Spin Training.

[FastEddieB]

Pretty sure I didn't just make up the 3 turns in both directions mandate.

Maybe it changed somewhere along the line?

And the FAA recommended endorsement also excludes that requirement:

46. Spin training: section 61.183(i)(1).
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training of section 61.183(i). I have determined that he/she is competent in instructional skills for training stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures.
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05

I'm going to the hangar later and I'll check my endorsement from the late 1970's.

[CharlieTango]

Interesting interpretation!

I always read, ... as to imply ... but one could parse the words to imply ...

That's funny Eddie, you are comparing your inference to me reading the words and making me sound Clintonian. I didn't have to read in order to infer I only had to read.

I don't think we should look for implication but simply look for the meaning of the FAR as written.

[CharlieTango]

Interesting interpretation!...If there's nothing more current than that, I'll gladly yield to that interpretation.

http://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/ ... aining.pdf

This link is to a FAA doc on guidlines for all attitude training and it admits that parachutes are not required for spin training. Here the context is proficiency training and not training for a rating.

[drseti]

I wouldn't take that as a legal interpretation, since it says right at the top:

The following is intended as a general guide only. The layout is similar to that of an Advisory Circular

I would think the FAA Legal letter of interpretation would be more valuable. From what's been said here, I do believe spin training can be done without parachutes.

That said, personally I'd still want to be wearing a chute...

[FastEddieB]

That's funny Eddie, you are comparing your inference to me reading the words and making me sound Clintonian.

Well, it all depends on what the meaning of "any" is!

I think its funny that few presidents get an "-ian" added to their names, and we know instinctively what is meant - Jeffersonian, Nixonian, Clintonian.

A hundred years from now I predict that that will be Clinton's legacy!

[FastEddieB]

OK, I knew I wasn't crazy...

Here's a pair of endorsements I got for my CFI rating:



Note they both specify both directions, and specify "3", with the second making it clearer that it was three "turns".

I KNOW that used to be required - it obviously changed for some reason.

[drseti]

OK, I knew I wasn't crazy...

Well, Eddie, I wouldn't go that far.

I KNOW that used to be required .

Yes, that was my recollection too (but I'm not saying it makes me any less crazy...)

[FastEddieB]

OK, I knew I wasn't crazy...

Well, Eddie, I wouldn't go that far.

I knew, in my heart of hearts, I should have qualified my declaration.

But what are friends for?

[drseti]

Not to be outdone by Eddie, here's my (rather cursory) spin endorsement from January 1982:



Sure enough, three turns to the left, three to the right. There must have been some sort of requirement back then...

[jnmeade]

If I remember correctly, three turns is part of the definition of a "fully developed spin" and less than that is still part of an incipient spin. It has to do with the airplane characteristics but I'd need to look it up to be sure of just what. I do recall that the Cessna Aerobat would go through an oscillation phase in the spin where it would tighten up and then relax and so on. I think Kirschner wrote about that.

[jnmeade]

Jim,

For some, like me upset training might be more important than spin training.

CT, should you go for upset training or go right on to anger management?

Hey, Charlie Tango, I thought that was funny as hell. Either it slipped by you or you disagreed?

[drseti]

Actually, the guy most in need of anger management training is a completely different CT owner, who's no longer active on the forums.

[jnmeade]

I was giving Charlie some good-nature ribbing because he is passionate about some subjects (but he's never displayed an ire to any of us that I know of.)

[CharlieTango]

Jim,

For some, like me upset training might be more important than spin training.

CT, should you go for upset training or go right on to anger management?

Hey, Charlie Tango, I thought that was funny as hell. Either it slipped by you or you disagreed?

Not bad, I was too busy sleeping to see it real time.

[ct4me]

I need Spin Zone training...
tim