Quite an attraction at Sun 'n Fun!
http://light-sport-hangar-flyin.blogspo ... -wows.html
http://www.fk-lightplanes.com/html/come ... _ltd_.html
Thoughts?
It's not 300hp or an Extra, but it looks exciting!
How much Acro fun is possible in a LSA?
FK12 Acro LSA!!
Moderator: drseti
FK12 Acro LSA!!
- Richard
Sport Pilot / Ground Instructor
Previous Owner: 2011 SportCruiser
Sport Pilot / Ground Instructor
Previous Owner: 2011 SportCruiser
Beautiful graphics on the special edition:
http://fk12comet.blogspot.com/2011/01/c ... pdate.html
Just turning on the smoke looks like fun!
http://fk12comet.blogspot.com/2011/01/c ... pdate.html
Just turning on the smoke looks like fun!
designrs, Thanks for the comments! The Fk12 is a blast to fly. Very responsive. The controls are well harmonized and very "solid" feeling, no slop. You move the controls and the airplane responds immediately in direct proportion to control deflection/pressure. Ful deflection aileron input from a static 60 degree bank to opposite 60 degree bank measured 1.04 seconds. That's 120 degrees in one second including acceleration and deceleration time. We expect the time for a full 360 degree roll to be about 2 seconds or about 180 degreesper second. Alas, we can't test that until we get the new Lycoming engine for it. Aerobatics with the Rotax are strictly verboten, at least as an SLSA. I can't wait to really wring it out!
Before the trolls start grumbling, yes I sell FK products. But I defy anyone to go for a ride in a Comet and not get out with a ear to ear grin!
Before the trolls start grumbling, yes I sell FK products. But I defy anyone to go for a ride in a Comet and not get out with a ear to ear grin!
Mike is chief hangar sweeper at Hansen Air Group, dealers for Sky Arrow, FK, and Peregrine LSAs.
Yes. There is nothing in the FARs, FAA order 8130, or ASTM standards that prohibit aerobatics in an SLSA. (At least that that we have been able to find after many years of research)The manufacturer determines the approved maneuvers for LSA aircraft. FK is doing the analysis, and testing according to FAA part 23 aerobatic specifications.
As long as Lycoming approves acro and Fk approves acro, theres nothing that prevents a pilot from putting the Comet through a respectable routine However, proper training is highly recommended for any pilot before doing aerobatics,
Lycoming says we will eventually get the O-233 with fuel injection(IO-233, and inverted oil. We may even be able to get a little more than the spec 115 Horse Power.
The FK factory says the airframe will be okay for a minimum of +6 / -3 Gs. Structural analysis and testing point towards actual safe G loading of closer to +10 / -6 if they take the max gross weight up to the full 1320 lbs. Based on the data that we have, the max gross weight will be determined by the 45 knot clean stall speed, not the structural strength.
Empty weight of our Comet as a "two holer" with the Rotax engine, Warp Drive prop, ELT, Comm and transponder is a little shy of 640 lbs. The optional "Double Bubble" is about 15 pounds heavier. You wouldn't do acro with the bubble since it has no "Qiuck Release" at this time. The good news is that it only takes about five minutes to convert from one to the other
Did I mention the wings fold for storage and trailering?
As long as Lycoming approves acro and Fk approves acro, theres nothing that prevents a pilot from putting the Comet through a respectable routine However, proper training is highly recommended for any pilot before doing aerobatics,
Lycoming says we will eventually get the O-233 with fuel injection(IO-233, and inverted oil. We may even be able to get a little more than the spec 115 Horse Power.
The FK factory says the airframe will be okay for a minimum of +6 / -3 Gs. Structural analysis and testing point towards actual safe G loading of closer to +10 / -6 if they take the max gross weight up to the full 1320 lbs. Based on the data that we have, the max gross weight will be determined by the 45 knot clean stall speed, not the structural strength.
Empty weight of our Comet as a "two holer" with the Rotax engine, Warp Drive prop, ELT, Comm and transponder is a little shy of 640 lbs. The optional "Double Bubble" is about 15 pounds heavier. You wouldn't do acro with the bubble since it has no "Qiuck Release" at this time. The good news is that it only takes about five minutes to convert from one to the other
Did I mention the wings fold for storage and trailering?
Mike is chief hangar sweeper at Hansen Air Group, dealers for Sky Arrow, FK, and Peregrine LSAs.
Ham,
Estimated cost for the Lycoming version will be about $5000 more than a Rotax powered version. We don't have a final cost for our version of the engine yet. About, $125K for a day/vfr any airspace aircraft. Glass, lights, two tone paint, leather seats, long range tanks etc. will of course be more.
Estimated cost for the Lycoming version will be about $5000 more than a Rotax powered version. We don't have a final cost for our version of the engine yet. About, $125K for a day/vfr any airspace aircraft. Glass, lights, two tone paint, leather seats, long range tanks etc. will of course be more.
Mike is chief hangar sweeper at Hansen Air Group, dealers for Sky Arrow, FK, and Peregrine LSAs.
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Re: FK12 Acro LSA!!
A colleague and I are contemplating buying a pair of Comets to offer a "dogfighting experience" as well as Sport Pilot, aerobatic, and formation training.
Here's a link to a French company doing the dogfighting experience in Bordeaux, France (albeit in Rotax-powered FK-12s): http://www.les-ailes-de-pegase.com/index.html
And here's their latest video: http://vimeo.com/50472098?action=share
Of additional interest is a potential S-LSA Pitts Special!
Here's a link to a French company doing the dogfighting experience in Bordeaux, France (albeit in Rotax-powered FK-12s): http://www.les-ailes-de-pegase.com/index.html
And here's their latest video: http://vimeo.com/50472098?action=share
Of additional interest is a potential S-LSA Pitts Special!
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Re: FK12 Acro LSA!!
Well, welcome back to the forum, Ham. Sounds like you are still interested in developing a niche business of some kind within the SP/LSA industry. Back in the USA now? Still serving? Bring us up to date, including where you are thinking of basing your eventual enterprise.
Jack
Flying in/out KBZN, Bozeman MT in a Grumman Tiger
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Flying in/out KBZN, Bozeman MT in a Grumman Tiger
Do you fly for recreational purposes? Please visit http://www.theraf.org
Re: FK12 Acro LSA!!
Hi Jack
I'm still working for Lockheed-Martin in Abu Dhabi, UAE. I'm hoping to stay here a few years longer before semi-retiring (location to be determined, but San Antonio, Tucson, and Phoenix are on the shortlist).
Thanks for the welcome back!
I'm still working for Lockheed-Martin in Abu Dhabi, UAE. I'm hoping to stay here a few years longer before semi-retiring (location to be determined, but San Antonio, Tucson, and Phoenix are on the shortlist).
Thanks for the welcome back!