<![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:27:44 -0400 Smartfeed Extension for phpBB 3.1 http://sportpilottalk.com/styles/prosilver/theme/images/site_logo.gif <![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com en-GB Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:27:44 -0400 60 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Author DarrinT]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52579#p52579 I'm Darrin from just south of Denton Tx, I'm a 53 year old Student Pilot working on my SP Certificate.
I have a question that maybe some one can point me to where I can find the the answer. If I bought a plane registered as an Experimental such as a Challenger or an Rans s12 that qualifies as a LSA or ELSA. Can I fly it under a SP Certificate or does it have to be registers as a LSA. I read that planes can be re-registered but I also see read that planes that were considered a FAT ultra light had a deadline that has well sense passed to register as an LSA. I would hate to buy something to only find out that I can't fly it with out a PP certificate.]]>
no_email@example.com (DarrinT) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52579#p52579 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:47:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52579#p52579
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52580#p52580
There are several types of LSA including SLSA and ESLA. Any of these require a Sport Pilot certificate or higher to fly and each has it's own set of restrictions. A Sport Pilot can fly any legal LSA as long as he has an endorsement for that type, such as fixed wing, gyro, glider, etc.

Just be careful that you don't buy a 2 seat ultralight that was never registered as an LSA. There may still be some that can be used at trainers, IDK.

You can the information on FAA, AOPA, and EAA sites.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52580#p52580 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:21:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52580#p52580
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52606#p52606
DarrinT wrote:Hello
I'm Darrin from just south of Denton Tx, I'm a 53 year old Student Pilot working on my SP Certificate.
I have a question that maybe some one can point me to where I can find the the answer. If I bought a plane registered as an Experimental such as a Challenger or an Rans s12 that qualifies as a LSA or ELSA. Can I fly it under a SP Certificate or does it have to be registers as a LSA. I read that planes can be re-registered but I also see read that planes that were considered a FAT ultra light had a deadline that has well sense passed to register as an LSA. I would hate to buy something to only find out that I can't fly it with out a PP certificate.


As a sport pilot you can fly any aircraft that meets CFR 1.1 definition of a Light Sport Aircraft, regardless of how it is registered. Just make sure it has a current registration and a airworthiness certificate.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52606#p52606 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:38:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52606#p52606
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52609#p52609 and is registered. FAR Part 103 "fat ultralights" generally meet the LSA definition, but unless they were registered as ELSAs during the grace period, can now never be flown by anybody in the US.]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52609#p52609 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:55:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52609#p52609 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Reply by DarrinT]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52621#p52621
drseti wrote:Clarification, Tom. A Sport Pilot can fly any aircraft for which he or she holds category and class ratings, including any required endorsements, as long as it meets the FAR 1.1 definition if an LSA and is registered. FAR Part 103 "fat ultralights" generally meet the LSA definition, but unless they were registered as ELSAs during the grace period, can now never be flown by anybody in the US.

Thanks so much, that was very helpful, the last thing I want do is make a mistake and buy scarp metal. Now to start digging deep into research to find out whats the best fit for me.]]>
no_email@example.com (DarrinT) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52621#p52621 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:26:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52621#p52621
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52626#p52626
drseti wrote:Clarification, Tom. A Sport Pilot can fly any aircraft for which he or she holds category and class ratings, including any required endorsements, as long as it meets the FAR 1.1 definition if an LSA and is registered. FAR Part 103 "fat ultralights" generally meet the LSA definition, but unless they were registered as ELSAs during the grace period, can now never be flown by anybody in the US.


I figured most already knew they could only fly what they are rated for.

Now since we are picking nits. FAR Part 103 fat ultralights do not meet the requirements of the 1.1 definition. The number one requirement of The CFR 1.1 definition is "Since their original certification", if it has never been certified by the FAA, then the rule doesn't apply.

