Specify Aircraft Type

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Specify Aircraft Type

Postby JJ Campbell » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:25 pm

When I contact a tower or when requesting flight following. I always announce myself as "Light Sport 693JP." I often get prompted with 693JP specify aircraft type. Unfortunately, if I respond with Tecnam Eaglet P92, I generally get some form of "huh?"

So, which would be the better of the following two responses?:

A) ICAO Designation ECHO
B) Like a 162 Skycatcher
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby 3Dreaming » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:27 pm

Echo Charlie Hotel Oscar, Let them look it up, then maybe they will remember.

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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby FastEddieB » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:59 pm

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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby drseti » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:23 pm

JJ Campbell wrote: Unfortunately, if I respond with Tecnam Eaglet P92, I generally get some form of "huh?"


That's because there are now something like 180 different makes and models of LSA, and nobody knows them all. If you say "Light Sport," they won't know whether you're an airplane, a glider, a gyroplane, a powered parachute, a hot air balloon, or a weight shift control trike. Saying "Light Sport airplane" is a little more informative, because at least it gives ATC an inkling of what they're dealing with. If the frequency isn't too congested, I usually say "Echo Victor Sierra Sierra, a Light Sport airplane." That usually elicits no further questions.
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby FastEddieB » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:44 pm

I usually just check in with “Experimental Sky Arrow”. That’s usually all it takes. If queried, I give the identifier, SKAR. If it’s not busy, sometimes a short conversation about my Eye-talian built Light Sport may ensue.
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Wm.Ince » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:08 pm

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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby ShawnM » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:29 pm

The SportCruiser is “CRUZ”.

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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Type47 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:57 am

I have had the best luck with:
“Type of aircraft echo charlie hotel oscar”
Many times they have then proceeded to call me Echo and tail number.
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Warmi » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:31 pm

Wouldn’t be simpler to just say Cessna 172 Like performance class ?
That’s all they need to know really ..
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby drseti » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:52 pm

You do that, and in the unfortunate event of an accident, they'll send CAP out searching for a Cessna 172! :x
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Warmi » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:16 pm

drseti wrote:You do that, and in the unfortunate event of an accident, they'll send CAP out searching for a Cessna 172! :x


Only if they are not really listening at which point then why bother ... - specifying “a low wing” with Cessna 172 like performance should cover both ends since gives them enough info to sequence the plane properly and visually identify as well.

These days running ones tail number via google ( which is really a 5 second op) will give you everything you need to know about the plane.
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Scooper » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:36 pm

@3Dreaming and @FastEddieB are right. When they ask for "aircraft type" respond with the ICAO Type Designator. The P-92 Eaglet is "ECHO".
Just say, "ICAO Type Designator is Echo Charlie Hotel Oscar."
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Warmi » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:57 pm

Scooper wrote:@3Dreaming and @FastEddieB are right. When they ask for "aircraft type" respond with the ICAO Type Designator. The P-92 Eaglet is "ECHO".
Just say, "ICAO Type Designator is Echo Charlie Hotel Oscar."
Tecnam P-92.jpg



I have done it with my Sting and didn’t work to well, still had to describe my plane in terms of performance etc ..
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Re: Specify Aircraft Type

Postby Scooper » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:12 am

Warmi wrote:
Scooper wrote:@3Dreaming and @FastEddieB are right. When they ask for "aircraft type" respond with the ICAO Type Designator. The P-92 Eaglet is "ECHO".
Just say, "ICAO Type Designator is Echo Charlie Hotel Oscar."
Tecnam P-92.jpg



I have done it with my Sting and didn’t work to well, still had to describe my plane in terms of performance etc ..

It sounds like they were either too lazy to look it up or didn't understand what is commonly meant by asking for "aircraft type." That term is used when filing a flight plan to give ATC performance characteristics, and the AIM specifies what the term means in completing FAA Form 7233-4 International Flight Plan (now recommended for domestic IFR flights) this way:
"3. Item 9. Number, Type of Aircraft, and
Wake Turbulence Category.
(b) Type of Aircraft.
(1) Insert the appropriate designator as
specified in ICAO Doc 8643, Aircraft Type
Designators."

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