light sport IFR

[MrMorden]

"We" is the pilot community. We all understand (or should) than class E is controlled airspace. But we (meaning many pilots of all certification levels from student to ATP) also use term "controlled" to mean airspace where ATC direction is mandatory.

I don't disagree that we should use proper terminology, which is why I suggested we should apply a different term to mean airspace where ATC interaction is required. You didn't play along...so I guess we have to keep misusing the term and annoying you.

Andy, ATC direction is only required for class A and B airspace. You can operate in class C and D airspace without direction from ATC, all you need is established 2 way radio communication.
A better way to think about controlled airspace is the airspace that ATC can provide separation for IFR traffic. After all that is what the controlled airspace is for.

I used variously "direction" and "interaction". You must talk to ATC at least once in A,B,C,D airspace.

Trust me guys, I know what controlled airspace means. I just suggested that if MO wanted to avoid confusion, we should come up with a term for those airspace types since many pilots use "controlled airspace" to mean "talking to ATC".

[BrianL99]

You're not annoying me, but maybe confusing some people. Maybe it's just a Sport Pilot misconception because the pilot community I know of tries to get it right. Not trying to start a fight.

You should head over to the AOPA forums and pilotsofamerica.com, there are plenty of pilots of all certification levels you can impart your wisdom to, because they are misusing the term.

I've never had anybody insult me for agreeing with them before.

Some folks just can't help being tools and pretending they're smarter than everyone else. Dunning-Kruger effect is all over the Internet.

[MovingOn]

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[MovingOn]

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[3Dreaming]

"We" is the pilot community. We all understand (or should) than class E is controlled airspace. But we (meaning many pilots of all certification levels from student to ATP) also use term "controlled" to mean airspace where ATC direction is mandatory.

I don't disagree that we should use proper terminology, which is why I suggested we should apply a different term to mean airspace where ATC interaction is required. You didn't play along...so I guess we have to keep misusing the term and annoying you.

Andy, ATC direction is only required for class A and B airspace. You can operate in class C and D airspace without direction from ATC, all you need is established 2 way radio communication.
A better way to think about controlled airspace is the airspace that ATC can provide separation for IFR traffic. After all that is what the controlled airspace is for.

I used variously "direction" and "interaction". You must talk to ATC at least once in A,B,C,D airspace.

Trust me guys, I know what controlled airspace means. I just suggested that if MO wanted to avoid confusion, we should come up with a term for those airspace types since many pilots use "controlled airspace" to mean "talking to ATC".

Andy, as much as I hate it I'll have to say that I agree with MovingOn. I teach it to my students the way that he describes it.
Maybe a better choice would be ATC controlled airspace.

[MovingOn]

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[3Dreaming]

We probably agree on a lot of things, except politics.

I do my best to try and not make things political.

[MrMorden]

Andy, as much as I hate it I'll have to say that I agree with MovingOn. I teach it to my students the way that he describes it.
Maybe a better choice would be ATC controlled airspace.

Did ya'll not read my posts at all? I proposed several alternatives to the misuse of "controlled airspace" because as MO pointed out, it's a misuse to use it as a lot of people do, WHICH I AGREED WITH. How that became "MrMorden has no idea what controlled airspace is and it must be a 'Sport Pilot misconception' " I have no idea.

[drseti]

OK, boys and girls, enough already!

[MovingOn]

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[MrMorden]

OK, boys and girls, enough already!

Sorry, it's frustrating when I suggest calling those spaces "ATC Airspace" and several posts later somebody tells me I'm misusing the term and maybe we should use "ATC Controlled Airspace."

[drseti]

Yes, Andy, and it's equally frustrating when I say "enough already" and you two keep on posting...

[MovingOn]

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[3Dreaming]

Andy, as much as I hate it I'll have to say that I agree with MovingOn. I teach it to my students the way that he describes it.
Maybe a better choice would be ATC controlled airspace.

Did ya'll not read my posts at all? I proposed several alternatives to the misuse of "controlled airspace" because as MO pointed out, it's a misuse to use it as a lot of people do, WHICH I AGREED WITH. How that became "MrMorden has no idea what controlled airspace is and it must be a 'Sport Pilot misconception' " I have no idea.

Andy, I'm sorry. I took your post regarding people on AOPA and Pilots of America forum the wrong way. I was not trying to single you out or chastise you in any way. Looking back I do see you suggested some descriptions for the airspace. I would like to point out one thing though. The airspace inside the mode C veil can be any class of airspace including class G.

[MrMorden]

Andy, as much as I hate it I'll have to say that I agree with MovingOn. I teach it to my students the way that he describes it.
Maybe a better choice would be ATC controlled airspace.

Did ya'll not read my posts at all? I proposed several alternatives to the misuse of "controlled airspace" because as MO pointed out, it's a misuse to use it as a lot of people do, WHICH I AGREED WITH. How that became "MrMorden has no idea what controlled airspace is and it must be a 'Sport Pilot misconception' " I have no idea.

Andy, I'm sorry. I took your post regarding people on AOPA and Pilots of America forum the wrong way. I was not trying to single you out or chastise you in any way. Looking back I do see you suggested some descriptions for the airspace. I would like to point out one thing though. The airspace inside the mode C veil can be any class of airspace including class G.

True, and thanks.