Secondly if they were not registered during the grace period it only means they can't be certified as a ELSA. There are other certification paths to allow flight. Experimental R&D or Exhibition are two. Another that is often overlooked is EAB, but that would only apply to the original builder if it meets the 51% rule and they have a build log.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52626#p52626 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:06:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52626#p52626
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello form Shady Shores Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52628#p52628 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52628#p52628 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:14:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5143&p=52628#p52628 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Rumplestilskin here... :: Reply by Andrew G]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52581#p52581 no_email@example.com (Andrew G) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52581#p52581 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 22:06:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52581#p52581 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Rumplestilskin here... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52582#p52582 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52582#p52582 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 22:23:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52582#p52582 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Rumplestilskin here... :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52583#p52583
Andrew G wrote: . . . my life long dream of once again getting back into aviation is close at hand. Looking forward to contributing to this fine forum.

Great!
Welcome to the forum.

Are you a member of CT Flier Forum? It is a forum specifically for Flight Design CT owners and operators. It's another great resource for flying and taking good care of your CT.

Here's the link to it:

http://ctflier.com/]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52583#p52583 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:29:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52583#p52583
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Rumplestilskin here... :: Reply by Andrew G]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52584#p52584
Presently in the Ground school phase, learning everything I can. The major difference in learning between the 1970's and today is the internet, i.e. YouTube and of course Forums like this one. The only outside help we had in the 70's were the old guys (I am now one...; ) hanging out at the airport. Today, if I have a question such as "how to calculate Density Altitude?"... or like yesterday... an embarrassing question such as "what is airspeed is alive?"... I can pull up lots of videos dealing with the subject from real pilots at differing experience levels. Believe me, learning in this modern environment and having GPS, Flight Following, and radios that actually work... is a joy compared to the old environment. What I do lament is the lack of people at airports. When I was a kid, the local airports were always busy. There were no fences, flight schools were busy and active and the old timers were always there... ALWAYS there hanging out. Offering advice whether you need it or not :D

My goal is to make it to Oshkosh '19 through the Rippon Gauntlet and safely encamped. A lotta aviation readin', ritin' and 'rithmetic to do first.]]>
no_email@example.com (Andrew G) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52584#p52584 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:16:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52584#p52584
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Rumplestilskin here... :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52643#p52643

Look, sure but this is one of the best sites you will find to get honest and accurate answers.

Light aircraft could care less if airspeed alive is reached. It flys when it is ready not by a yank at a specific speed :wink:]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52643#p52643 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:50:28 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4612&p=52643#p52643
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Author Byrneman]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52632#p52632 no_email@example.com (Byrneman) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52632#p52632 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:58:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52632#p52632 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52635#p52635 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52635#p52635 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:09:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52635#p52635 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52636#p52636
EDIT - Oops. I see Philadelphia and Lock Haven are 200 miles apart. :oops:

http://www.sportpilottalk.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1611

http://avsport.org/]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52636#p52636 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 20:03:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52636#p52636
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52644#p52644 http://www.sportflyingusaservices.com/

Two Bristell's for rent and several instructors. Call ahead, then come up and take a look. 717-735-1600

I fly there, not instructing at this time, so I may be biased :wink:]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52644#p52644 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:58:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52644#p52644
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by Byrneman]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52676#p52676 no_email@example.com (Byrneman) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52676#p52676 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:21:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52676#p52676 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by N918KT]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52693#p52693 http://www.newgardenflightconnection.com/#splash

Check New Garden Flight Connection out. They have a Pipistrel Alpha Trainer LSA although I heard it had some issues with the pilot's side door. I don't know if the issue is resolved yet. I only flown with them once last year.

