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Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:42 pm
by Warmi
Whatever works for you.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:06 pm
by dstclair
Hey Paul. -- mind cleaning up the non sequitur posts so we can get back to the topic at hand?

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:32 pm
by 3Dreaming
TimTaylor wrote:
Warmi wrote:
comperini wrote:
Reading the timeline, when changes to 61.109 take effect, it would appear that the rule goes into effect August 27, 2018.

I didn't see anything saying "only time logged after that date counts", so I assume all time counts, regardless of when it was logged?


Since this new ruling did not introduce new training requirements, not counting previously logged time would be inconsistent with the ruling itself - not that logic and consistency is something that federal bureaucracies strive for but still ...

Enough already of your right wing bs.


Tim, you are like a ghost hunter. Ghost hunters see ghost in almost everything, because they are looking for ghost. You see right wing attacks because you are looking for right wing attacks. Maybe it's time to stop looking for a ghost around every corner.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:55 pm
by drseti
TimTaylor wrote:Enough already of your right wing bs.


Let it go, Tim - this is no place for political bickering. We all won on this one; let's just come together and bask in our victory.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:43 pm
by drseti
I've just skimmed the entire 53 page rulemaking, and must say this is a major victory for us all. My undying gratitude to our own Helen Woods, who pulled together and headed up the ad-hoc committee that drafted the initial petition to the FAA, something like 6 years ago. It was an honor and a pleasure working with you, Helen, and the results were certainly worth the protracted wait.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:50 pm
by Wm.Ince
drseti wrote:I've just skimmed the entire 53 page rulemaking, and must say this is a major victory for us all. My undying gratitude to our own Helen Woods, who pulled together and headed up the ad-hoc committee that drafted the initial petition to the FAA, something like 6 years ago. It was an honor and a pleasure working with you, Helen, and the results were certainly worth the protracted wait.

Many of us thought, it should have been that way in the first place.

Thank you, Helen and Paul, for your contributions to that effort.

Next up . . . working to raise the weight limit of LSA-SEL to 1540 lbs.! . . :D

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:01 pm
by drseti
Wm.Ince wrote:Next up . . . working to raise the weight limit of LSA-SEL to 1540 lbs.! . . :D


That's going to be a much harder sell, Bill. We'd have to demonstrate convincingly that such a change would substantially improve safety.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:03 pm
by Warmi
It is shame thought that it took 6 years to get such common sense and uncontroversial change thru ...
DrSeti is probably right that it will take another 20 years to get any major changes like 1540 gross ...

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 pm
by foresterpoole
This is great news for all sport pilots and CFI-S folks! Stick and rudder skills can be learned on any platform (excepting of course rudderless ERcoupe) and should count! It will also, I think, make finding a CFI who might stick around longer than a few months easier to find. I have found CFI-S' generally aren't as interested in flying heavy iron and are not using the job as a stepping stone. Just my 2 cents, I might be wrong....

Who knows, after a brief review of the requirements, I might just try to get up to that level rather than just a ground instructor certificate.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:46 pm
by drseti
Do that, Ed! Get that CFIS, and then move up to Lock Haven, and I'll hire you.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:12 pm
by comperini
Wm.Ince wrote:Next up . . . working to raise the weight limit of LSA-SEL to 1540 lbs.! . . :D


And that STILL wouldn't please the people who think 152's should be included

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:36 pm
by drseti
comperini wrote:And that STILL wouldn't please the people who think 152's should be included


You're right, Bob. Some people are never satisfied.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:47 pm
by Wm.Ince
drseti wrote:
Wm.Ince wrote:Next up . . . working to raise the weight limit of LSA-SEL to 1540 lbs.! . . :D

That's going to be a much harder sell, Bill. We'd have to demonstrate convincingly that such a change would substantially improve safety.

If the above premise is used as a standard, please demonstrate convincingly, how "All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings," substantially improves safety.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:25 pm
by drseti
It was a tough sell, Bill, but in our original petition, we argued that it would encourage more Sport Pilots to continue on toward higher ratings. The argument was that additional training always tends to improve safety.

The problem with the FAA's mandate to improve safety is that the stated goal can most easily be accomplished by grounding everybody. So, the safety argument is a double-edged sword.

Re: All training from Sport CFI now counts towards higher ratings

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:37 pm
by drseti