I pulled a FastEddie....

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I pulled a FastEddie....

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In our debates on crosswind landings, Eddie has brought up the possibility of landing at a diagonal angle into the wind across the runway as opposed to down the middle. I went flying today with the winds fairly moderate at 10-12 kts varying between 20 and 45 degrees of crosswind. On final, I found myself in a thirty degree crab and decided, what the heck, why don't I land at a slight angle? Didn't need to but better to practice in mild conditions than waiting for a a hurricane. I let the plane drift to the left side of the runway, the slowly angled into the wind and landed around 20 degrees more than the runway heading. Touched down and once my left main got to the centerline straightened up and continued to the next taxiway. Very easy landing. Might just add this to the bag of tricks. :D
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Re: I pulled a FastEddie....

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Well you have done, Grasshopper!
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dstclair wrote:In our debates on crosswind landings, Eddie has brought up the possibility of landing at a diagonal angle into the wind across the runway as opposed to down the middle. I went flying today with the winds fairly moderate at 10-12 kts varying between 20 and 45 degrees of crosswind. On final, I found myself in a thirty degree crab and decided, what the heck, why don't I land at a slight angle? Didn't need to but better to practice in mild conditions than waiting for a a hurricane. I let the plane drift to the left side of the runway, the slowly angled into the wind and landed around 20 degrees more than the runway heading. Touched down and once my left main got to the centerline straightened up and continued to the next taxiway. Very easy landing. Might just add this to the bag of tricks. :D

You must have some serious width to your runway!
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I probably could land sideways at KGVT, Dimensions: 8030 x 150 ft. / 2448 x 46 m. :D

Not so much at my home airport that is an optimistic 50'.
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Re: I pulled a FastEddie....

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Now if you had a Carbon Cub you could just land across the runway!

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designrs wrote:Now if you had a Carbon Cub you could just land across the runway!

:lol:
What runway?
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Re: I pulled a FastEddie....

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dstclair wrote:In our debates on crosswind landings, Eddie has brought up the possibility of landing at a diagonal angle into the wind across the runway as opposed to down the middle. I went flying today with the winds fairly moderate at 10-12 kts varying between 20 and 45 degrees of crosswind. On final, I found myself in a thirty degree crab and decided, what the heck, why don't I land at a slight angle? Didn't need to but better to practice in mild conditions than waiting for a a hurricane. I let the plane drift to the left side of the runway, the slowly angled into the wind and landed around 20 degrees more than the runway heading. Touched down and once my left main got to the centerline straightened up and continued to the next taxiway. Very easy landing. Might just add this to the bag of tricks. :D
Been doing that since 1965. I was taught by my father who had been doing it since.... You get the idea.
In my humble opinion, there has been a drifting away from common sense flying skills to rigid, codified, lowest common denominator, standards.
I flew with a CFII a few months ago who had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned "top" and "bottom" rudder. He then had a screaming fit when I rolled the plane over on it's side to demonstrate. :twisted:
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rgstubbsjr wrote: In my humble opinion, there has been a drifting away from common sense flying skills to rigid, codified, lowest common denominator, standards.
I flew with a CFII a few months ago who had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned "top" and "bottom" rudder.

You're right about that. The typical "Instructor" these days, has less than 300 hours and all he's doing, is building time until he can get a "real job".

A couple of months ago, a local instructor at my home field took a potential student for an "introductory ride" ... totaled a DA20, probably one of the easiest planes there is, to fly. He developed a habit of landing too flat and after his 2nd bump of the nose wheel, induced so much PIO, the nose gear ended up coming up through the floor of the airplane.

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rgstubbsjr wrote:He then had a screaming fit when I rolled the plane over on it's side to demonstrate.
LOL! Do you have a video?
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designrs wrote:
rgstubbsjr wrote:He then had a screaming fit when I rolled the plane over on it's side to demonstrate.
LOL! Do you have a video?
No. I try not to have any records of my shenanigans laying about.

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Old thread I know, but...

I am active on four aviation sites, and sometimes it seems excessive to post the same thing to all four.

Saturday, chatting with Flocker and hirschr it reminded me that sometimes I'll post a video to one or two of my furums, and neglect others.

So, I think I may not have posted this recent video to this site, and it's very relevant to this thread:

http://youtu.be/rWO8mPlmb-k

Focus on my recently added yaw string. In spite of a gusty crosswind, on touchdown it's pretty much streaming straight back. But when I make the slight right turn at the left runway edge, it makes clear that there is, in fact, a left crosswind as it definitely blows out to the right. The windsock visible towards the end of the landing roll confirms that as well.

Anyway, after posting this on Pilots of America and ctflier.com, it's clear that some are quite opposed to this technique. I don't really see all the imagined hazards hypothesized there - it still seems to me like quite a benign exercise if you are practiced in it. But I'll admit it looks odd if you've never done it.

Like I said, it helps a little - or such is my impression. In my cross country to Page, it got utilized three time - at Henrietta, OK, Moriarty, NM and Sedona, AZ. In each of those cases,
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Re: I pulled a FastEddie....

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Eddie, a yaw string probably works on your pusher configuration (and works fine on a glider, of course). Not so sure it will indicate anything useful with a tractor.
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Might work on a twin - other than a Skymaster or equivalent.

I also tried one on the side of my canopy with a line at 10° to maybe serve as a poor man's AOA indicator.

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Did not work - except in theory. I could see the AOA increase, but the angles were too small to make it through the "noise" of the fluttering of the string. There could be a big difference in 10° and 12°, let's say, on flight characteristics, which would be very hard to discern with a short string.
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Hi Paul,

Did a flight test several years back on my CT with a string mounted on the front center glass. Tried it at a few different speeds. Everyone said the string is affected by the prop wash. Did several speed checks and turned the engine completely off and got the prop to quit turning didn't make any difference on the string. It always stayed the same. It was the same thing on my helicopter with the front mounted string. Rotor wash didn't really affect it.
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Re: I pulled a FastEddie....

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drseti wrote:Eddie, a yaw string probably works on your pusher configuration (and works fine on a glider, of course). Not so sure it will indicate anything useful with a tractor.
I have never tried it, but have been told by some very experienced aerobatic pilots that it does work.
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