Can I fly a single seat with a student pilots license.

[cornfieldflyer]

drseti: I like your answer. Makes one feel a little better. It must be as you say, there are those who where asleep in class.
Wish I was closer to you for I like how you do things and your way of thinking.

Are you aware of the book I am speaking of?

Do you allow someone to train in a single seater and do thier check ride in a single seater?

Myself I believe if one has access to a dual seater then that should or could be used for the check ride, if this is not done then one will not be able to fly a passenger without an indorsement. But if all you have is a single seater one can do the check ride in that single seater.

I hate to keep saying this but.....Its says so right in the book.....

Tony

[drseti]

If you're referring to the ASA book by Paul Hamilton, then yes, I'm familiar with it. Check the copyright date, because it may be outdated (the FARs were revised in April 2010, and as I keep saying, it is the regs that are the final authority).

I had one primary student who started in a single-seat CGI Hawk. He transitioned to a two-seater for his XC flights, checkride prep, and practical test (there is no local DPI who felt comfortable approving a single-seat checkride). The following weekend, I transitioned him back to his own plane. He came back to me two years later for a flight review in my 2-place trainer. He figures it doesn't hurt him to get an hour of dual once every couple of years, and I agree.

Remember that just because a book says something, that doesn't make it correct, or current information. (kind of like "I read it on the internet, so it must be so"). Always go the official source (FAR, PTS) to be sure.

[3Dreaming]

Tony, as Drseti said we all as CFI's have to do training to keep up on changes. I embraced sport pilot from the start, and started providing training in 2006. The thing is we have to follow the regulations, and this is what it says we have to do before you solo in an airplane. Flying a single place airplane would be considered solo flight.

(c) Pre-solo flight training. Prior to conducting a solo flight, a student pilot must have:
(1) Received and logged flight training for the maneuvers and procedures of this section that are appropriate to the make and model of aircraft to be flown; and

(2) Demonstrated satisfactory proficiency and safety, as judged by an authorized instructor, on the maneuvers and procedures required by this section in the make and model of aircraft or similar make and model of aircraft to be flown.

(d) Maneuvers and procedures for pre-solo flight training in a single-engine airplane. A student pilot who is receiving training for a single-engine airplane rating or privileges must receive and log flight training for the following maneuvers and procedures:

(1) Proper flight preparation procedures, including preflight planning and preparation, powerplant operation, and aircraft systems;

(2) Taxiing or surface operations, including runups;

(3) Takeoffs and landings, including normal and crosswind;

(4) Straight and level flight, and turns in both directions;

(5) Climbs and climbing turns;

(6) Airport traffic patterns, including entry and departure procedures;

(7) Collision avoidance, windshear avoidance, and wake turbulence avoidance;

(8) Descents, with and without turns, using high and low drag configurations;

(9) Flight at various airspeeds from cruise to slow flight;

(10) Stall entries from various flight attitudes and power combinations with recovery initiated at the first indication of a stall, and recovery from a full stall;

(11) Emergency procedures and equipment malfunctions;

(12) Ground reference maneuvers;

(13) Approaches to a landing area with simulated engine malfunctions;

(14) Slips to a landing; and

(15) Go-arounds.

[cornfieldflyer]

Tony, as Drseti said we all as CFI's have to do training to keep up on changes. I embraced sport pilot from the start, and started providing training in 2006. The thing is we have to follow the regulations, and this is what it says we have to do before you solo in an airplane. Flying a single place airplane would be considered solo flight.

(c) Pre-solo flight training. Prior to conducting a solo flight, a student pilot must have:
(1) Received and logged flight training for the maneuvers and procedures of this section that are appropriate to the make and model of aircraft to be flown; and

(2) Demonstrated satisfactory proficiency and safety, as judged by an authorized instructor, on the maneuvers and procedures required by this section in the make and model of aircraft or similar make and model of aircraft to be flown.

(d) Maneuvers and procedures for pre-solo flight training in a single-engine airplane. A student pilot who is receiving training for a single-engine airplane rating or privileges must receive and log flight training for the following maneuvers and procedures:

(1) Proper flight preparation procedures, including preflight planning and preparation, powerplant operation, and aircraft systems;

(2) Taxiing or surface operations, including runups;

(3) Takeoffs and landings, including normal and crosswind;

(4) Straight and level flight, and turns in both directions;

(5) Climbs and climbing turns;

(6) Airport traffic patterns, including entry and departure procedures;

(7) Collision avoidance, windshear avoidance, and wake turbulence avoidance;

(8) Descents, with and without turns, using high and low drag configurations;

(9) Flight at various airspeeds from cruise to slow flight;

(10) Stall entries from various flight attitudes and power combinations with recovery initiated at the first indication of a stall, and recovery from a full stall;

(11) Emergency procedures and equipment malfunctions;

(12) Ground reference maneuvers;

(13) Approaches to a landing area with simulated engine malfunctions;

(14) Slips to a landing; and

(15) Go-arounds.

I like number 8....Please explain to me when flying my PPC I can do this, or even my fixed wing that is a high drag no flap type of bird, almost an ultralight.

What you speak of is more for GA training. Some bleads over into SP but not all. This is the type of things I speak of.
How in the heck do I do number 8 in my birds I fly.

I guess I could stick both arms out or something.

Tony

[3Dreaming]

Look at the line right under the red print. I just listed training for single engine land airplane. PPC has their own list of required maneuvers, as does weight shift control (trikes). If you read CFR 61 sub part "C" it covers student pilots, and you have to be a student pilot before you can become a sport pilot. Read the regulations they do make some notations for training required for sport pilot students.

[drseti]

Tom, there seems to be a bigger issue at play here than merely determining what to do with single-seat aircraft. Many students are only interested in the flying, not the reading, aspects of flight instruction. If they won't read and digest the FARs, they may become airplane drivers, but never pilots. To his credit, Tony has shown an interest in reading, but now has to go to the official sources.

[3Dreaming]

Tom, there seems to be a bigger issue at play here than merely determining what to do with single-seat aircraft. Many students are only interested in the flying, not the reading, aspects of flight instruction. If they won't read and digest the FARs, they may become airplane drivers, but never pilots. To his credit, Tony has shown an interest in reading, but now has to go to the official sources.

Because of the instructor in me I'm trying to get there.