Fatality - USSYorktown

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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby MrMorden » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:40 pm

3Dreaming wrote:
Just to be fair 3 gallons in a Rotax engine does meet legal reserves, but not by much. it certainly was not enough for the airplane he was flying.


Not when a gallon or more of that is unusable fuel in the CTSW fuel system. Not to mention running that low in a CT makes you ripe for fuel starvation by unporting the pickups in even the hint of an uncoordinated turn...

Whoops, missed the part about what he was flying. We’re on the same page.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby Warmi » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:58 pm

Whatever was his problem ...sad, R.I.P.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby CharlieTango » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:25 pm

He remained 'colorful' to the very last moment

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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby Half Fast » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:42 pm

FastEddieB wrote:....that she hopes we’d have some idea of an area he’d be flying in, so that we could avoid it.

She has said that about exactly one other person.



.....and therefore I’ll be certain to text you 30 minutes prior to any of my flights.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby ShawnM » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:23 pm

What’s the phrase I’m looking for? It’s on the tip of my tongue, wait, I think I just remembered,

Karma’s a bitch ! :mrgreen:

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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby TimTaylor » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:31 pm

3Dreaming wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:Well, I was reading his post about the iPad app he was using during his landings and frankly, it almost felt like he was trolling you guys .....



Go over to the POA website and read about his fuel mismanagement crash and subsequent lawsuit. He made an unplanned landing because his fuel gauges showed low fuel, confirmed he only had about 3 gallons left, did not add fuel (??!!), then took off again in clear violation of the reg about VFR fuel reserve. After crashing, he sued the plane manufacturer, his instructor, and a host of others. Suit was finally dismissed with prejudice.

I'm not sure whether that's evidence of insanity or stupidity, but either way it's consistent with honestly believing one can use GPS ground speed to land.


Just to be fair 3 gallons in a Rotax engine does meet legal reserves, but not by much. it certainly was not enough for the airplane he was flying.
That depends on how much fuel he needed to get from where he landed to his final destination. He would need enough to get there plus 30 minutes of reserve. My point is, once he landed and decided to take off again, it was a new flight with it's own fuel requirements.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby FastEddieB » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:44 pm

Half Fast wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:....that she hopes we’d have some idea of an area he’d be flying in, so that we could avoid it.

She has said that about exactly one other person.



.....and therefore I’ll be certain to text you 30 minutes prior to any of my flights.


And there I was, trying to be coy!
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby foresterpoole » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:34 pm

Wow, that's all I got....
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby Wm.Ince » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:23 pm

FastEddieB wrote:She has said that about exactly one other person.

Yep . . . I think she is right on.
Most of us know exactly who she is referring to.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby FastEddieB » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:36 am

My “Daniel Bernath - lessons to be learned?” thread just got locked as well.

Good example of over-moderation in my book.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby drseti » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:40 am

3Dreaming wrote:Reading the news article it gives me pause about the crash. Time will tell, but I have a strange feeling that it might have been something other than an accident


I immediately thought the same thing, Tom. Suicide by airplane?
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby Half Fast » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:44 am

FastEddieB wrote:
On POA, someone mentioned ATC recordings of events leading up to the accident. Has anyone stumbled upon those?



Thought there might be a link to recordings on Kathryn's Report, but the material over there seems to have been removed.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/01/f ... -2018.html
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby drseti » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:49 am

FastEddieB wrote:My “Daniel Bernath - lessons to be learned?” thread just got locked as well.

Good example of over-moderation in my book.


Which I've always tried to avoid here, Eddie, because I believed anyone could be educated. I guess this accident proves me wrong.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby Half Fast » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:58 am

drseti wrote:
Which I've always tried to avoid here, Eddie, because I believed anyone could be educated. I guess this accident proves me wrong.



Maybe so. But at least others can learn from his unwillingness to learn. I believe that everything happens for a reason; sometimes the reason is that the person is a freakin' idiot who makes extraordinarily poor decisions.

His life wasn't wasted. He serves well as a bad example to others.
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Re: Fatality - USSYorktown

Postby FastEddieB » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:01 am

Half Fast wrote:
His life wasn't wasted. He serves well as a bad example to others.


For any Warren Zevon fans out there...

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