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Re: Flight review

Postby Warmi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:13 pm

Speaking of avionics ... how much do you guys think a 2012 Garmin SL 30 ( nav/com) would be worth on eBay ( or how much you would be willing to pay for it if you were on the market for a nav/com unit :D )

I have seen all sorts wildly different numbers and I am thinking of replacing it with Garmin GTR 200 since I don’t use the nav part at all and the 200 display is just a bit easier to read and has a few more com related features ...
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Re: Flight review

Postby TimTaylor » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:34 pm

I have no idea, but I might put it on eBay with reserve of $1,000 and buy-it-now of $1,900. Just a guess on my part. It sort of depends on how badly you really want to sell it and how quickly.
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Re: Flight review

Postby TimTaylor » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:38 pm

foresterpoole wrote:Well at least from a checkride standpoint you need to know how to use everything in the aircraft, so in Paul's case, if it's in there, the student needs to know how to use it. It's not a bad skill to have in your pocket, but at least for us low and slow folks who fly on nice vfr days in locations we are familiar with it might be somewhat redundant.

If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.
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Re: Flight review

Postby drseti » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:43 pm

TimTaylor wrote:If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.


I concur. In a checkride, I cannot test for anything that's not included in the PTS. I see no reason why a flight review should be any more rigorous than a checkride!
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Re: Flight review

Postby Scooper » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:01 pm

FWIW, AOPA Air Safety Institute recently introduced an online "Focused Flight Review" with a number of topics covered. I haven't used it yet, but bookmarked it for future reference.

https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/air-safety-institute/flight-review
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Re: Flight review

Postby rcpilot » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:52 am

TimTaylor wrote:
drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I didn't see any mention of the 1 hour of required ground training.


All CFIs should know about it. Spelled out in FAR 61.56(a).

Yes, or course they do. I'm sure the OP had a proper flight review even though he didn't choose to list out ever detail for our approval. Geez.


Yes I did skip to the more fun part. We talked about weather, emergencies procedures, navigation, etc. Since he hadn't flown in my plane for a while, he also quizzed me on my maintenance procedures.

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Re: Flight review

Postby foresterpoole » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:23 pm

TimTaylor wrote:
foresterpoole wrote:Well at least from a checkride standpoint you need to know how to use everything in the aircraft, so in Paul's case, if it's in there, the student needs to know how to use it. It's not a bad skill to have in your pocket, but at least for us low and slow folks who fly on nice vfr days in locations we are familiar with it might be somewhat redundant.

If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.

drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.


I concur. In a checkride, I cannot test for anything that's not included in the PTS. I see no reason why a flight review should be any more rigorous than a checkride!


I was referring to the checkride, maybe my DPE and flight instructors (performing check outs) are hard@sses, but if it is in the plane and you are PIC, they require you demonstrate knowledge of the system, obvious exceptions would be inop instruments such as DME's.
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Re: Flight review

Postby drseti » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:45 pm

My latest DPE training was in OKC in February. They emphasized that I cannot examine on anything beyond the PTS. Since the SP PTS does not include VOR use, I can't test Sport Pilot applicants on it -- period! (Private Pilot applicants are another matter.)
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Re: Flight review

Postby ShawnM » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:48 am

What’s a VOR? :mrgreen:

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Re: Flight review

Postby rideandfly » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:54 am

Agree, "What's an ADF?"

Since buying the Vag, I'm back to flying IFR again, (I Follow Roads)! 8)

Used to teach spin entry & recovery (3 to 5 turns) during flight reviews, visual and under the hood for those that wanted it!
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Re: Flight review

Postby ShawnM » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:57 am

Agree, what's a DME?

GPS is putting these dinosaur aged technologies out to pasture thankfully. :mrgreen:

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Re: Flight review

Postby rideandfly » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:02 am

It was fun shooting IFR approaches with the Garmin 430 when they first came out. Much improved situational awareness with glass compared to steam gauges!
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Re: Flight review

Postby Jim Hardin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:22 am

ShawnM wrote:Agree, what's a DME?


2 nickles?

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Re: Flight review

Postby CharlieTango » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:27 pm

DME = Distance Measuring Equipment, a feature of most VORs

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Re: Flight review

Postby ShawnM » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:50 pm

CharlieTango wrote:DME = Distance Measuring Equipment, a feature of most VORs


Thanks Charlie Tango but it was a rhetorical question, just like "what's an ADF?" :mrgreen:

My point was it's old technology that's being replaced.


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