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FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:58 pm
by scottishflyer
225-TTAE, Fresh Conditional Inspection with Sale, Complete Logs, Hangared at N26 in NC, Upgraded VIKING Liquid Cooled, Fuel-Injected, 110-HP Engine Which Includes Flywheel Replacement, ECU (Processor) Software Update, Spider Drive for Gearbox, Idle Pulley for Alternator. Sensenich Ground Adjustable Composite Prop, Dynon SkyView EFIS Featuring GPS, 2-Axis Autopilot, Transponder & Engine Monitoring. Electric Trim, 406-ELT, Intercom, Garmin SL40 Com, Wheel Pants, LED Pulse Lights, Auto Gas or 100LL, Build Manuals (Included), Excellent Paint & Interior, 1320 lbs GW, 760 lbs EW, 20 Gallons Fuel. Asking $66,000 USD OBO. Call or Text Bob Crosby for more photos: 704-905-4931, bobcrosby764@gmail.com.

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:55 pm
by drseti
Given the choice of engine, I'm assuming the plane was built as an E-AB, not an ELSA? (It makes a big difference in terms of marketability.)

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:59 pm
by Wm.Ince
drseti wrote: . . . I'm assuming the plane was built as an E-AB, not an ELSA? (It makes a big difference in terms of marketability.)

How so?

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:07 pm
by drseti
To receive an airworthiness certificate as an ELSA, an aircraft must have been built exactly in accordance with the equivalent SLSA design and specification. Not so for an E-AB. Therefore, an ELSA RV-12 will throretically meet the same performance, safety, and reliability standards as an SLSA RV-12. The same cannot necessarily be said of the E-AB version. Since this particular aircraft has a different engine from the SLSA RV-12, it obviously doesn't meet the same standards, so it can't be an ELSA. That only leaves E-AB, which doesn't provide any assurances as to specs, performance, or reliability.

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:45 pm
by FastEddieB
drseti wrote:Therefore, an ELSA RV-12 will throretically meet the same performance, safety, and reliability standards as an SLSA RV-12.


I think that’s a bit misleading.

It’s true, but only for one bright, shining moment: that moment the DAR confirms that the plane meets SLSA standards and issues the new Experimental certificate.

After that moment, the owner of an E-LSA has the legal right to modify the plane in any way he or she sees fit, so long as it doesn’t remove it from the definition of an LSA. And once those modifications begin, there’s virtually no assurance that the plane will still have “the same performance, safety, and reliability standards” as it did before the conversion.

Of course, I know you know that, but I just wanted to make it clear.

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:30 pm
by drseti
FastEddieB wrote:once those modifications begin, there’s virtually no assurance that the plane will still have “the same performance, safety, and reliability standards” as it did before the conversion.


Of course that's true. But, if the plane was built with an entirely different engine, it can't even come close.

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:42 pm
by Warmi
I think the biggest marketability factor here is not the E-AB registration but the engine itself ...

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:13 pm
by scottishflyer
Asking price has been reduced to $59,900 and the owner is open to offers.

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:48 am
by Sling 2 Pilot
BEAUTIFUL Aircraft! Would have sold ten times over, had it had a ROTAX.

Re: FS: 2013 VANS RV-12

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:00 am
by MrMorden
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:once those modifications begin, there’s virtually no assurance that the plane will still have “the same performance, safety, and reliability standards” as it did before the conversion.


Of course that's true. But, if the plane was built with an entirely different engine, it can't even come close.


I wouldn't say that. Was the engine mount and FWF package a Van's option? If so, and the builder followed the instructions for that optional configuration, there's no reason it's any less safe or reliable than the Rotax-powered version built by the same builder. Of course, if the FWF was an aftermarket package, the safety and reliability is highly dependent on the quality of the engineering that went into them.

But anyway, you are also trusting the engineering department at Van's as much as the builder. They can make mistakes too as much as any aftermarket company, as seen by the tail AD and fuel tank revisions in the RV-12.