Sport Pilot Talk

Paul Hamilton · Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Reno/Tahoe Nevada

Anybody know of any one any where who has incorporated a LSA under the part 141 training school rules?

The new regulations 141.39 (a) 2 now allow LSA to be in the part 141 schools

tadel001 · Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 251

A school in Kentucky had obtained FSDO waiver to use their LSA in the Part 141 program. However, i think they have stopped doing SP training. Part 141 is still a barrier because of preception. The success of a flight school using LSAs is largely dependent on the instructors. Part 141 schools typically have more technically advanced aircraft and young (out of aeronautical school) instructors looking to build TAA time. These individuals would rather push students to TAA aircraft and not LSAs. While the use of LSAs in Part 141 should open the market, the bigger hurdle will be openning the eyes of instructors.

Paul Hamilton · Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Reno/Tahoe Nevada

I am asking about adding a LSA to a 141 course, not a sport pilot rating. As far as I understand it, Part 141 does not apply to the SP rating. However, a LSA can be used towards Private, Commercial, Instrument and ATP.

tadel001 · Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 251

Yes, I understood what you are asking. The problem is that schools with Part 141 programs have other aircraft instructors will want to fly. It is not the type of license that discourages these instructors it is the appearance (conceptually) of the aircraft, i.e. I can fly a Cessna 172 SP or a Tecnam Eaglet/CTLS/etc. The past few years have demonstrated a tendency to go with the Part 23 aircraft.

This is a prime reason why a lot of large schools that added a single LSA are not doing as well in LSA rentals. I don't think you are going to see many schools add an LSA for Part 141 operations right now. Moreover, I think Part 141 ops are generally down.

zaitcev · Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Posts: 256 Location: Albuquerque, NM

I would love to do Private in a Flight Design plane, but only if the school had two, in order not to be beholden to maintenance stand-downs. My school is primarily based on Pipers but brought in a lease-back Skyhawk a few weeks ago. Instructors form a queue to fly it, but I said I'd rather continue flying Cherokees. I can always switch the type later.

-- Pete

seaplane_tux · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject:

tadel001 wrote: Yes, I understood what you are asking. The problem is that schools with Part 141 programs have other aircraft instructors will want to fly. It is not the type of license that discourages these instructors it is the appearance (conceptually) of the aircraft, i.e. I can fly a Cessna 172 SP or a Tecnam Eaglet/CTLS/etc. The past few years have demonstrated a tendency to go with the Part 23 aircraft.

This is a prime reason why a lot of large schools that added a single LSA are not doing as well in LSA rentals. I don't think you are going to see many schools add an LSA for Part 141 operations right now. Moreover, I think Part 141 ops are generally down.

Agreeing with what you're saying and adding...

The only advantage to having a 141 school (in my opinion) is the availability of financial aid. The G.I. bill is the reason we have 141 training and the students want to get all their training in a twin. The airlines want lots of twin time.

The older Instructors prefer training each student as an 'Individual' and not a curriculum. Not every person has the same strong and weak points, part 141 forgets that... :?