New Garmin ADS-B Units

[MrMorden]

For those waiting for an "all-in-one" ADS-B solution that just slides into a Garmin transponder tray, your prayers are answered:

http://newsroom.garmin.com/press-releas ... ansponders

The new units have IN and OUT, a 2020-compliant GPS source, transponder replacement, bluetooth that talks to Garmin pilot AND ForeFlight (shocking Garmin doesn't force Pilot on users) for weather and traffic display, does both 1090 and 978 frequencies, and has other bells and whistles.

At $5795 it's not any cheaper than a GDL-84, but with the simpler install (slide into existing transponder tray, wire audio if you want audio alerts for traffic) and the fact you can sell your old GTX327 or GTX330, the all-in cost might well be a bit less.

[Cluemeister]

Hi Andy,

Link not working for me. Is it working for others?

[Flocker]

Not working. Here's an alternate:

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All- ... ansponders

[dstclair]

That's the simple solution I've been waiting for and is probably what I'll do for my annual in Feb 2019. I also like the Appareo Startus ESG as a drop in solution as well (http://www.appareo.com/aviation/stratus-esg/) but it is only ADS-B Out (and ~$2500) cheaper. Garmin wins out since it would talk to my 795 without needed to keep my GDS-39 3D. Wonder if Stratus will come up with an In/Out solution in the next couple years.

Good news for me is that my current Skyguard ADS-B Out and GDL-39 3D will continue to meet my needs for another 4 years.

[MrMorden]

corrected link.

[Jack Tyler]

Hardly shocking that Garmin has made the In/Out box compatible with Foreflight given the installed Foreflight base. (I believe it's proprietary but I'd sure like to know how many current Foreflight customers there are. Anyone seen a guesstimate from someone in the industry?) And who tends to be the EFB (Pilot, Foreflight et al.) customer? More often than not, someone who flies a plane that lacks an installed GPS/Com with a graphic map display. It's interesting to me that Appareo has been publicizing their ESG product for 18 months, dealers nationwide have their orders in, but the unit has not yet received approval. And yet, Viola! Garmin says theirs will be available 'next month'. Still...typical Garmin pricing.

[MrMorden]

It's interesting to me that Appareo has been publicizing their ESG product for 18 months, dealers nationwide have their orders in, but the unit has not yet received approval. And yet, Viola! Garmin says theirs will be available 'next month'. Still...typical Garmin pricing.

The Appareo ESG is ADS-B out only. You have to use a Stratus or other external device to get ADS-B in. Given that, I think the Garmin pricing for a one device integrated ADS-B in+out solution is competitive.

[dstclair]

It's interesting to me that Appareo has been publicizing their ESG product for 18 months, dealers nationwide have their orders in, but the unit has not yet received approval. And yet, Viola! Garmin says theirs will be available 'next month'. Still...typical Garmin pricing.

The Appareo ESG is ADS-B out only. You have to use a Stratus or other external device to get ADS-B in. Given that, I think the Garmin pricing for a one device integrated ADS-B in+out solution is competitive.

I don't think the GTX-345 is price competitive with the ESG and a second device for ADS-B In. The Experimental/LSA version of the ESG is $2990 and a GDL-39 is around $600 for a total cost of $3600. The GTX-345 is $5800. This is a $2200 premium for the Garmin.

I do think the one box Garmin solution is much cleaner and provides a higher value than a multi-box solution, though. Whether this is worth $2200 is debatable.

[MrMorden]

It's interesting to me that Appareo has been publicizing their ESG product for 18 months, dealers nationwide have their orders in, but the unit has not yet received approval. And yet, Viola! Garmin says theirs will be available 'next month'. Still...typical Garmin pricing.

The Appareo ESG is ADS-B out only. You have to use a Stratus or other external device to get ADS-B in. Given that, I think the Garmin pricing for a one device integrated ADS-B in+out solution is competitive.

I don't think the GTX-345 is price competitive with the ESG and a second device for ADS-B In. The Experimental/LSA version of the ESG is $2990 and a GDL-39 is around $600 for a total cost of $3600. The GTX-345 is $5800. This is a $2200 premium for the Garmin.