It's about 30 to 40 miles southwest of Philly, an hour drive at most not including traffic although I am not sure where in Philly you live in.]]>
no_email@example.com (N918KT) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52693#p52693 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 22:13:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52693#p52693
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52697#p52697
I keep wanting to get down there and fly that Alpha one day. Oh, just saw that C140 in their fleet. Now that makes it a MUST! :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52697#p52697 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:12:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52697#p52697
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by Byrneman]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52712#p52712 no_email@example.com (Byrneman) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52712#p52712 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:25:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52712#p52712 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52713#p52713
Byrneman wrote:I stopped by the New Garden Air Show yesterday and the Pipistrel is still flying and they have two instructors who are qualified in it. Looks like New Garden will be getting my business. Thanks for your input.

There is this guy in Australia who has series of videos detailing his training in the Pipistrel Alpha.
https://youtu.be/jICIqIQXpZo

Seems to be very agile and nice little plane.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52713#p52713 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:34:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52713#p52713
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: LSA training in Eastern PA? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52715#p52715 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52715#p52715 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:55:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5146&p=52715#p52715 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Author Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52375#p52375
Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH1ztack6Y

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/07/arion-lightning-n538rh-incident.html]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52375#p52375 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:09:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52375#p52375
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52376#p52376 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52376#p52376 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:19:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52376#p52376 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52377#p52377 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52377#p52377 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 20:06:01 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52377#p52377 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52380#p52380

Certainly not what you want to happen on a long cross country........or ever. Hope everyone is ok.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52380#p52380 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:20:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52380#p52380
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52381#p52381 https://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail. ... fieds.html

Inspect at AirVenture 2018 in Oshkosh beside the Student Built display area July 23-28
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no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52381#p52381 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 06:54:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52381#p52381
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52382#p52382 no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52382#p52382 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 08:20:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52382#p52382 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52383#p52383
MrMorden wrote:It was a good hit, but from the film it didn't look like it was enough to crush the gear. Does anybody know if the nose gear on an Arion is particularly weak or vulnerable?

This photo on the Arion website doesn't inspire confidence in the nose gear robustness. Most photos I've seen have a fairing covering, but the actual strut (if you can call it that) looks pretty spindly.

Image]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52383#p52383 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:51:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52383#p52383
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52384#p52384
Warmi wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=1386727&ReturnURL=%2FLight-Sport%2520Classifieds.html

Inspect at AirVenture 2018 in Oshkosh beside the Student Built display area July 23-28

Hmmm. I wonder if the seller was demonstrating it to a prospective buyer and the buyer botched the landing.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52384#p52384 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:53:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52384#p52384
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52388#p52388
Scooper wrote:
MrMorden wrote:It was a good hit, but from the film it didn't look like it was enough to crush the gear. Does anybody know if the nose gear on an Arion is particularly weak or vulnerable?

This photo on the Arion website doesn't inspire confidence in the nose gear robustness. Most photos I've seen have a fairing covering, but the actual strut (if you can call it that) looks pretty spindly.

Image


It's about the same as an RV-12. But Van's has said their gear are "taxi gear", not landing gear, and not meant to take any real landing abuse.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52388#p52388 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:41:20 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52388#p52388
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52390#p52390 Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52390#p52390 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:39:22 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52390#p52390 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52391#p52391 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52391#p52391 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:02:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52391#p52391 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52396#p52396
Warmi wrote:A taxi gear ?
Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”


I do not disagree, but Van himself said this exact thing to me at Oshkosh a couple years ago. My reaction qas about the same as yours.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52396#p52396 Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:46:01 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52396#p52396
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52397#p52397 never land nosegear first in a tricycle gear aircraft. Nevertheless, I just looked carefully through FAR 1.1, and FAA gives no definition therein for "taxi gear."]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52397#p52397 Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:49:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52397#p52397 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: OSH Arion Lightning nose gear collapse :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52398#p52398
MrMorden wrote:
Warmi wrote:A taxi gear ?
Sounds like a marketing way of saying “ we make product with a crappy front gear so don’t ever make a mistake cause it will cost you dearly ”


I do not disagree, but Van himself said this exact thing to me at Oshkosh a couple years ago. My reaction qas about the same as yours.


