Sport Pilot Talk

"IMSAFE is NOT the same as an AME exam. "

Who said it is? Actually…..only YOU imply that it is!

IMSAFE is NOT a self-medical exam.

If you'd bother to read CFR 61.53 and CFT 61.23 then you'd see it clearly explained so that you could finally understand.

IMSAFE is SIMPLY a way for a pilot to say to himself…am I safe and able to conduct this flight safely? It's just that and NOT all the things you're reading into it and applying your agenda. Thinking it is doesn't make it so. Posting that it is does a disservice to new and low-time pilots.

3Dreaming wrote:I know a AME who when it come to the time that passing a medical is in doubt will suggest flying as a sport pilot. He will tell you that passing a medical doesn't mean you are healthy, it just means you meet the FAA standards. By the same token if you don't meet the FAA standards it doesn't mean you are too un-healthy to fly. His first and foremost concern is the health of the applicant.

I hate to tell you this but that is the old way, the feds got tired of that practice, the new way is you apply for the physical online on:

https://medxpress.faa.gov/medxpress/

there are NO EXCEPTIONS no apply = no exam

there is nothing the AME can do to "Fudge" this, he cant say you weren't there etc

its either pass or fail at that point, the option to let it expire is gone once you apply online

if you fail to get a physical by your expiration date medExpress will file a Deferral on your expiration date, 90 days later it will turn into a Denial automatically

azsportpilot wrote:
its either pass or fail at that point, the option to let it expire is gone once you apply online

if you fail to get a physical by your expiration date medExpress will file a Deferral on your expiration date, 90 days later it will turn into a Denial automatically

Are you sure that's true?

The FAA says if you don't use in 60 days, it's deleted.

azsportpilot wrote:

3Dreaming wrote:I know a AME who when it come to the time that passing a medical is in doubt will suggest flying as a sport pilot. He will tell you that passing a medical doesn't mean you are healthy, it just means you meet the FAA standards. By the same token if you don't meet the FAA standards it doesn't mean you are too un-healthy to fly. His first and foremost concern is the health of the applicant.

I hate to tell you this but that is the old way, the feds got tired of that practice, the new way is you apply for the physical online on:

https://medxpress.faa.gov/medxpress/

there are NO EXCEPTIONS no apply = no exam

there is nothing the AME can do to "Fudge" this, he cant say you weren't there etc

its either pass or fail at that point, the option to let it expire is gone once you apply online

if you fail to get a physical by your expiration date medExpress will file a Deferral on your expiration date, 90 days later it will turn into a Denial automatically

The AME I spoke to was refering to the MedExpress application system. He was told this when he was in training in OKC. Maybe the way they were doing it has changed. All I know is what he told me, and what he said is the application doesn't become an application until he accesses it with your access code.

3Dreaming wrote:

azsportpilot wrote:

3Dreaming wrote:I know a AME who when it come to the time that passing a medical is in doubt will suggest flying as a sport pilot. He will tell you that passing a medical doesn't mean you are healthy, it just means you meet the FAA standards. By the same token if you don't meet the FAA standards it doesn't mean you are too un-healthy to fly. His first and foremost concern is the health of the applicant.

I hate to tell you this but that is the old way, the feds got tired of that practice, the new way is you apply for the physical online on:

https://medxpress.faa.gov/medxpress/

there are NO EXCEPTIONS no apply = no exam

there is nothing the AME can do to "Fudge" this, he cant say you weren't there etc

its either pass or fail at that point, the option to let it expire is gone once you apply online

if you fail to get a physical by your expiration date medExpress will file a Deferral on your expiration date, 90 days later it will turn into a Denial automatically

The AME I spoke to was refering to the MedExpress application system. He was told this when he was in training in OKC. Maybe the way they were doing it has changed. All I know is what he told me, and what he said is the application doesn't become an application until he accesses it with your access code.

I think that's accurate. If you fill out the application online, once you give the "code" to an AME, it then becomes active. Up until that time, it's not active and is deleted after 60 days. (At least that's my understanding of the system.)

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This is from a FAA Medexpress document for pilots.

PERMANENT RECORD
When your AME imports your application using your confirmation number and saves it in the FAA’s medical certification system, the application is considered a permanent record.

Here is the link to the document. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilot ... xpress.pdf

To me this says an application is not a application until it is accessed by your AME. This is why they recommend that you print your application before you hit submit, so the AME can review it without having to access it making it official.

3Dreaming wrote:This is from a FAA Medexpress document for pilots.

PERMANENT RECORD
When your AME imports your application using your confirmation number and saves it in the FAA’s medical certification system, the application is considered a permanent record.

Here is the link to the document. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilot ... xpress.pdf

To me this says an application is not a application until it is accessed by your AME. This is why they recommend that you print your application before you hit submit, so the AME can review it without having to access it making it official.

When I went for my 3rd class medical exam, the AME emailed asking me to print and bring my online application. Once there, he "suggested" we treat this exam as a pre-screen, to perhaps avoid any FAA entanglements. Dumb me, I didn't listen, I failed. Proceeded to jump through FAA hoops to get my problems corrected through a very cooperative eye doctor. Finally got the medical and student pilot permit months later.

HAPPYDAN wrote:

3Dreaming wrote:This is from a FAA Medexpress document for pilots.

PERMANENT RECORD
When your AME imports your application using your confirmation number and saves it in the FAA’s medical certification system, the application is considered a permanent record.

Here is the link to the document. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilot ... xpress.pdf

To me this says an application is not a application until it is accessed by your AME. This is why they recommend that you print your application before you hit submit, so the AME can review it without having to access it making it official.

When I went for my 3rd class medical exam, the AME emailed asking me to print and bring my online application. Once there, he "suggested" we treat this exam as a pre-screen, to perhaps avoid any FAA entanglements. Dumb me, I didn't listen, I failed. Proceeded to jump through FAA hoops to get my problems corrected through a very cooperative eye doctor. Finally got the medical and student pilot permit months later.

So, you didn't bring a copy of your application forcing the AME to open your application online making it official?

Reference: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... th-records

In a separate but seemingly related effort, the FAA is conducting a market survey for a major update to its aeromedical technology infrastructure called the Aerospace Medicine Safety Information System (Amsis).....One way that Amsis will perform this tracking is to tap various sources of data to help the AAM make better decisions about the medical qualification of pilots. Or as the FAA explained, “Amsis will provide better data accessibility and a greater ability to analyze medical information and denial data to identify safety trends that could impact system safety.”

...So how is that 3rd Class Medical proposal doing?

almost 19,000 people have signed the letter and contacted their representatives in congress (automatically, just a few clicks)

while that represents 10-15 % of the EAA membership and just 5% of the licensed pilots, its still a large group.... keep in mind many in congress are pilots

really is just a few clicks, enter your zip code etc. takes about 20 seconds… then letter is sent automatically for you

If you are for sport aviation then practice what you preach

Please take 20 seconds right now and do it

http://govt.eaa.org/

Fly Safe

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