Class D/C/B endorsement question
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
During my training, I flew into C/D airspace, however the location of the nearest class B airport made it impractical to fly there so my instructor gave me the B/C/D endorsement, however put a slash through all the B's and wrote "Limitations: no operations in Class B airspace" at the bottom, that's currently my goal to get that portion back one day.
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
As an instructor in my opinion what your instructor did was wrong. You either endorse that you have done the training of 61.325, or don't make the endorsement. There is no regulatory requirement for flight training in each of the airspaces. Ground training on the operation in class B would be sufficient. That is kind of like doing a tail wheel endorsement and trying to add a limitation that it only applies to a J3 Cub because that is the airplane you did the training in.
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
Never saw it that way, the airport I fly out of has class C airspace next to it and I fly through it a lot. I've also flown into some class D airports too.
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Not just sufficient, Tom, but required. If the instructor hasn't at least given ground instruction on Class B procedures and restrictions, I don't think he or she should provide the endorsement.3Dreaming wrote: There is no regulatory requirement for flight training in each of the airspaces. Ground training on the operation in class B would be sufficient.
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
Absolutely training on class B airspace is required, but I think you are taking what I said out of context.drseti wrote:Not just sufficient, Tom, but required. If the instructor hasn't at least given ground instruction on Class B procedures and restrictions, I don't think he or she should provide the endorsement.3Dreaming wrote: There is no regulatory requirement for flight training in each of the airspaces. Ground training on the operation in class B would be sufficient.
The point is that there is not a requirement for actual flight training in class B airspace, but you must certainly have training on the rules for operation in class B airspace. C and D airspace as well. Again either you have met the training requirements of 61.325 or you haven't, there is no in between. The only flight training needed to complete the endorsement is 3 take offs and landings at an airport with an operating control tower, the rest can be done with ground training.
Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
I think we're both saying the same thing, Tom.
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
So is my endorsement illegal? I'm actually kind of worried now
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
Did the instructor give you ground training on the the flight rules for operation in class B airspace?AviatorCrafty wrote:So is my endorsement illegal? I'm actually kind of worried now
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Yeah we went over it. We just never went flying in actual class bravo airspace. He told me since we never flew in class B airspace he couldn't faithfully endorse me to do so.3Dreaming wrote:Did the instructor give you ground training on the the flight rules for operation in class B airspace?AviatorCrafty wrote:So is my endorsement illegal? I'm actually kind of worried now
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Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
Well it sounds like you received the training you needed, but the instructor tried to impose limits when he shouldn't have.AviatorCrafty wrote:Yeah we went over it. We just never went flying in actual class bravo airspace. He told me since we never flew in class B airspace he couldn't faithfully endorse me to do so.3Dreaming wrote:Did the instructor give you ground training on the the flight rules for operation in class B airspace?AviatorCrafty wrote:So is my endorsement illegal? I'm actually kind of worried now
Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
My instructor did sort of the same thing. Before my check ride he did not sign off the controlled airspace endorsement even though we had had a lot of Class D takeoffs/landings and some Class C. His reasoning being that the DPE would not be able to question me too much on it. Post-license we worked on the endorsement and initially he only signed off on me for Class D. On subsequent flights we did more Class C work but never actually flew through Class B(we did use flight following once but were not cleared through the Class B and flew under it). Subsequently he signed me off for all 3. I have flown through Class B several times using flight following. Sometimes I've thought it better to just fly over it as they usually have me flying at 6500' and have me deviate off my intended route.
Re: Class D/C/B endorsement question
Speaking as a DPE, my thoughts are just the opposite. When I see that an applicant already has the airspace endorsement, I am less likely to hammer on airspace during the oral. Besides, the DPE is never allowed to go beyond what's in the PTS.rcpilot wrote: Before my check ride he did not sign off the controlled airspace endorsement even though we had had a lot of Class D takeoffs/landings and some Class C. His reasoning being that the DPE would not be able to question me too much on it.
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