Flying into a Class C airport of entry

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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby Wm.Ince » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:00 am

MrMorden wrote:
drseti wrote:91.131 (b)(1)(iii) specifically allows Sport Pilots to operate in Class B, provided proper training and endorsements have been accomplished. I think this trumps the AIM.
Whew. I knew the language was in there, just could not remember where.
As for the AIM not being regulatory...care to test that theory by landing at Hartsfield...? :lol:
FAR 61.325 also applies.
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby drseti » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:17 am

Wm.Ince wrote:FAR 61.325 also applies.


Well, yes, of course - that's the "provided" part. It's also referenced in 91.131.
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby dstclair » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:20 am

lindolo2 wrote:I'm a sport pilot and have a controlled airpace endorsement. I want to fly my LSA into Saint Thomas Island which is Class C. My plane has a transponder and all requirements. The local DPE told us we can not fly into that airport since it is an airport of entry with customs and that we needed at least a Private License with ICAO to fly there. Is it true we can not fly there? It is USA territory. I have looked on the FAR but can't find an answer to this question pertaining to sport pilots.

There is no FAR (that I can find) that prohibits an SP from landing at a point-of-entry airport. I'm aware of a several SPs who flew to/from the Bahama's (the Bahama's changed their regulations to allow SPs in their country as well) and were required to land at a point-of-entry in Florida upon return. I supposed there could be something special in the Virgin Islands but there would typically be something in AFD, FARs or some other published FAA document. I'd suggest calling the FSDO that is responsible for the Virgin Islands: http://www.faa.gov/airports/southern/ab ... fices/#atl

Just curious -- are you flying out of Puerto Rico? And what are you flying?

From AOPA:

Puerto Rico

If you fly from Puerto Rico to the U.S. Virgin Islands, you can fly as a domestic flight with no eAPIS or CBP entry requirements, just fly and land. However, if you fly from the U.S. Virgin Islands to Puerto Rico, you must clear with CBP at an international port. However, you do not file an eAPIS; you file the old CBP Form 178 and request permission and an appointment.


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Virgin Islands

AOPA has become aware of an issue regarding travel to the U.S. Virgin Islands and points south. U.S. Customs in St. Thomas says that pilots need to file an eAPIS outbound and nothing else. U.S. Customs in St. Croix says that pilots DO NOT need to file an eAPIS, but DO need to go the the CBP office. U.S. Customs headquarters is aware of this discrepancy and is working with the local offices to resolve. In the meantime, it would be wise to contact the specific U.S. Customs offices you intend to use in the area by phone prior to departure or arrival, and to confirm which procedure to use.
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby Flocker » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:51 am

dstclair wrote:I'm aware of a several SPs who flew to/from the Bahama's (the Bahama's changed their regulations to allow SPs in their country as well) and were required to land at a point-of-entry in Florida upon return.


That was my experience returning from the Bahamas last January. It is also required going in the other direction. Freeport was the closest AOE from PBI.

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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby FastEddieB » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:08 pm

Flocker wrote:
dstclair wrote:I'm aware of a several SPs who flew to/from the Bahama's (the Bahama's changed their regulations to allow SPs in their country as well) and were required to land at a point-of-entry in Florida upon return.


That was my experience returning from the Bahamas last January. It is also required going in the other direction. Freeport was the closest AOE from PBI.


Bahamas, yes - its another country.

Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico - I don't think so - they're US territories.

As I said a few years ago we did NOT have to land at a point-of-entry or clear customs on a non-stop Cirrus flight from Puerto Rico to S FL.
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby MackAttack » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:55 pm

Flocker, you scofflaw ... *laughing* I'm in the same boat - I hold a PPL but fly under sport privileges, so I think I would be ok strictly speaking as well. But having operated at one of the big Bravo airports (KPHL) in a LSA, I'm not all that keen in operating at another... more blood pressure than I need. Flying through the airspace to airports in the area, no problem. landing or taking off behind an A380 ... not my idea of fun!

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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby drseti » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:26 pm

eyeflygps wrote:Two year old thread...


Yes, it is - but there's no reason folks can't reactivate old threads if they find the subject relevant.
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby Wm.Ince » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:33 pm

drseti wrote:
eyeflygps wrote:Two year old thread...

Yes, it is - but there's no reason folks can't reactivate old threads if they find the subject relevant.

Thank you.
For a minute or two, I almost forgot who the real moderator was. :lol:
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby drseti » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:15 pm

You want the job, Bill? :wink:
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby Wm.Ince » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:36 pm

drseti wrote:You want the job, Bill? :wink:

Are you kidding?
I would be fired within two days. :D

Besides that Professor, in all seriousness, I think you do a swell job.

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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby MrMorden » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:25 am

Seconded.
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Re: Flying into a Class C airport of entry

Postby drseti » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:43 am

Thanks, Bill and Andy. I couldn't do it without you guys.
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