AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

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Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

Postby dstclair » Wed May 16, 2018 10:00 pm

Agree. I've purchased 3 planes and never paid for a test flight for any plane during my searches. I'd likely cross a dealer off my list if they charged a bona fide prospective customer a demo fee.
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Postby ShawnM » Thu May 17, 2018 6:58 am

Let me claifify, the prices I posted are for “discovery flights” not demo flights. There are flight schools everywhere here and they have a wide range of aircraft for you to fly from well equipped LSA to Cirrus for single engine.

I agree with others that if I’m a potential buyer and I’m serious I shouldn’t have to pay for a demo flight in your aircraft but we all know there are many tire kickers out there.

I know you can get free “demo” flights at the larger shows if you book in advance.

Another example, Icon has a sales and training facility here in Tampa and they charge $595 for a “demo” flight but it’s 2 hours.

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Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

Postby Warmi » Thu May 17, 2018 8:49 am

When I was looking for a plane , for certain planes it was much easier to go for a discovery flight/lesson in some local flight school rather than traveling hundreds/thousands of miles to a dealer.
I wouldn’t buy a plane based on that single flight but at least it gave me some idea on whether to even bother with that particular model.
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Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

Postby ShawnM » Thu May 17, 2018 8:56 am

Warmi wrote:When I was looking for a plane , for certain planes it was much easier to go for a discovery flight/lesson in some local flight school rather than traveling hundreds/thousands of miles to a dealer.
I wouldn’t buy a plane based on that single flight but at least it gave me some idea on whether to even bother with that particular model.


Same here, I got lucky and the importer for the SportCruiser was "touring" Florida with a demo plane offering flights. I lived in Orlando at the time and they came to Kissimmee so it was in my backyard and I traveled about 30 minutes for a demo flight.

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Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

Postby Type47 » Thu May 17, 2018 9:05 am

If they are charging for demo flights, I have to give them credit for trying to keep the price of the plane low.
I have watched as other manufacturers promote their pending design for years.
All the while they are adding the costs of trade shows, sales people, demo flights, fake grass, pretty girls, hot cars, etc. to the eventual cost of each aircraft.
These manufacturers have to stop paying to market to 10,000 customers to sell only 30 airplanes because the price became too high.
This company at least seems to be running it like a real business.
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Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

Postby drseti » Thu May 17, 2018 9:21 am

When discussing demo flights, we should distinguish between new and used aircraft, and between private sellers and dealers.

A decade ago, when I was trying to sell my Beechcraft, there were a lot of tire kickers who just wanted to get free instruction or flying time. It became pretty obvious that none could afford my plane. The prospects were mostly low-time pilots who had never flown a high-performance aircraft. I started to suspect they were all looking for a free complex checkout when they started asking for me to log dual for them!

I ended up asking a couple of hundred for a thorough checkout in the plane, which would be credited toward the purchase price. Nobody was willing to invest that much - so I ended up trading in Son-of-a-Beech to a dealer on an LSA purchase. :(
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Postby Wm.Ince » Thu May 17, 2018 10:37 am

drseti wrote:. . . I ended up trading in Son-of-a-Beech to a dealer on an LSA purchase. :(

In a nutshell, how would you size up your experience, owning and flying the Beech?
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Postby drseti » Thu May 17, 2018 12:35 pm

It was a wonderful 30-year experience, Bill. That plane took me coast to coast and border to border more times than I can count. Great quality, very roomy and comfortable, stable IFR platform, easy to work on, good performance, and a pleasure to fly. Though the model was eventually orphaned, the Beech Aero Club always led me to a good source for parts. But toward the end I was generally flying it solo, and all those extra empty seats got expensive.

When I jumped into LSA, it was a completely different world, but suited my new mission perfectly (at a small fraction of the cost). Just as the Beech was well suited to a young industrialist traveling for business, LSA is perfect for a retiree!
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Postby Scooper » Thu May 17, 2018 1:13 pm

drseti wrote:When I jumped into LSA, it was a completely different world, but suited my new mission perfectly (at a small fraction of the cost). Just as the Beech was well suited to a young industrialist traveling for business, LSA is perfect for a retiree!

Well said, Paul!
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Postby Wm.Ince » Thu May 17, 2018 1:16 pm

drseti wrote:It was a wonderful 30-year experience, Bill. That plane took me coast to coast and border to border more times than I can count. Great quality, very roomy and comfortable, stable IFR platform, easy to work on, good performance, and a pleasure to fly. Though the model was eventually orphaned, the Beech Aero Club always led me to a good source for parts. But toward the end I was generally flying it solo, and all those extra empty seats got expensive.
When I jumped into LSA, it was a completely different world, but suited my new mission perfectly (at a small fraction of the cost). Just as the Beech was well suited to a young industrialist traveling for business, LSA is perfect for a retiree!

Great answer, Dr. Shuch.
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Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article

Postby c162pilot » Fri May 18, 2018 8:13 am

I have been invited to test fit the Vashon Ranger the next time I am in the Pacific North West by Amy their head of Marketing. There was no discussion of a required $200 charge. Perhaps because they know that I live in the North East and if I travel to Paine Field in Everett to see and test fly the aircraft that I am serious and not a tire kicker. BTW, I have already visited with Glasair three times over the last several to see the Merlin and each time there was an excuse why the plane was unable to be flown. I fear that the Merlin is now officially DOA.


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