In furtherance of a business....

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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby Jim Stewart » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:19 pm

Another thing to keep in mind. Virtually all non-accident FSDO investigations are started because someone complained.

Keep your friends, relatives, and airport neighbors happy and the odds of ever being investigated for something like this is about nil.
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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:00 pm

I had a fairly new FAA inspector stand up and talk at a flight instructor clinic. He said "We are here to violate you for anything you do wrong". At least that is what I remember. I think his attitude was softened a little by someone who was above him at the FSDO.

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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby CTLSi » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:13 pm

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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby drseti » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:00 pm

CTLSi wrote:That guy should be drummed out of the FAA.


Or given a promotion. :cry:
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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:13 pm

drseti wrote:
CTLSi wrote:That guy should be drummed out of the FAA.


Or given a promotion. :cry:


It's my understanding that the first thing that happens when you get a job with the FAA is they send you to school to learn how to be a ______, well you know what I mean. :roll:

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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby drseti » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:10 pm

CTLSi, you have been advocating pushing the limits of the FARs to your advantage. Fine. Now you are suggesting responding with belligerence to the very FAA officials who hold the power to ground you over such action, should it be discovered. I think we all know how well that's going to work for you.
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Re: In furtherance of a business....

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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby Jack Tyler » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:34 am

" No bad experiences for me, I might be inclined to answer questions?"

I like how this is stated because it points out we have a choice in how to respond to queries from inspectors. I've experienced one investigation - which ended almost before it began - and on the advice of AOPA's Legal Services attorney, I too opted to confess all. (Lost engine power over a SC barrier island not connected to the mainland and uninhabited. Did a simple fix to the throttle cable before the tide finished coming in, and was able to fly it off but was reported since the fix wasn't signed off by a licensed A&P/IA). But despite that 'positive' experience - a no-brainer to the investigator - I will not automatically opt to answer all Q's and operate out of a sense of 'felt guilt' if I choose not to do so. To expand on Paul's point, not all investigators are the same, even within the same FSDO. My choice would be to first understand my legal & procedural circumstances, as explained to me by an aviation law expert working for me. And I get that for a mere $33/year from AOPA.
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Re: In furtherance of a business....

Postby dstclair » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:30 pm

If the flight is for work, you need a PP and a medical. If it's just for fun, you don't. Period.

..but I have fun flying for any purpose so I guess I don't ever need my medical :-)

Seriously, I don't believe the clarification really clarified anything. There is still significant gray area that may interpreted multiple ways. AOPA legal or another aviation attorney might be the best source for more educated opinions on specific scenarios.

For instance, I live in Dallas but my business unit in based in Nashville. I have offices in Nashville, Dallas and Chicago. In general, I spend a week in each office monthly with no specific business driver dictating which office I use. If I were to fly myself to Nashville or Chicago, I would leave on Sunday which allows me to cancel (and go commercial the following day) if conditions are not conducive to a safe flight.

My parents live in Tulsa and I visit periodically over a weekend. My return trip is typically on Sunday to Dallas. I delay if the weather doesn't cooperate.

Now then, how is my trip back from Tulsa to Dallas any different than a trip from Dallas to/from Nashville? In each instance, I'm working the following day from my 'normal' office.

My personal view is that the travel is allowed under both SP and PP regs. I also know there are those define the reg more narrowly (just like 'reference to ground' :-)).

In my case, I reduce risk by flying as a PP with a medical.
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