Yeah, that strikes me as a dumb comment that reflects on a poor engineering decision to go with a marginal design.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52398#p52398 Fri, 27 Jul 2018 13:05:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5135&p=52398#p52398
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52261#p52261 https://www.flightradar24.com/43.95,-88.68/12 )
Due to morning IFR , everyone is at the door now .. people are being turned around 6+ times ..crazy.,]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52261#p52261 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:28:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52261#p52261
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52272#p52272
Warmi wrote:Fisk approach looks like a mad house right now ... ( on https://www.flightradar24.com/43.95,-88.68/12 )
Due to morning IFR , everyone is at the door now .. people are being turned around 6+ times ..crazy.,


I can confirm that it was a mad house. I was lucky! After making one circle I had my spacing right made a good wing rock, and the controller sent me to the airport.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52272#p52272 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:25:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52272#p52272
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52276#p52276
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no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52276#p52276 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 00:25:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52276#p52276
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52287#p52287
Warmi wrote:Mad House !!!!

MadHouse.jpg


Which one is you? :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52287#p52287 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:31:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52287#p52287
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52290#p52290 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52290#p52290 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:54:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52290#p52290 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52408#p52408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNFc0ToneGI

Yes, I have a great face for radio - lol]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52408#p52408 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:29:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52408#p52408
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by joey4420]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52409#p52409
I rode your tram at least once, but they were normally a wee packed so I walked a lot.]]>
no_email@example.com (joey4420) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52409#p52409 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:09:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52409#p52409
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52410#p52410 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52410#p52410 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:17:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52410#p52410 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: EAA AirVenture Oshkosh!!! :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52411#p52411
When not on duty I wander the grounds to learn where things are so I can tell my passengers. You can indeed burn up a pair of sneakers schlepping from Warbirds to Ultralights - lol]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52411#p52411 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:55:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5121&p=52411#p52411
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Rotax Service Class Oct. 6 & 7, 2018 in Tucson, AZ :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5116&p=52456#p52456


http://www.cps-parts.com/catalog/rtxpag ... pclass.php]]>
no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5116&p=52456#p52456 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:04:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5116&p=52456#p52456
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52348#p52348
On a sad note, there was a fatal plane crash early this morning at my home town airport in Lincolnton, NC. (KIPJ). Two guys took off very early on the way to Oshkosh in a PA32 in what appears to have been low IFR. Evidently, per the news reports, they were not instrument rated, but I don't know that for a fact. They crashed a few hundred yards to the side of the runway as if maybe they were circling back to land at low altitude, IDK.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52348#p52348 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 19:30:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52348#p52348
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52349#p52349 no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52349#p52349 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 20:50:00 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52349#p52349 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52350#p52350 no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52350#p52350 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:01:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52350#p52350 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52358#p52358
FastEddieB wrote:Glad to hear it!


Just to clarify, I'm sure Eddie meant he's glad to hear you're sticking around, not glad to hear about the accident. At least, that goes for me.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52358#p52358 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:26:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52358#p52358
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52359#p52359
Once I get a new Flight Review and pay another year's insurance, I can simply play it month to month and continue flying as long as I fly enough to stay safe and don't feel like I'm simply burning through money for no logical purpose.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52359#p52359 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:30:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52359#p52359
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52373#p52373
TimTaylor wrote:Once I get a new Flight Review and pay another year's insurance, I can simply play it month to month and continue flying as long as I fly enough to stay safe and don't feel like I'm simply burning through money for no logical purpose.

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm glad you're hanging in there.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52373#p52373 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:40:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52373#p52373
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52374#p52374 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52374#p52374 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:55:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52374#p52374 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Hanging Up My Wings :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52484#p52484
Flying is so addictive.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52484#p52484 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 16:59:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4997&p=52484#p52484
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Camara Mounting :: Author Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52648#p52648
I have heard one pilot complain of his ailerons 'buzzing' after he put a GoPro near the wingtip...

