Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate?
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:02 am
So if a private pilot requires a medical to exercise their privileges in a LSA, why shouldn't the same apply to a student pilot?
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Yes, an FAA 3rd class or Basic Med. He is exercising his Private Pilot privileges, not Sport Pilot privileges.3Dreaming wrote:A question for Paul and Tim, is a private pilot flying a LSA above 10,000 feet or at night required to have a medical?
Because the Student can be considered a "Sport Pilot student" until he says he is a "Private Pilot student."3Dreaming wrote:So if a private pilot requires a medical to exercise their privileges in a LSA, why shouldn't the same apply to a student pilot?
Have you looked at sub part C of the regulations. It says Student Pilot. A student pilot does not have a limitation to fly less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface like a sport pilot does. Student pilots are not limited to day only, they are allowed to fly at night with the appropriate training and endorsement. Student pilots do not having the limitations that are placed on sport pilots is the reason they are required to have a medical. Just like the provision in 61.23 that allows a student pilot seeking sport pilot privileges to fly using a drivers license, sub part C also has a provision for them to give up the standard student pilot limitations and accept the sport pilot limitations 61.89 (c). When they do this it also changes other aspects of the student pilot regulations. Sub part C is riddled with differences between your standard student pilot and those seeking sport pilot privileges.TimTaylor wrote:Because the Student can be considered a "Sport Pilot student" until he says he is a "Private Pilot student."3Dreaming wrote:So if a private pilot requires a medical to exercise their privileges in a LSA, why shouldn't the same apply to a student pilot?
You are right in that they don't have to declare, but they still have to follow the rules of the university.drseti wrote:I agree with Tim on that. If the student doesn't declare intent, he or she is like an undeclared major at a university, free to take any General Education courses. (In the flight world, SP training also fulfills the PP General Ed requirements.)
Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.3Dreaming wrote:You are right in that they don't have to declare, but they still have to follow the rules of the university.drseti wrote:I agree with Tim on that. If the student doesn't declare intent, he or she is like an undeclared major at a university, free to take any General Education courses. (In the flight world, SP training also fulfills the PP General Ed requirements.)
Unless you declare that you are seeking sport pilot privileges, then you would be operating under the whole of sub part C as it applies to student pilots. As an undeclared student pilot you would not have the limitation of flying less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface, or daytime only. You would have the requirement to hold a medical certificate or Basic Med.
Once you declare that you are a seeking sport pilot privileges you give up the standard student pilot privileges and limitations and accept sport pilot limitations. By accepting the sport pilot limitations you can now use your drivers license in place of a medical.
I'm not saying you must default to anything. I am saying that student pilots must follow the regulations that apply to a student pilots. Do you not agree with that?TimTaylor wrote: Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.
Yes. And until they are a student pilot going for Private, they need no medical.3Dreaming wrote:I'm not saying you must default to anything. I am saying that student pilots must follow the regulations that apply to a student pilots. Do you not agree with that?TimTaylor wrote: Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.
True. That would not mean the student has to fly high or at night, but it would be permitted.3Dreaming wrote: As an undeclared student pilot you would not have the limitation of flying less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface, or daytime only.
Only in order to solo; not required for dual instruction.You would have the requirement to hold a medical certificate or Basic Med.
Nothing changes in the student pilot regulations until you are seeking sport pilot privileges. Up until that time you are just a student pilot, and required to follow student pilot regulations.TimTaylor wrote:Yes. And until they are a student pilot going for Private, they need no medical.3Dreaming wrote:I'm not saying you must default to anything. I am saying that student pilots must follow the regulations that apply to a student pilots. Do you not agree with that?TimTaylor wrote: Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.