Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby FastEddieB » Wed May 06, 2020 6:32 pm

My brain hurts.

Don’t know if this helps or not, but the top two lines of the Airworthiness Certificate for my E-LSA Sky Arrow.

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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby drseti » Thu May 07, 2020 12:23 am

That's as it should be, Eddie. Since you converted to ELSA, your aircraft's category (for registration purposes) is indeed Experimental (operating Light Sport). Before, when it was an SLSA, your aircraft's category was probably Special (operating Light Sport), and that should be what it said on the Special Airworthiness Certificate . This is consistent with FAR 1.1.
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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby drseti » Thu May 07, 2020 2:26 pm

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Here's another Special Airworthiness Certificate, this one from an SLSA. Note that the Category is Light-Sport, and the Class (here referred to as Purpose) is Weight-Shift-Control.
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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby drseti » Thu May 07, 2020 2:53 pm

3Dreaming wrote:Paul, I don't think that Category should be Light Sport. I think it should be Airplane Single Engine Land/sea, Rotorcraft Gyroplane, Ect.


I don't really think it should be either, Tom. Nevertheless, if you look at the Airworthiness Certificates, you'll see that it is.
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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu May 07, 2020 4:03 pm

drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:Paul, I don't think that Category should be Light Sport. I think it should be Airplane Single Engine Land/sea, Rotorcraft Gyroplane, Ect.


I don't really think it should be either, Tom. Nevertheless, if you look at the Airworthiness Certificates, you'll see that it is.


When I said it shouldn't be it was in regards to what a sport pilot can fly. That is what I got from your post. For airworthiness certificate a sport pilot is certainly not limited to flying something in the light sport category. They can fly aircraft in the standard category, primary category, experimental category as well as the light sport category.

The light sport category as it is use in the regulations is just a way to issue an airworthiness certificate to a factory built light sport aircraft, that is not eligible to receive an airworthiness certificate in one of the other manners. Plus not be encumbered with the restrictions that go along with an experimental certificate.

So in conclusion what matters for a light sport aircraft is that it meets the CFR 1.1 definition, not how it was certified. Sport pilots are not restricted to light sport category. They can fly any category of aircraft regardless of how it was certified as long as it meet the definition.

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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby drseti » Thu May 07, 2020 5:49 pm

3Dreaming wrote: what matters for a light sport aircraft is that it meets the CFR 1.1 definition, not how it was certified. Sport pilots are not restricted to light sport category. They can fly any category of aircraft regardless of how it was certified as long as it meet the definition.


I concur completely. Well said.
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Re: Takeoffs and Landings in non-LSA towards passenger currency

Postby Scooper » Thu May 07, 2020 6:36 pm

My Zodiac Special Airworthiness Certificates before converting to experimental (S-LSA):
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..and after (E-LSA):
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