ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

H. Paul Shuch is a Light Sport Repairman with Maintenance ratings for airplanes, gliders, weight shift control, and powered parachutes, as well as an independent Rotax Maintenance Technician at the Heavy Maintenance level. He holds a PhD in Air Transportation Engineering from the University of California, and serves as Director of Maintenance for AvSport of Lock Haven.

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby Jim Hardin » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:34 am

drseti wrote:
Warmi wrote:Does anyone what does it take to have your plane show up on sites like FlightRadar24 etc ?


I use FlightAware, and have registered my plane to my account. When I log in, I can retrieve the ground track of its most recent flight in transponder airspace, accessed by N number. It's a great way to keep track of my students' solo XCs (and they need not find somebody at the destination airport to sign their logbooks).

This also lets me see how students approached and entered the pattern, what kind of pattern they flew, and whether they did a go-around. We then review the ground tracks together during debrief.


You opened that can of worms :D

I have Never told my students to get signed off at X-country airports! There is absolutly no requirement to do so other than your lack of trust in them. Yet you trust them enough to throw them the keys to a $100,000 airplane... Makes no sense to me :?

(sorry for the topic drift)

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby TimTaylor » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:44 am

Makes perfect sense. I'm sure there is more than one student who got lost on a cross-country and never told his instructor.
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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby drseti » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:04 pm

Jim Hardin wrote:I have Never told my students to get signed off at X-country airports!


Nor have I, Jim. But there are still intructors who do. Makes little sense to me, but: their plane, their rules.
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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby drseti » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:06 pm

TimTaylor wrote: I'm sure there is more than one student who got lost on a cross-country and never told his instructor.


You'd think the extra hour on the Hobbs would be a dead giveaway
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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby TimTaylor » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:21 pm

drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: I'm sure there is more than one student who got lost on a cross-country and never told his instructor.


You'd think the extra hour on the Hobbs would be a dead giveaway

Unexpected headwind...in both directions.
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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby drseti » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:30 pm

TimTaylor wrote:Unexpected headwind...in both directions.


Kind of like when we were kids, walking to school. Barefoot, through the snow. Uphill... both ways!
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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby Jim Hardin » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:24 pm

Did have one (not mine!) who flew from Donegal Springs (N71) PA to Hazleton (HZL), 56 NM. But he missed it and continued another 83 NM to Sidney Muni (N23) NY! These two are pretty much aligned but he didn't the Hazleton airport and kept on going...

The FBO there called and I was the only CFI available to talk to him. This was in the 70's before Cell Phones and GPS. I got him calmed down enough to plot a course home using a couple of VORs and asked the FBO, also a CFI to check his work, fill him up and if he felt the kid was OK, let him go. I did make an offer to both of them to let me fly up and escort him back it either felt is was needed, no charge. Figured I would threaten his instructor to reimburse me :P

If some student came in and asked for a logbook signature, I never hesitate to do so. Also ask a couple of gentle questions about where they came from and where they are going to make sure they are set to fly the next leg.

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby 3Dreaming » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:50 am

If I have a student come in and ask for a signature, I say welcome the Flora with a big smile. If they get a confused look I ask where they are supposed to be. When they say Olney-Noble I say welcome to Olney, and sign their logbook. My normal signature is "arrived OLY OK then my name.

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby Warmi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:03 pm

Does anyone even fly without GPS these days ( excluding Cubs etc ) ?

With a sectional , I can envision landing at a wrong airport , especially if both are close or have similar layout but I am having hard time imaging how can you can get lost with a GPS ( or even with your phone acting as a crude GPS ) to the point where you land at the wrong airport ...
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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby 3Dreaming » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:11 pm

Warmi wrote:Does anyone even fly without GPS these days ( excluding Cubs etc ) ?...


I do, and both of my sons will be able to do the same. I was just talking with a DPE last week, and he said it is becoming a lost art.

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby ShawnM » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:14 pm

Warmi wrote:Does anyone even fly without GPS these days ( excluding Cubs etc ) ?

With a sectional , I can envision landing at a wrong airport , especially if both are close or have similar layout but I am having hard time imaging how can you can get lost with a GPS ( or even with your phone acting as a crude GPS ) to the point where you land at the wrong airport ...


It does seem shocking that ANYONE can get lost these days with all the technology we have but I guess it still happens. :mrgreen:

I always have at least 3 GPS sources in my cockpit when I take off, my main Aera 660 panel mount GPS and my iPhone and iPad both loaded with Foreflight. I dont carry paper charts, save a tree. :mrgreen:

Several years ago a C-17 air force plane mistakenly landed at Peter O'knight airport in south Tampa when he was supposed to land 4 miles further southwest at at MacDill Air Force base. Of course they both have runway 4/22 but one is 3,583 feet long and the other is 11,421 feet. The real problem was getting the plane back out of Peter O'knight. Can you say oops?

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby Jim Hardin » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:17 am

Get lost with a GPS?

Punch in the wrong identifier and not notice it... Since you have full faith in the GPS, you will land at the wrong airport :wink:

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby 3Dreaming » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:44 am

It can happen, just ask the Southwest pilots who landed at the wrong airport going into Branson. It was a crystal clear night, both airports had runways on the same heading, and the runway lights were on. They visually picked up the runway for the wrong airport and quit looking at their instruments. They were even talking to the controllers. Once that airport is in sight, or at least you think it is, you quit worrying about the GPS.

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby ShawnM » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:59 am

3Dreaming wrote:It can happen, just ask the Southwest pilots who landed at the wrong airport going into Branson. It was a crystal clear night, both airports had runways on the same heading, and the runway lights were on. They visually picked up the runway for the wrong airport and quit looking at their instruments. They were even talking to the controllers. Once that airport is in sight, or at least you think it is, you quit worrying about the GPS.


That's my point, they didn't follow their GPS. Had they followed the GPS they would have landed at the correct airport. This was clearly pilot error and not the fault of the GPS. My Garmin GPS informs me with audio and visual cues that I'm arriving at the right airport that I entered.

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Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT

Postby ShawnM » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:01 am

Jim Hardin wrote:Get lost with a GPS?

Punch in the wrong identifier and not notice it... Since you have full faith in the GPS, you will land at the wrong airport :wink:


I'm not sure how I'd NOT notice I entered the wrong identifier but that's another story.

But even if I did enter the wrong identifier I won't be lost, I'll be at the exact location I told the GPS to take me to. :mrgreen:


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