The question is, how does the FAA view these modifications to the airframe?]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52648#p52648 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:24:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52648#p52648
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52649#p52649 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52649#p52649 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:48:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52649#p52649 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52651#p52651 no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52651#p52651 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:56:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52651#p52651 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52652#p52652 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52652#p52652 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:04:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52652#p52652 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52654#p52654
For standard category if it is a minor alteration, then it is a logbook entry by a mechanic. Anything other than a minor alteration requires FAA approval. The mechanic needs to determine if it is a minor alteration or not, and the FAA may not concur.

For SLSA you would need approval from the manufacturer. Many of the of the cameras you see mounted on anything other than an experimental do not have the proper documentation for the installation.

I think I remember someone having a STC for Cessna aircraft, where they replace an inspection cover that contains a mount.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52654#p52654 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:06:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52654#p52654
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52658#p52658
A passenger once saw the suction cup mount and asked me if it would fall off. I told her I'd give her $50 if she could pull it off without flipping the lever on it. I didn't have to pay.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52658#p52658 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:54:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52658#p52658
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52659#p52659
3Dreaming wrote:
For SLSA you would need approval from the manufacturer. Many of the of the cameras you see mounted on anything other than an experimental do not have the proper documentation for the installation.


I don't think that's actually true for a temporary installation, but would be true for a permanent mount.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52659#p52659 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:56:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52659#p52659
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52661#p52661
MrMorden wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
For SLSA you would need approval from the manufacturer. Many of the of the cameras you see mounted on anything other than an experimental do not have the proper documentation for the installation.


I don't think that's actually true for a temporary installation, but would be true for a permanent mount.


Andy, you are free to think what you want, but ask your self this. Even with a temporary installation are you operating the aircraft in a configuration that is different than what it was delivered from the factory? If the answer is yes, then you need approval. My guess is the FAA would think the answer is "yes".

BTW way in a article published by the FAA, I believe they said suction cup mounts on the exterior of the aircraft would not be approved.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52661#p52661 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 10:18:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52661#p52661
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52664#p52664 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52664#p52664 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:19:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52664#p52664 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52665#p52665 ]]> no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52665#p52665 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:38:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52665#p52665 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by rsteele]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52666#p52666
I'll admit I've wondered about the legality of this. I also seem to remember the FAA saying this is a no-no on certified planes.]]>
no_email@example.com (rsteele) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52666#p52666 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:37:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52666#p52666
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52668#p52668
3Dreaming wrote:I've seen a few cameras mounted before with different types of mounts. The worst I've seen was a Cirrus a few winters ago that stopped in. A couple young guys were flying it building time. They had a Go Pro attached to the rudder counter balance with duct tape. :shock:


I remember that!

Another very "iffy" setup I saw was attached very near the stall warning port. I could easily visualize how, at a high angle of attack, that disruption in airflow could cause one wing to reach its critical angle of attack well before the other. With possibly nasty consequences.

That said, being EXPERIMENTAL has its benefits.

Three mountings I've played with:

Image

Image

Image

Pros and cons to each. My "go to" mount currently is my baseball cap mount:

Image]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52668#p52668 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:41:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52668#p52668
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52670#p52670
3Dreaming wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
For SLSA you would need approval from the manufacturer. Many of the of the cameras you see mounted on anything other than an experimental do not have the proper documentation for the installation.


I don't think that's actually true for a temporary installation, but would be true for a permanent mount.


Andy, you are free to think what you want, but ask your self this. Even with a temporary installation are you operating the aircraft in a configuration that is different than what it was delivered from the factory? If the answer is yes, then you need approval. My guess is the FAA would think the answer is "yes".

BTW way in a article published by the FAA, I believe they said suction cup mounts on the exterior of the aircraft would not be approved.


