ICAO flight plan format

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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby chicagorandy » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:38 pm

Thanks for the info.
Am I correctly inferring that this concerns international to/from flights only?
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby Warmi » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:42 pm

Nope, any flight plans , domestic or otherwise.

Truth be told , unless I am about to fly over mountains or someplace truly remote I would never bother with a flight plan and as far as I can tell hardly anybody does ( at least for recreational type of flying ) ....
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby drseti » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:06 pm

chicagorandy wrote:Am I correctly inferring that this concerns international to/from flights only?


That is correct today. Effective next Tuesday, it becomes required for all flight plans.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby Sling 2 Pilot » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:44 pm

drseti wrote:Since you appear to have a completely Garmin panel, I suggest you check their website. They have a matrix showing ICAO codes for each of their different models.


Will do drseti.

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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby chicagorandy » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:23 pm

Sounds to this uninformed geezer like the FAA's motto at work on a global scale - "We're not happy until YOU'RE not happy"?
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby TimTaylor » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:03 pm

I haven't filed a VFR flight plan in 40+ years. I always filed IFR until I quit flying IFR. That's if I was going anywhere other than local. I use Flight Following now if I'm other than local.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby Warmi » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm

ADSB and apps like Garmin Pilot, Foreflight and others with real time updates will make flight following pretty much obsolete.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby TimTaylor » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:46 pm

Not unless the FAA stops providing the service.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby Wm.Ince » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:47 pm

Warmi wrote:ADSB and apps like Garmin Pilot, Foreflight and others with real time updates will make flight following pretty much obsolete.

Could be . . . but what is the purpose of flight following?
The real question is . . . will the above actually replace the intent of flight following?
I think that remains to be seen.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby Warmi » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:54 pm

Well, ADSB and related technologies won’t replace Flight Following services like being automatically cleared to proceed thru some or other airspace etc but as far as traffic advisory and general advisory , you can get pretty much all of that right now out of your devices.
Frankly in my case, these few times I used FF ( flying lake short Chicago for instance ) , pretty much every traffic advisory I got , I was already aware of thanks to my Garmin 796.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby TimTaylor » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:57 pm

I use flight following in case I have a problem, I'm already talking with someone who knows where I am. Flight following does not provide guaranteed traffic separation. With flight following, I don't feel the need to file a VFR flight plan.
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby rcpilot » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:46 am

TimTaylor wrote:I use flight following in case I have a problem, I'm already talking with someone who knows where I am. Flight following does not provide guaranteed traffic separation. With flight following, I don't feel the need to file a VFR flight plan.

Problem is here in the NE you sometimes cannot get flight following because they are too busy. I've been dropped twice. Not too mention last week it took me a good 5 minutes to get their attention all the while doing circles to avoid the class C.

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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby drseti » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:26 am

Warmi wrote:Well, ADSB and related technologies won’t replace Flight Following services like being automatically cleared to proceed thru some or other airspace


Just to be clear for those who don't know: Flight Following is great, but it provides advisory services only, on a workload-permitting basis. It does not automatically clear you through airspace - you still have to request clearance into or through a B or C. And they won't necessarily be able to vector you through (or even warn you about) TFRs, Restricted, or Prohibited areas. That's all on you, the PIC, per FAR 91.3(a).
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby JJay » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:04 am

plus “B2” (for 1090 MHz ADS-B “out” capability)


B2 is actually ADS-B "in and out" capability. I've been specifying B1 - ADS-B "out" - for the ICAO form. But that raises a question: I do have ADS-B "in" using a Garmin GDL-39 and an iPad with Garmin Pilot, but as those are portable devices I assume I can't actually report having ADS-B "in" capability - is that correct?
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Re: ICAO flight plan format

Postby Warmi » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:08 am

drseti wrote:
Warmi wrote:Well, ADSB and related technologies won’t replace Flight Following services like being automatically cleared to proceed thru some or other airspace


.... It does not automatically clear you through airspace - you still have to request clearance into or through a B or C. ...


Yes, it does not happen automatically but they will sometimes coordinate for you and let you know that you are cleared thru space D or whatever ... I have seen it happen.
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