I do think the one box Garmin solution is much cleaner and provides a higher value than a multi-box solution, though. Whether this is worth $2200 is debatable.

The version with GPS is $3490, that is more apples to apples. So the premium is less. What you get for that is The one box solution, plus Garmin's name. Will Appareo be here in three years to provide updates and support? I'm sure Garmin will be. It's a steep premium I admit, but it's not for nothing.

[SportPilot]

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[dstclair]

The version with GPS is $3490, that is more apples to apples. So the premium is less. What you get for that is The one box solution, plus Garmin's name. Will Appareo be here in three years to provide updates and support? I'm sure Garmin will be. It's a steep premium I admit, but it's not for nothing.

Actually, the TSO'd ESG is $3490 with the ESG that has a WAAS GPS that performs as per the TSO is $2990. And in fairness, the $2990 should be compared to the GTX-335 (ADS-B Out only) which retains for $3795. Garmin is still higher 30% higher but that's in line with their 'normal' premium.

The Garmin name and reputation will command a premium price.

Absolutely agree and I tend to go with Garmin myself.

[MrMorden]

The version with GPS is $3490, that is more apples to apples. So the premium is less. What you get for that is The one box solution, plus Garmin's name. Will Appareo be here in three years to provide updates and support? I'm sure Garmin will be. It's a steep premium I admit, but it's not for nothing.

Actually, the TSO'd ESG is $3490 with the ESG that has a WAAS GPS that performs as per the TSO is $2990. And in fairness, the $2990 should be compared to the GTX-335 (ADS-B Out only) which retains for $3795. Garmin is still higher 30% higher but that's in line with their 'normal' premium.

Ah, you are correct. The front page says "$3490 with GPS and antenna", you have to read a bit more to figure out both units have a GPS. Interesting that they only say the GPS *antenna* is TSO'd on the more expensive unit. Probably the same GPS in both, and the antenna just makes the unit meet all the TSO requirements.

The Garmin would be my choice for a few reasons:

* I use the Garmin Pilot app, and no other unit will support that app.

* I want a solution with no wires, batteries, external doo-dads, or other complexity.

* I have a lot of respect for the engineering and reliability of Garmin, so I'm willing to pay more for that.

Other people will have different priorities, so viva la difference! I sure hope Appareo and others do well and the marketplace gets crowded. That's how better products and lower prices come about.

[snaproll]

Question for the Avionics Guru's... I have ADS-B in but not out in my Remos GX Aviator II. My avionics package has a Garmin GTX-330 mode S transponder and GPSMAP 496. I am looking to comply with the ADS-B Out without butchering my avionics and panel. Is the GTX-335 installation along with the antenna for the GTX-335 a feasible solution to comply (replacing my GTX-330) and would this just be a plug in replacement? Appreciate some guidance.

[Flocker]

Question for the Avionics Guru's... I have ADS-B in but not out in my Remos GX Aviator II. My avionics package has a Garmin GTX-330 mode S transponder and GPSMAP 496. I am looking to comply with the ADS-B Out without butchering my avionics and panel. Is the GTX-335 installation along with the antenna for the GTX-335 a feasible solution to comply (replacing my GTX-330) and would this just be a plug in replacement? Appreciate some guidance.

E-mail Garmin Support - they have always been responsive to my questions. Here's the link: https://fly.garmin.com/fly-garmin/support/

[snaproll]

Question for the Avionics Guru's... I have ADS-B in but not out in my Remos GX Aviator II. My avionics package has a Garmin GTX-330 mode S transponder and GPSMAP 496. I am looking to comply with the ADS-B Out without butchering my avionics and panel. Is the GTX-335 installation along with the antenna for the GTX-335 a feasible solution to comply (replacing my GTX-330) and would this just be a plug in replacement? Appreciate some guidance.

E-mail Garmin Support - they have always been responsive to my questions. Here's the link: https://fly.garmin.com/fly-garmin/support/

Thanks for the advice and link. I wrote Garmin and already received a positive response, i.e.. ideal solution, easy installation, and will meet the requirements. I live 15 miles outside of the LAX 30 mile class B veil and routinely transit within the 30 mile veil. The ADS-B In already installed has been great in this area. Will plan for the GTX-335 installation for the ADS-B Out.