Sport Pilot Talk

N918KT

I know there are flight sim programs for LSAs on your own desktop computer. But can they incorporate LSAs on full motions flight simulators such as the Redbird Full Motion Flight Simulators?

See, a few days ago, I went to my Morristown Aviation Explorer meeting and we visited a local flight school at Morristown Airport. I got a chance to fly in a Redbird Full Motion Flight Simuator in a Cirrus airplane. It was fun!!! Now I wonder if LSAs and LSAs cockpit panels are on the mind for Redbird Flight Simulations or any other full motion flight sim manufacturer? The software they use it Microsoft Flight Simulator X so can I even connect to the Internet and fly on VATSIM? I hope they make a Cessna Skycatcher full motion simulator!!! Do you think flight schools with Sport Pilot Programs would want to have a full motion sim for LSAs?

Cgregoire · Joined: 19 Nov 2010 Posts: 1

N918KT wrote: Now I wonder if LSAs and LSAs cockpit panels are on the mind for Redbird Flight Simulations or any other full motion flight sim manufacturer? The software they use it Microsoft Flight Simulator X so can I even connect to the Internet and fly on VATSIM? I hope they make a Cessna Skycatcher full motion simulator!!! Do you think flight schools with Sport Pilot Programs would want to have a full motion sim for LSAs?

N918KT, I work for Redbird Flight Simulations. I am glad that you enjoyed the FMX.

You will be happy to know that we are in fact working on a Skycatcher configuration for the FMX. We have quite a few CPC customers who have asked that we provide a configuration for that aircraft, so it has been added to the development list. We have also heard requests from some customers that are flying the CTLS and Remos aircraft, so you will more that likely see us release those panels in the coming year as well.

Daidalos · Joined: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 137 Location: KHWV

Nid Island Air Service at ISP has a Redbird programmed for a Remos LSA.

See: http://www.midislandair.com/BREAKING-NEWS/BreakingNews.html

Quote:
Redbird Simulator Intro

Announcing our Redbird Full Motion Introductory Flight!

Fly our simulator for only $40 for a 15 minute session. Great for new students who want to experience flight before getting into an airplane. Instrument students: See how this simulator can greatly enhance your IFR training experience. Call 588-5400 to schedule a flight.

If you are trying to save money don't worry you won't. I have flown a decent amount simulator time when I was training for my IR. The benefit is that the instructor can let you see what happens when you make mistakes. Also if practicing approaches you immediately reset your position instead of flying back to start another approach.

For a primary student I don't really see the benefit.

N918KT · Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:35 am Post subject:

That's great!!! I hope my local CPC will have a Cessna Skycatcher Redbird FMX!!!

I know that you can log flight time in the simulator as a substitute for real flying such as PPL and Instrument rating. Can you also log flight time in the FMX for Sport Pilot training? If so, how many hours?

bryancobb · Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject: Sounds Good But...

I know the prospect of putting hours on a page in you logbook when you never left the ground, sounds good, but...

The Sport Rating can be categorized as an entry level license that only requires a scant 20 hours of aeronautical experience to obtain.

The first 20 hours you will be flying with your eyes outside the plane and learning the touch and feel of flying. You will be navigating with your eyes outside, comparing the chart to what you see on the ground. You will be learning to talk on andlisten to the radio to keep from hitting others and keep them from hitting you.

The fundamentals that must be acquired (notice I avoided saying "mastered") to be allowed to load up a passenger and show them your new-found passion, are barely adequate at 20 hours.
There is no way the FAA is ever going to allow any of those first 20 to be done in a sim.

Sim's "ARE - THE - BOMB!" for mastering radio navigation and attitude instrument flying, but in the first 20 hours, they really don't do much other that give some enjoyment.

N918KT · Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject:

Oh, I see. One last question. When I was at the flight school with the Aviation Explorers, me and one of the Explorers wondered if a full motion simulator itself can go upside down or inverted. Is it possible for a full motion sim to do that like when you're doing aerobatics?

bryancobb · Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: An Answer

Kevin,
The more expensive full motion sim's work magic with your inner ear.
I don't know of one that goes upside down but they CAN make you think you are inverted.

N918KT · Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:53 am Post subject:

Ah, I see. Thanks for answering my questions!!!

Daidalos · Joined: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 137 Location: KHWV

Kevin,
I know you have access to the Red Board, check out this thread > Redbird flight simulators

eddieki · Joined: 06 Jul 2010 Posts: 7

bryancobb wrote: I know the prospect of putting hours on a page in you logbook when you never left the ground, sounds good, but...

The Sport Rating can be categorized as an entry level license that only requires a scant 20 hours of aeronautical experience to obtain.

The first 20 hours you will be flying with your eyes outside the plane and learning the touch and feel of flying. You will be navigating with your eyes outside, comparing the chart to what you see on the ground. You will be learning to talk on andlisten to the radio to keep from hitting others and keep them from hitting you.

The fundamentals that must be acquired (notice I avoided saying "mastered") to be allowed to load up a passenger and show them your new-found passion, are barely adequate at 20 hours.
There is no way the FAA is ever going to allow any of those first 20 to be done in a sim.

Sim's "ARE - THE - BOMB!" for mastering radio navigation and attitude instrument flying, but in the first 20 hours, they really don't do much other that give some enjoyment.

Great explanation Bryan
I have used Microsoft flight sims for quit a a while.
What they don't do is give you the feel of the aircraft in the seat of your pants. I am learning the feel and getting used to the feel only glancing at the ball to check out my feel of the airplane is right.
What flight sims are great for is learning IFR give me a VOR and an ILS and you can't get me lost. and I think I could get the Airplane on the ground if caught on top. NDB's are going away but AM radio stations can be used. Even though it is not required I think a pilot should know how. But The T-Craft I am learning in don't even have a radio in it so I am all the way back to the basics. and thats the way I want to learn at this time. when I get a little more time Maybe after I pass the check ride, I think I'm going to buy a Sportys FP 400 nav/com.
Eddie