Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:31 pm
Got it.
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But you would still have to be BELOW 1200' to fly up next to a cloud. Anything over 1200' and you must maintain the 500/1000/2000 as per 91.155. Thank you for clearing up the 61.315 question. I knew it was 3 MI Vis but I wasn't sure where to find it.bryancobb wrote:A light bulb just went off in my head!
I see where the confusion is caused.
When the FAR says "Clear of Clouds," that doesn't have anything to do with the SKY not having any clouds! And... It has nothing to do with visibility.
"Clear of Clouds" means that the PILOT must not fly INTO an existing cloud but he can fly right up close to one. This term is in the same group of "distances from clouds" as "1000' above, 500' below, and 2000' laterally."
Visibility can be more than 3 MI and legal for Sport Pilots, with clouds all over the place.
The "clear of clouds" limit is also found in class B airspace.bryancobb wrote:No you would not have to be below 1200! You WOULD have to be in Class G airspace.
Thank you comperini, I did not even notice the Class B, but then again I do not fly there very often. I have included the 91.155 table link again that shows the cloud clearance requirements. Like you said comperini, jusst cross out the 1MI Vis and make it a 3 MI Vis and I believe you are good to go.comperini wrote:The "clear of clouds" limit is also found in class B airspace.bryancobb wrote:No you would not have to be below 1200! You WOULD have to be in Class G airspace.
He's right about the class G thing though... in Class G, the only times you can excercise the "clear of clouds" deal, is when you are in Class G, *and* no higher than 1200 AGL. If you are in class G, but more than 1200 AGL, then the cloud clearance requirements start going up
To make the table in 91.155 "sport pilot" compatible, just cross out the "class A" line from the table, and replace any "1 statute mile" with 3.
With all the knowledge you pass on to us I think we will let you slide just this once, LOL JK! We are all human, besides it not like they really make reading and understanding the FARs easy. Look here, then look there, but this trumps that unless the moon is full on a Tuesday and then if you fly on a Thursday you have to read that section backwards, blah blah blah. You get my point, if you don't look at everything you will often miss something.bryancobb wrote:You are correct gentlemen!!! I stand corrected.
Wouldn't it be great if someone created a hyper text document from the FARs so you actually read all the references in line?. Hum, should be doable using Perl. Sounds like work for a summer intern. Of course the visibility and cloud clearance stuff would still take an A.I algorithm to figure out.ArionAv8or wrote:With all the knowledge you pass on to us I think we will let you slide just this once, LOL JK! We are all human, besides it not like they really make reading and understanding the FARs easy. Look here, then look there, but this trumps that unless the moon is full on a Tuesday and then if you fly on a Thursday you have to read that section backwards, blah blah blah. You get my point, if you don't look at everything you will often miss something.bryancobb wrote:You are correct gentlemen!!! I stand corrected.
CHICKEN!bryancobb wrote:I'M JUST GONNA KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT... NOT SAYING A WORD!