NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

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NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby ShawnM » Tue May 01, 2018 3:07 pm

This was shared on my SportCruiser forum but it can be useful to everyone in regards to traffic pattern entry at non towered or pilot controlled fields.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_90-66B.pdf

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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby ShawnM » Tue May 01, 2018 4:01 pm

Maybe this needs to be moved to the FARs category.........

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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby rcpilot » Wed May 02, 2018 1:51 pm

After reading this, looks like we're all doing things wrong at my home base. We pretty much all use plane make and color. My instructor use to say "red and white light sport" and I've since gone to "red and white experimental". Of course if we all used our call signs the guy at the unicom desk would stop periodically asking for them. :D

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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby MrMorden » Wed May 02, 2018 2:41 pm

rcpilot wrote:After reading this, looks like we're all doing things wrong at my home base. We pretty much all use plane make and color. My instructor use to say "red and white light sport" and I've since gone to "red and white experimental". Of course if we all used our call signs the guy at the unicom desk would stop periodically asking for them. :D


That must be a local difference, almost nobody does that around here, it's always make (or "experimental") and N-number. It wouldn't work here well anyway, where we have three flight schools regularly using the airport and all fly white Diamonds. "White Diamond? Which of the three in the pattern?!?" :lol:

I can see in a more rural area (we are fairly close to the ATL class B) that might work perfectly well. And even here it would "mostly" not be confusing.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby drseti » Wed May 02, 2018 4:48 pm

Remember that advisory circulars are just that (advisory, not regulatory). That said, I have to respectfully disagree with this one. Transmitting your registration number at an airport that lacks an ATC presence provides other pilots with no useful information whatever! Another plane in the pattern probably can't read your N number (nor should the pilot even try). You want them to identify you. "White low wing," "green high wing," "red light sport," "blue biplane," and "yellow cub" (aren''t they all yellow?) make it much easier for someone to know who they're following or looking for.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby TimTaylor » Wed May 02, 2018 4:50 pm

I agree Paul. I frequently call a plane that reported somewhere to ask his current location. There is no way I can or would remember his aircraft number. I think I could remember yellow cub.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby FastEddieB » Wed May 02, 2018 7:37 pm

drseti wrote:Remember that advisory circulars are just that (advisory, not regulatory). That said, I have to respectfully disagree with this one. Transmitting your registration number at an airport that lacks an ATC presence provides other pilots with [b]no useful information whatever!


Well...

1) Local pilots can discern who you are if they’re familiar with your plane.

2) It will let them know there are two [i]different white CT’s inbound, let’s say.

3) I thought the FCC required all radio transmissions include the identity of the transmitter. Not sure “yellow cub” meets that requirement.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby drseti » Wed May 02, 2018 7:50 pm

Eddie,
(3) is true if you are an FCC licensee. Since aircraft station licenses and operator permits haven't been required in the US since the Reagan administration, I doubt that's incumbent upon airmen (or enforceable).
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby MrMorden » Wed May 02, 2018 8:25 pm

Position is the most important information. Registration info is somewhat useful, because it’s unique. Color is kind of useless, IMO. You can’t see airplane colors unless you are VERY close and they are not unique.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby FastEddieB » Wed May 02, 2018 8:26 pm

drseti wrote:Eddie,
(3) is true if you are an FCC licensee. Since aircraft station licenses and operator permits haven't been required in the US since the Reagan administration, I doubt that's incumbent upon airmen (or enforceable).


Let me blame the Law of Primacy.

For newbies, back in the antediluvian era, dinosaurs needed Radio Station Licences and Restricted Radiotelephone Operator’s Permits to use the radios in their aircraft. The Radio Station License was, in fact, the second “R” in “ARROW”.

But I still thought the FCC frowned on transmissions without a station identifier. If that’s no longer the case, this old dog can reluctantly learn new tricks!

Edited to add: Look what I held onto!

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I think the post-deluvian dating is because the Bahamas required one - I don’t know if they still do.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby 3Dreaming » Wed May 02, 2018 10:40 pm

They do.

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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby foresterpoole » Fri May 04, 2018 5:48 pm

Interesting read, I was always told to announce aircraft type and registration, not color, but I can see where the color might assist in identification better. Another interesting point, I as always told cross midfield at pattern +500', this reads you should cross at pattern altitude. I'm not sure why, it was a pet peeve of the instructor...
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby TimTaylor » Fri May 04, 2018 8:24 pm

So you don't descend on top of another airplane in the traffic pattern at traffic pattern altitude.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby Warmi » Fri May 04, 2018 9:32 pm

I had 2 instructors ... one always preferred to cross at pattern altitude , his motivation being that at that height you can see everyone and everyone can see you.
The other instructor always followed FAA recommended style of +500 feet tear drop entry taking it a few miles past downwind.
I personall prefer the tear drop entry.
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Re: NEW - Non Towered Airport FAA Recommended Traffic Pattern Advisory 3/13/2018

Postby ShawnM » Fri May 04, 2018 10:48 pm

I think there is some confusion here........

You would fly TPA +500 when you are crossing over the field to observe what is going on below or if you are going to do the teardrop entry to the downwind.

If you are flying in from the NON pattern side and want to turn on to the downwind leg then you come over midfield at TPA and yield to any preferred 45 degree entry or downwind traffic.

That’s the way I read it.

I would never simply cross over an airport at pattern altitude for any reason.


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