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby Warmi » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:31 am

Haha ... like this guy - that was just damn cruel ...

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Re: Student taking first lesson lands 152 after CFI passes out

Postby 3Dreaming » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:28 pm

MrMorden wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:
True. But passing out in flight during your first (or in fact any subsequent) year, that is a problem.


I've simulated passing out as an simulated emergency.


Hopefully you told the student you were doing so and didn't just slump over!


Nope, I didn't tell them. I might say I'm not feeling so good and that we should head for the closest airport before I slump. It is a good learning experience so they know that they don't have to go out and fly the whole pattern in an emergency.

I only normally do this in prep for the checkride, so they understand the examiner can give them any type of emergency.


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