Would you get an LOA for a handheld GPS that you velcroed somewhere in your cockpit? Or a USB charger in the 12V socket? How about that little ADS-B IN box many have on their galreshields? All change the configuration as delivered from the factory. You can get pretty down in the weeds by that definition. I have a sticker of a Flying Monkey on the vertical stab. Requires an LOA? How about the plastic hula girl on my glareshield? In fact, the FAA's interpretation for such things is generally that they cannot be permanently installed, but if they are removable, temporary installations it's okay.

I know bringing up suction cups would cause some heartache here, but a couple of years ago I flew over 3000nm cross country from Georgia to Arizona and back, over a couple of weeks, in highly variable temperatures and altitudes. The only time the suction cup was removed was at night to prevent theft. There were zero issues. It takes 5 seconds to inspect the suction cup each time to make sure it's in good shape, and to wipe the surface it will attach to to remove any debris. Everybody can make their own call here, but I'm comfortable with what I have done.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52670#p52670 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:41:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52670#p52670
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52671#p52671 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52671#p52671 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 16:55:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52671#p52671 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52672#p52672
MrMorden wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
I don't think that's actually true for a temporary installation, but would be true for a permanent mount.


Andy, you are free to think what you want, but ask your self this. Even with a temporary installation are you operating the aircraft in a configuration that is different than what it was delivered from the factory? If the answer is yes, then you need approval. My guess is the FAA would think the answer is "yes".

BTW way in a article published by the FAA, I believe they said suction cup mounts on the exterior of the aircraft would not be approved.


Would you get an LOA for a handheld GPS that you velcroed somewhere in your cockpit? Or a USB charger in the 12V socket? How about that little ADS-B IN box many have on their galreshields? All change the configuration as delivered from the factory. You can get pretty down in the weeds by that definition. I have a sticker of a Flying Monkey on the vertical stab. Requires an LOA? How about the plastic hula girl on my glareshield? In fact, the FAA's interpretation for such things is generally that they cannot be permanently installed, but if they are removable, temporary installations it's okay.

I know bringing up suction cups would cause some heartache here, but a couple of years ago I flew over 3000nm cross country from Georgia to Arizona and back, over a couple of weeks, in highly variable temperatures and altitudes. The only time the suction cup was removed was at night to prevent theft. There were zero issues. It takes 5 seconds to inspect the suction cup each time to make sure it's in good shape, and to wipe the surface it will attach to to remove any debris. Everybody can make their own call here, but I'm comfortable with what I have done.


Andy, this is from the first line of the first post, "Just curious about the trend to mount GoPro's and the likes outside the airplane.".

Adding a camera to the outside of the airplane is essentially changing the shape of the airplane. In my mind this is significantly different than carrying something in the cockpit. You are correct that the FAA is clear about temporary things, but that is in the cockpit. They are also very clear about changes to wings, fuselages, landing gear, and control surfaces. Any change to these are considered a major alteration. Adding a camera even temporarily to any of these would still be a change.

Here is a simple question. What is the force created by the suction mount and camera, and is it within the peel strength limits of the outer layer of carbon fiber on the structure? A peeling load that is created by the camera is not really one that the structure is designed for.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52672#p52672 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:11:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52672#p52672
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by ct4me]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52673#p52673
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-MyMJD ... view?pli=1]]>
no_email@example.com (ct4me) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52673#p52673 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:49:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52673#p52673
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52674#p52674
ct4me wrote:FAA memo re: camera mounting

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-MyMJD ... view?pli=1


Well, that clears it up. Using a suction cup is not considered an alteration in the eyes of the FAA, but they don't recommend it.

