3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Talk about airplanes! At last count, there are 39 (and growing) FAA certificated S-LSA (special light sport aircraft). These are factory-built ready to fly airplanes. If you can't afford a factory-built LSA, consider buying an E-LSA kit (experimental LSA - up to 99% complete).

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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby TimTaylor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:06 pm

I get really tired of people railing against the FAA. If you're fortunate enough to own and fly your own airplane, why not enjoy your blessings? Many people out there can't even afford food. Why should taxpayers pay to give you a rebate? If you can't afford to maintain your airplane, sell it. It just seems that the more some people have, the more they want. I guess that's OK, but don't expect someone else to pay for it.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby TimTaylor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:26 pm

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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby FastEddieB » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:50 am

TimTaylor wrote:https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/29210/what-is-the-procedure-to-turn-a-certified-aircraft-into-an-experimental-aircraft


Nice, comprehensive link that expands on what I was trying to say. Thanks.

I feel very fortunate that the FAA carved out an exception for Special Light Sport that does make the conversion to Experimental Light Sport straightforward, and barely restricts usage at all, the most important being it can’t be used for rental or flight instruction. Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby drseti » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 am

FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.


Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby FastEddieB » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:36 am

drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.


Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.


A fine but fair point. Thanks.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby 3Dreaming » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:47 am

FastEddieB wrote:
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.


Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.


A fine but fair point. Thanks.


I think I just saw something in the news about the FAA changing their stance on this. Some ELSA will be allowed to do flight training for hire.

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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby Wm.Ince » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:28 am

drseti wrote:My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.

That’s an excellent point.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby drseti » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:50 am

3Dreaming wrote:I think I just saw something in the news about the FAA changing their stance on this. Some ELSA will be allowed to do flight training for hire.


The FAA has long issued Letters of Deviation Authority in special cases. This is necessary, for example, to provide gyroplane instruction, since there are no SLSA gyros.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby smutny » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:58 am

drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.


But a CFI can give flight instruction to a client that owns an experimental plane and charge for services.
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Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ?

Postby FastEddieB » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:03 am

smutny wrote:
But a CFI can give flight instruction to a client that owns an experimental plane and charge for services.


Yes. I meant to imply that in the way I phrased my post.
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