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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby FastEddieB » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:28 pm

TimTaylor wrote:That may be true, but the applicant should know everything in part 61 and part 91 that applies to him. He should not need his instructor to tell him everything.


Well, sure.

But back in the real world, pilots of all stripes have gaps in their knowledge - things they were never taught, things they were taught and forgot, things they learned but got wrong.

I try to keep my gaps small, but Lordy they're there!
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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby TimTaylor » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:34 pm

I'm not arguing that many Sport Pilots may not be aware of this requirement. I'm just saying they should be aware of it as all other things included in FAR Part 61 and Part 91 that apply. Do they know they can't drink and fly for example?
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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby drseti » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:14 pm

TimTaylor wrote:Do they know they can't drink and fly for example?


They do if they watch my EAA Webinars! :wink:
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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby 3Dreaming » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:57 pm

Warmi wrote:Yes , my impression was that carrying logbooks on every flight was basically something only student pilots had to do but it looks like this is a requirement for Sport Pilots as well .... I doubt many are aware of this requirement :D


They would if they were my students.

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby drseti » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:07 pm

3Dreaming wrote:
They would if they were my students.


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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby RTK » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:23 am

I always carry my logbook when flying. But I scan my logbook every time I fill-up a page and keep it on Google Drive. That way it’s accessible anywhere for proof of any endorsement in case I’m ever in a position where the logbook isn’t with me.

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby Warmi » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:23 pm

RTK wrote:I always carry my logbook when flying. But I scan my logbook every time I fill-up a page and keep it on Google Drive. That way it’s accessible anywhere for proof of any endorsement in case I’m ever in a position where the logbook isn’t with me.


That’s a actually pretty good idea.
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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby drseti » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:39 pm

I actually require my Sport Pilot students to carry their logbook (or equivalent documentation) with them on every flight. This gets them into the habit. This is also required for a Sport Pilot checkride - I'm surprised DPEs don't emphasize it!
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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby TimTaylor » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:10 pm

Personally, I think carrying your logbook is a bad idea. If you crash and burn, your widow will need it for the lawsuit. I would carry copies or electronic evidence.
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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby Warmi » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:24 pm

drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Do they know they can't drink and fly for example?


They do if they watch my EAA Webinars! :wink:


Indeed ... watch the webinar .. or face the consequences !

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby 3Dreaming » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:25 pm

RTK wrote:I always carry my logbook when flying. But I scan my logbook every time I fill-up a page and keep it on Google Drive. That way it’s accessible anywhere for proof of any endorsement in case I’m ever in a position where the logbook isn’t with me.


With Google Drive is it actually on the device, or on the cloud? If it is the latter what will you do if you need it someplace where there is no internet?

I think I would scan the originals, shrink them and put them on a business size card. Then carry it along with your pilot certificate and valid photo ID.

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby 3Dreaming » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:27 pm

drseti wrote:I actually require my Sport Pilot students to carry their logbook (or equivalent documentation) with them on every flight. This gets them into the habit. This is also required for a Sport Pilot checkride - I'm surprised DPEs don't emphasize it!


I also have my students, sport or private start carrying their logbook even before they solo just to get them in the habit.

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby ShawnM » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:11 pm

TimTaylor wrote:Personally, I think carrying your logbook is a bad idea. If you crash and burn, your widow will need it for the lawsuit. I would carry copies or electronic evidence.


Very well stated Tim. I never carry my paper logbook with me. Heck, I dont even use it anymore. I actually keep an electronic version in the cloud so it's always with me and available no matter where I am, it's on my phone or iPad, if needed. My endorsement s are also there. I always fly with my iPhone and iPad and have them as navigational backups if needed. I have ForeFlight on both.

My paper version is tucked away safely in my office. Somewhere.......

This is the electronic age, save a tree will ya? :mrgreen:

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby RTK » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:10 pm

3Dreaming wrote:
RTK wrote:I always carry my logbook when flying. But I scan my logbook every time I fill-up a page and keep it on Google Drive. That way it’s accessible anywhere for proof of any endorsement in case I’m ever in a position where the logbook isn’t with me.


With Google Drive is it actually on the device, or on the cloud? If it is the latter what will you do if you need it someplace where there is no internet?

I think I would scan the originals, shrink them and put them on a business size card. Then carry it along with your pilot certificate and valid photo ID.


Google drive keeps it in the cloud, so it’s not actually on your device unless you store the file on your device. Taking a picture would keep the image on your device, but it would be hard to find.

I’m somewhat embarrassed to admit that I do keep duplicate files in my emails for this very reason. It’s resident on my phone, and it’s easy to find based upon the search feature. I often email files to myself (or bcc myself on emails with files I’d want to reference later.). With Google Drive and $24 a year, I have 100GB of storage, so I don’t worry about filling up email or my cloud storage.

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Re: Sport Pilot & logbook requirements

Postby ShawnM » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:47 am

As RTK stated it's in the cloud and accessible to you on any device you own.

I'm an Apple user and they give you a free 5 GB iCloud account for storage. I use it for important things like my logbook, my insurance cards, my AAA membership card, a pic of my drivers license, a pic of my EAA card, a pic of my pilot's license and a checklist for my airplane. That's it.

This way I ALWAYS have those items with me. I never worry about internet access because I can access it on my phone with cell service. And no I dont worry about cell service either because I dont fly in the backcountry. :mrgreen:

This way I always have my logbook with me.


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