Pipistrel Panthera Spin Test

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MrMorden wrote:Because maybe...head trauma is far more likely than hypothermia or road rash in a plane crash?
This is probably the most reasonable answer for most sports from skiing, to motorcycling, to cycling, to light/general aviation. You only get one brain and it doesn't care how dorky you look when it keeps you from dying or being a locked-in veggie. Back in fire/EMS days I saw plenty of organ doners that probably would have lived with a helmet, also plenty of survivors very broken and road rash but alive though the helmet was destroyed. I would wear my old flight medic helmet myself but being new and a foreigner, social pressure prevents me, for now, from using a known lifesaving device. Once I have my license I will probably sneak the helmet out to the aircraft, since I already have it. I will have to balance the embarrassment of being seen on the taxiway vs by obligation to my wife and kids, and once they can ride maybe some light DOT rated motorcycle helmets or even bicycling helmets would probably do the trick with some 300ohm modded David Clark fire engine intercom soft top headsets.
Most GA aircraft have a pretty low stall and landing speed but still faster than a bicycle and other bad stuff like collision can happen in landing or takeoff legs, airplanes are not the high-speed steel crash survival cages modern automobiles are and even so we invented airbags for cars as a work around specifically because normal people from the pre-seatbelt age simply couldn't be convinced to wear helmets in cars.
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To further contribute to this thread drift:

The couple of times I've been up in a weight shift trike, I wore a helmet. The few times since I got out of the Air Force that I flew open cockpit, I wore a helmet. (BTW, Eddie, however did you get your hands on that old military ID of mine? I thought that photo was gone forever.) If I were flying a powered parachute, I'd be wearing a helmet. I will not get on any of my motorcycles without a helmet. So, it amazes me that the state in which I reside, where motorcycle helmets used to be the law of the land, rescinded its helmet rule a few years ago. What were our legislators thinking? (Oops -- did I just use "legislators" and "thinking" in the same sentence?)

I know that ABATE lobbied long and hard, and spent quite a bit of money, overturning our helmet law. Their argument is about individual liberty. But, the fact is, a decision of another motorcyclist not to wear a helmet affects me directly. When he or she is brain injured, it is my tax dollars keeping the anti-helmet advocate on life support, and my medical and vehicle insurance premiums that are impacted. So, I feel the government has the right to make restrictions in the interest of public safety. The preamble of our Constitution empowers lawmakers to "promote the general welfare," and I support that. If this makes me a socialist, so be it! :wink:

OK, so now back to the Panthera and spins, I hope.
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Modern sky diving helmets seem to be becoming more popular among aerobatic pilots, I read. Less bulky than a motorcycle helmet (mine, I was told by the EMT, took a real beating when I wrecked), but still offering pretty good protection.
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drseti wrote:I will not get on any of my motorcycles without a helmet. So, it amazes me that the state in which I reside, where motorcycle helmets used to be the law of the land, rescinded its helmet rule a few years ago. What were our legislators thinking? (Oops -- did I just use "legislators" and "thinking" in the same sentence?)
While I agree with your sentiments on legislators, I think the use of any safety devices by adults should be a matter of choice, and not legislation. People who don't wear seatbelts are dumb, but I think it's worse to put a gun to their heads and use force to make them be safer. A free society should be about choice, and the right to make silly ones that others might not approve of. Owning an airplane is a silly choice most of the time, after all! :)
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drseti wrote:But, the fact is, a decision of another motorcyclist not to wear a helmet affects me directly. When he or she is brain injured, it is my tax dollars keeping the anti-helmet advocate on life support, and my medical and vehicle insurance premiums that are impacted. So, I feel the government has the right to make restrictions in the interest of public safety. The preamble of our Constitution empowers lawmakers to "promote the general welfare," and I support that. If this makes me a socialist, so be it! :wink:

OK, so now back to the Panthera and spins, I hope.
Not quite yet.

Could not everything you said to justify helmet laws for motorcycles also apply to helmet laws for cars? Lots of drivers are brain in injured in car accidents, and helmets could greatly reduce that number.

BTW, I always wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle. Or, a bicycle.

And twice have had a helmet save me what could have been quite serious facial injury.

Now, back to the Panthera!
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Cycle helmets don't provide protection, says neurosurgeon

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 65257.html
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CharlieTango wrote:Cycle helmets don't provide protection, says neurosurgeon

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 65257.html
Thanks. Interesting, and very counterintuitive.

My motorcycle and bicycle helmets will both remain de rigueur for the foreseeable future.

My head is not as hard as some have put forth, and I would just like something, anything between it and the pavement if things went horribly wrong - which often does not involve a driver.
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drseti wrote:Their argument is about individual liberty. But, the fact is, a decision of another motorcyclist not to wear a helmet affects me directly. When he or she is brain injured, it is my tax dollars keeping the anti-helmet advocate on life support, and my medical and vehicle insurance premiums that are impacted. So, I feel the government has the right to make restrictions in the interest of public safety.
Two things:

1) Thanks for the great argument against tax dollars in medical care! :D

2) The preamble is just that, a preamble. It is not statutory. If I wrote a legal document outlining a partnership that we had, and I began a document with the following line:

"Purpose of this document: To promote the business relationship of the participants."

Does that mean I would be justified in ignoring the actual terms of the contract, in order to do anything that I thought might "promote the business relationship"? I don't know any court that would take that position. The articles of the Constitution are its terms, not the preamble. To argue otherwise is to argue no limits on government power at all, as long as the action is said "to promote the general welfare."

Sorry, I know...I'm drifting more than Tom Hanks in "Castaway".
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Early on in my flight training I slammed my head on the top of the canopy in turbulence. It was hard enough that my headset came off, and my sunglasses were displaced. Fortunately my instructor was right seat and perfectly fine. Couldn't help but think of what a whack a bit harder than that could do solo!

Lesson learned... tighten those seat belts and shoulder straps!
Tighten them again on downwind, and any time you start to hit turbulence.

I'm 6' tall but skinny. Some harnesses can not be adjusted tight enough for me.

Realistically, proper fit and use of seat belt and harnesses is the answer.
I'd consider wearing a helmet for aerobatic solo... by that point it's certainly not "dorky".
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Interesting note: A friend of mine that I fly with is a former Soviet combat jet pilot. He explained to me that while in service he was not allowed to strap himself in the cockpit. There were professionals assisting for that duty.
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I never understood why more GA pilots do not wear helmets... If you have never been struck in the head with something very hard and even relatively fast, either with OR without helmet, you may not get it.

The bike helmet article is a poor example. Bike helmets are not normally worn correctly.

I love all of the Pipistrel videos...definitely makes me want an Alpha. They do seem confident about their aircraft. I am also surprised Pipistrel Alpha isn't more popular in the USA.
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pjcampbell wrote:I love all of the Pipistrel videos...definitely makes me want an Alpha.
Thanks for getting this thread back on topic, Mr. Campbell. I've never flown the Alpha, but have flown their motorgliders. Good performance at a very reasonable price.
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