Re: RV12 down in MD
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:13 pm
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Nothing.Cluemeister wrote:That's a lot of skill and experience. As a pilot in training, this is the part I hate about aviation. If a guy with that much experience can get bit, what does that say about us greenhorns?
From my reading it seems they made the turn okay and then mushed in on final with a stall/spin at the very end, maybe from very low altitude. They might not have gotten much speed up before impact. Almost sounds like engine trouble and an attempt to stretch the glide.drseti wrote:It sounds like the classic base-to-final stall/spin scenario. Sadly, those accidents seldom are survivable.
The conclusion was made based on the eyewitness account in the NTSB preliminary report, posted on page 1 of this thread.VL Roberts wrote:http://www.wbaltv.com/news/small-plane- ... e/39106870
Before anyone concludes that the pilot spun or stalled the aircraft, take a look at this video. The longitudinal axis of the airplane appears to be perfectly aligned with the extended center line of the runway. The condition of the wreckage does not appear to be consistent with that of a spin impact. Note the scarring on the ground in trail of the aircraft. I've been to a few accident sites where the airplane had stalled and never saw any trail marks where the aircraft had continued to move forward, the aircraft had remained in place at the point of impact.
It is obvious from the video that if you were on final to this runway with a loss of engine power and it became apparent that you were not going to make the runway, you now had to get the plane down onto this field prior to the road and treeline.
Obviously. I was just adding some additional info that would seem to contradict the stall/spin scenario.3Dreaming wrote:The conclusion was made based on the eyewitness account in the NTSB preliminary report, posted on page 1 of this thread.VL Roberts wrote:http://www.wbaltv.com/news/small-plane- ... e/39106870
Before anyone concludes that the pilot spun or stalled the aircraft, take a look at this video. The longitudinal axis of the airplane appears to be perfectly aligned with the extended center line of the runway. The condition of the wreckage does not appear to be consistent with that of a spin impact. Note the scarring on the ground in trail of the aircraft. I've been to a few accident sites where the airplane had stalled and never saw any trail marks where the aircraft had continued to move forward, the aircraft had remained in place at the point of impact.
It is obvious from the video that if you were on final to this runway with a loss of engine power and it became apparent that you were not going to make the runway, you now had to get the plane down onto this field prior to the road and treeline.
I had a cat, Miles, who used to always get into a fight with a fox that lived in neighboring woods. He was a big, mean cat and often came back with tufts of fox fur in his mouth. But he loved to venture into those woods to go after his favorite thing; rabbits. But every day, he knew that going after a bunny might mean a tussle with the fox. A neighborhood kid noted the frequent fox encounters and asked why I thought the fox kept going after the cat. I told him, the fox only has to win once to be successful. Miles knew that every time he went into the woods, he had to be prepared, but the bunnies were worth the risk to him.Cluemeister wrote:That's a lot of skill and experience. As a pilot in training, this is the part I hate about aviation. If a guy with that much experience can get bit, what does that say about us greenhorns?
What you say is interesting and true, but I think it is also why many would like to think that when there is a terrible accident it was due to pilot error. Pilot error is something we can control and therefor we can prevent it and not suffer the same fate as the other guy . But if it is a situation where the pilot did everything right and the outcome is horrible, that can be disconcerting.Merlinspop wrote:I had a cat, Miles, who used to always get into a fight with a fox that lived in neighboring woods. He was a big, mean cat and often came back with tufts of fox fur in his mouth. But he loved to venture into those woods to go after his favorite thing; rabbits. But every day, he knew that going after a bunny might mean a tussle with the fox. A neighborhood kid noted the frequent fox encounters and asked why I thought the fox kept going after the cat. I told him, the fox only has to win once to be successful. Miles knew that every time he went into the woods, he had to be prepared, but the bunnies were worth the risk to him.Cluemeister wrote:That's a lot of skill and experience. As a pilot in training, this is the part I hate about aviation. If a guy with that much experience can get bit, what does that say about us greenhorns?
Our other cat never went near the wood line and was perfectly content with her risk/reward equation.
Know the risks. Be as skilled as you can be through training and study. Be vigilant in watching out for danger. Be ready to take immediate corrective action at first sign that something isn't right. Fate (for you Earnie Gann fans) only has to win once.
Cancer eventually caught Miles, but that fox never did.
THIS.VL Roberts wrote:[if it is a situation where the pilot did everything right and the outcome is horrible, that can be disconcerting.
Oh, I agree absolutely! Not everything that might happen can be successfully fended off. Sometimes, no matter what a person does or how well they're trained, the outcome might be bad. That's part of the risk/reward balance and everyone has to find their own balance point, and revisit frequently.VL Roberts wrote: But if it is a situation where the pilot did everything right and the outcome is horrible, that can be disconcerting.
Quick Google...SportPilot wrote:Fate and luck are not part of the equation.