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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby FastEddieB » Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:08 am

CharlieTango wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:
Are you saying that the visible surface has to be directly below you? If not how far from directly below?


I wasn't really saying anything.

I was making a joke based on the fuzziness of the language.
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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby CharlieTango » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:28 pm

FastEddieB wrote:
CharlieTango wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:
Are you saying that the visible surface has to be directly below you? If not how far from directly below?


I wasn't really saying anything.

I was making a joke based on the fuzziness of the language.


Ah, I was mislead by the fuzziness of your joke :)

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby CTLSi » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:59 pm

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby 3Dreaming » Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:12 pm

CTLSi wrote:The FAA clearly doesn't want Sport Pilots violating VFR rules. How did you get above the broken, and how will you get back below it? You would likely need to violate VFR rules.


You fly through the 1/8 to 3/8 of the sky that does not have any clouds, or take off in the clear fly over the layer, and land in the clear.
It's not rally that hard to do without breaking the rules.

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby FastEddieB » Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:45 pm

CTLSi wrote:The FAA clearly doesn't want Sport Pilots violating VFR rules. How did you get above the broken, and how will you get back below it? You would likely need to violate VFR rules.


I take it you have not flown extensively in areas prone to overcast layers.

I've done it extensively, both VFR and IFR, never consciously violating any VFR rules*.

It's done every day, and as your experience grows you'll see how, while there is perhaps some modicum of risk to being able to top an overcast layer, it greatly enhances a planes's utility to have the option to do so.


*For instance, headed north out of S FL, getting a Special VFR out of Opa Locka or North Perry, then flying over an overcast layer caused by the sugar factories around Lake Okeechobee, all the while knowing the extent of the layer and that I would be in clear skies within 50 miles or so.
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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby FastEddieB » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:51 pm

CTLSi wrote:Sport Pilots are not allowed to fly VMC...


I did not know that. Certainly puts a damper on things!

...or fly above broken, overcast or clouds if there is any chance of losing site of the ground.


I did not know that either. Source?
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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby Wm.Ince » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:56 pm

CTLSi wrote: . . . " Sport Pilots are not allowed to fly VMC, request Special VFR or fly above broken, overcast or clouds if there is any chance of losing site of the ground." . . .
That's news to me.
By the way, what is your reference on that? . . . 8)
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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby Merlinspop » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:57 am

CTLSi wrote:... if there is any chance of losing site of the ground.

Here's the site: https://www.google.com/earth/ You know...in case anyone loses it.
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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

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Re: Without visual reference to the surface

Postby FastEddieB » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:30 am

That part I think most of us knew*.

It was all that other stuff we were asking for sources on.



*Though, to be honest, I forgot that an instrument rating was required for a Special VFR clearance.
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