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Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby foresterpoole » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:57 pm

OK, got a question which came up recently. I was flying with a friend who's medical had expired but who had a valid flight review, drivers liscense and was operating as a sport pilot when PIC. We had a discussion on whether or not we could do a few touch and go's at the local class D airport if he was the PIC. Since I was PIC at the time and have a valid Private and medical it was not an issue, but it was an intriguing question: Can a private pilot flying under sport pilot privileges fly into controlled airspace without a sign-off? Technically, the pilot holds a private certificate, but your also not technically flying under those rules, as a sport pilot you would need a separate endorsement for controlled airspace, so any expert opinions here???
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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby 3Dreaming » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:48 pm

Yes he can fly in class B, C, and D airspace without additional endorsements. Being a private pilot he has already had the required training as part of his certification.

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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby drseti » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:50 pm

foresterpoole wrote: Can a private pilot flying under sport pilot privileges fly into controlled airspace without a sign-off?


Yes, Ed, if he or she has previously operated in such airspace as a PP. The pilot is then grandfathered (or grandmothered?)
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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby 3Dreaming » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:13 am

drseti wrote:
foresterpoole wrote: Can a private pilot flying under sport pilot privileges fly into controlled airspace without a sign-off?


Yes, Ed, if he or she has previously operated in such airspace as a PP. The pilot is then grandfathered (or grandmothered?)


There is no regulatory requirement that a private pilot must have previously operated in such airspace. The requirement for extra training for airspace and an endorsement only apply to holders of student, recreational, or sport pilot certificates.

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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby drseti » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:18 am

Thanks, Tom.
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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby foresterpoole » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:20 pm

3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:
foresterpoole wrote: Can a private pilot flying under sport pilot privileges fly into controlled airspace without a sign-off?


Yes, Ed, if he or she has previously operated in such airspace as a PP. The pilot is then grandfathered (or grandmothered?)


There is no regulatory requirement that a private pilot must have previously operated in such airspace. The requirement for extra training for airspace and an endorsement only apply to holders of student, recreational, or sport pilot certificates.


Awesome, thanks for the clarification!
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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby RBearden56 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:29 am

3Dreaming wrote:Yes he can fly in class B, C, and D airspace without additional endorsements. Being a private pilot he has already had the required training as part of his certification.


A sport pilot flying a LSA is limited when it come to landing in class B airspace, there are nine class B airspaces in the Unites States that prohibit LSA from landing at them. Fly over is possible but don't try to land.

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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby 3Dreaming » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:41 pm

RBearden56 wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:Yes he can fly in class B, C, and D airspace without additional endorsements. Being a private pilot he has already had the required training as part of his certification.


A sport pilot flying a LSA is limited when it come to landing in class B airspace, there are nine class B airspaces in the Unites States that prohibit LSA from landing at them. Fly over is possible but don't try to land.

Randall Bearden
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Yes, but a private pilot flying a LSA is not, even if they are operating under sport pilot privileges.

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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby Warmi » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:44 pm

RBearden56 wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:Yes he can fly in class B, C, and D airspace without additional endorsements. Being a private pilot he has already had the required training as part of his certification.


A sport pilot flying a LSA is limited when it come to landing in class B airspace, there are nine class B airspaces in the Unites States that prohibit LSA from landing at them. Fly over is possible but don't try to land.

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I shall live with this particular limitation ...
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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby drseti » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:45 pm

As a Commercial Pilot, I am certainly perfectly legal flying my LSA into one of the Big Twelve. (That does not necessarily mean I would want to!)
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Re: Private Pilot flying under Sport Pilot Privledges

Postby drseti » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:48 pm

RBearden56 wrote:
A sport pilot flying a LSA is limited when it come to landing in class B airspace, there are nine class B airspaces in the Unites States that prohibit LSA from landing at them.


More properly, that prohibit Sport Pilots from landing at them. And I thought it was a dozen airports in Class B, but I'm not going to quibble over that.
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