I picked up a cheap Garmin VIRB camera the other day, and put it in the 162 for a quick flight this afternoon.
The VIRB has an integrated GPS along with a barometric altimeter. The Garmin software allows you to overlay this data on your videos.
I'd tried a couple of multiple-cam setups so I can get the flight instruments in focus, but so far haven't been happy with that. Too much editing time and twice as much technology that can fail.
I still need to work a few things out - I accidentally had the camera set on a zoom mode, for one, so I think the resolution may be lower than the optimal wide angle. Plus I think I'd like the look of a wider angle in the cabin. I also didn't know to calibrate the camera when it was in its mount (thus the pitch/roll data is garbled). I also want to provide a better shock mount. I fabricated something which works....but it's not well-cushioned. I've used the BRS handle attach point, which is one of the few solid mount points in the 162. May also try a prop filter to reduce some of the jello effect.
Given that I didn't exactly have it 'right', I'm pretty impressed with the video quality as well as the overlay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZwNJX3wP8
I've got more work yet to get this setup dialed in, but I think this could be a really effective teaching/learning tool.
In the process of editing the video, I noticed that my patterns were...well...not perfect. The wind today was out of the NW...variable at the surface but around 15 knots at pattern altitude. You can see that I was getting blown off course and rounding the initial two corners of my pattern. Whoops!
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Very nice! Good, sharp image.
Liked the landings a lot - and that horn sounds awfully familiar.
I like the ability to have data on the screen - might come in handy on training and test flights. Beyond that, perhaps a little distracting for everyday use.
Happy enough with my GoPro for now, but competition certainly improves the breed!
Liked the landings a lot - and that horn sounds awfully familiar.
I like the ability to have data on the screen - might come in handy on training and test flights. Beyond that, perhaps a little distracting for everyday use.
Happy enough with my GoPro for now, but competition certainly improves the breed!
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The data overlay is very nice. I wish the sample rates on the accelerometer were lower, they just bounce around too much to give any information. a 5Hz sample rate would probably be plenty, it looks like it's more like 100Hz.
Image quality looks nice. I like the Garmin stuff and it integrates with Garmin Pilot, which I use on every flight. How is the battery life? My GoPro is terrible in that regard.
Image quality looks nice. I like the Garmin stuff and it integrates with Garmin Pilot, which I use on every flight. How is the battery life? My GoPro is terrible in that regard.
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Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
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This is the Virb Elite. Tried it again today with a slightly different mount setup and set on wide angle. Honestly I think prefer the closer crop. I ran it on a 40 minute flight this evening and the battery was still about 60% charged when I got back. That's better than the GoPro and nFlightCam I've used (both good for just over an hour per charge). We'll see what I can get out of the Virb when I do a longer XC next week.
Tower had me landing with a bit of a tailwind today... and a hefty dose of crosswind (12+ knots). Found out my stall horn wasn't working, too... though I appreciated the peace and quiet when dealing with the bumps and gusts. I had planned on three trips around their pattern but said 'screw that' after the first and went home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFiFpg1EAQQ
Tower had me landing with a bit of a tailwind today... and a hefty dose of crosswind (12+ knots). Found out my stall horn wasn't working, too... though I appreciated the peace and quiet when dealing with the bumps and gusts. I had planned on three trips around their pattern but said 'screw that' after the first and went home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFiFpg1EAQQ
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A while back I tried to fly three identical approaches at each GoPro field of view:chavycha wrote:This is the Virb Elite. Tried it again today with a slightly different mount setup and set on wide angle. Honestly I think prefer the closer crop.
http://youtu.be/HhycU4UV90k
I think the final, narrowest view most closely reflects the view from the cockpit. The wider angles always make the plane seem much lower/flatter on approach than it really is.
Downside is camera movement is more apparent.
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I have been using the Virb Elite as my cockpit camera for awhile now. Like it. Some samples are here: http://lsaeronaut.blogspot.com/2014_06_01_archive.html
I have experimented with different settings but keep coming back to "Ultra Zoom" as my standard set up.
I just updated to Virb Edit Version 3.0.1.0 and found the new G-Metrix overlays. I haven't played with the overlays yet but am hopeful they can provide additional feedback for students. I suspect these were designed to work with the camera models just out.
I have experimented with different settings but keep coming back to "Ultra Zoom" as my standard set up.
I just updated to Virb Edit Version 3.0.1.0 and found the new G-Metrix overlays. I haven't played with the overlays yet but am hopeful they can provide additional feedback for students. I suspect these were designed to work with the camera models just out.
Dave
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deltafox, nice clips! Looks like you edit outside of the Garmin software too, yeah? What's your usual workflow?
Yesterday I tried it on "Zoom 1"... I think this is my favorite setting so far. Still lets you see the control movements but doesn't distort the edges like the ultra-wide
angle.
On days with wind, the GPS speed can be a little misleading. I pitched for best glide nearly immediately, but had a 15-20 knot wind out of the N at pattern altitude. Thus my groundspeed was 90kts, whereas my airspeed was 70kts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhU5CcYjWR0
Yesterday I tried it on "Zoom 1"... I think this is my favorite setting so far. Still lets you see the control movements but doesn't distort the edges like the ultra-wide
angle.
On days with wind, the GPS speed can be a little misleading. I pitched for best glide nearly immediately, but had a 15-20 knot wind out of the N at pattern altitude. Thus my groundspeed was 90kts, whereas my airspeed was 70kts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhU5CcYjWR0
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I usually use two cameras, a black Virb on the wing and a white Virb Elite in the cockpit. I typically turn them on during preflight and turn them off during postflight. Post processing begins by synchronizing the GPS track to the video on the Elite. (I usually find I have airspeed before the takeoff roll.) I chose the overlay then export the cockpit view. I simply export the exterior view. Then I import both views into Camtasia. Next I sync those views, then edit the content. Finally insert transitions, titles, and music.
Reference: https://youtu.be/H3S2AgUm4QE
This is typically what I provide each client following his Discovery Flight.
Reference: https://youtu.be/H3S2AgUm4QE
This is typically what I provide each client following his Discovery Flight.
Dave
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I tried G-Metrix yesterday. Not too impressed. I think the data needs to be buffered.
http://lsaeronaut.blogspot.com/2015/06/ ... pdate.html
http://lsaeronaut.blogspot.com/2015/06/ ... pdate.html
Dave
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Thanks for the info on your workflow. I'm used to using Premiere for editing so the Garmin software seems awfully basic. I suppose I could do the overlays in Virb Edit, export the whole thing, and subsequently add titles, audio, transitions, etc in Premiere.
Re: GMetrix - I'm finding the same issues. I'm going to try smoothing the data and see if that makes it usable.
Re: GMetrix - I'm finding the same issues. I'm going to try smoothing the data and see if that makes it usable.
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Tested out my new VIRB XE last weekend. Awesome camera! Here's a shot taken on final into RYY.
To the other VIRB users on here - what video editing software do you use?
To the other VIRB users on here - what video editing software do you use?
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Looks familiar. We used to keep our Cherokee and Mooney there.