I tried to search for FAA guidance yesterday, but our internet has been so terrible lately that I couldn't get the search to come up.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52674#p52674 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:10:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52674#p52674
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52675#p52675 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52675#p52675 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:12:30 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52675#p52675 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52677#p52677
MrMorden wrote:I know bringing up suction cups would cause some heartache here, but a couple of years ago I flew over 3000nm cross country from Georgia to Arizona and back, over a couple of weeks, in highly variable temperatures and altitudes. The only time the suction cup was removed was at night to prevent theft. There were zero issues. It takes 5 seconds to inspect the suction cup each time to make sure it's in good shape, and to wipe the surface it will attach to to remove any debris. Everybody can make their own call here, but I'm comfortable with what I have done.


I agree with you Andy. I have the GoPro suction cup mount and it works perfectly every time. Nothing is going to pull it off nor is it gonna fall off. When they first came out I saw GoPro at a trade show in Las Vegas and they told me the same thing "it's rated to 150 MPH". I knew in my LSA it wouldn't be a problem. This thing really sticks.

As far as this topic going off into the weeds, it certainly did a few posts back. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52677#p52677 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52677#p52677
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52681#p52681
FastEddieB wrote:Image

You should use that for your avatar.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52681#p52681 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 21:50:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52681#p52681
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52682#p52682
Wm.Ince wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Image

You should use that for your avatar.


You know, I just might!

Or maybe my Pastafarian Chaplain’s regalia that Tim mentioned!

Image]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52682#p52682 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 22:41:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52682#p52682
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52683#p52683
ShawnM wrote:
As far as this topic going off into the weeds, it certainly did a few posts back. :mrgreen:


How is that? The OP asked about mounting a camera on an airplane and that's what is being discussed.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52683#p52683 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 22:42:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52683#p52683
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52684#p52684
FastEddieB wrote:Or maybe my Pastafarian Chaplain’s regalia that Tim mentioned!
Image

That shirt and helmet are the perfect ensemble.
Great taste! . . :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52684#p52684 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 23:03:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52684#p52684
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52689#p52689
ShawnM wrote:I agree with you Andy. I have the GoPro suction cup mount and it works perfectly every time. Nothing is going to pull it off nor is it gonna fall off. When they first came out I saw GoPro at a trade show in Las Vegas and they told me the same thing "it's rated to 150 MPH". I knew in my LSA it wouldn't be a problem. This thing really sticks.


I do recognize that there is some risk with any external attachment, but as I said in another post, recreational aviation is more about risk acceptance than risk avoidance. We all have different tolerance for accepting individual risks. I like to fly small airplanes, but I will never get on a motorcycle. It's just how my risk profile runs. Everybody makes a case-by-case call on things. No harm/no foul for people who refuse risks that I accept, or vice versa.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52689#p52689 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:15:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52689#p52689
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52691#p52691
MrMorden wrote:I do recognize that there is some risk with any external attachment, but as I said in another post, recreational aviation is more about risk acceptance than risk avoidance. We all have different tolerance for accepting individual risks. I like to fly small airplanes, but I will never get on a motorcycle. It's just how my risk profile runs. Everybody makes a case-by-case call on things. No harm/no foul for people who refuse risks that I accept, or vice versa.


My risk profile is about the same, and I dont like motorcycles either. Also, external cameras may not be for everyone, to each his own. :mrgreen:

I saw a video once from an owner of a Cessna Citation with the GoPro mounted right on top of the tail. It was not the suction cup mount of course as it would have blown off on his climb out but it was a cool video.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52691#p52691 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:29:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52691#p52691
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52695#p52695

You look like the King of the Borg!]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52695#p52695 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:01:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52695#p52695
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Camara Mounting :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52696#p52696 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52696#p52696 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:09:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5149&p=52696#p52696 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: RV-12iS :: Reply by RichK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5127&p=52300#p52300
The RV12iS information is now up on the Van's website, just in time for Osh.]]>
no_email@example.com (RichK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5127&p=52300#p52300 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:28:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5127&p=52300#p52300
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 4TSi :: Reply by RichK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5107&p=52301#p52301
The Sling 4TSi will have DA40 performance. And (EAB apples to apples), better than an RV10.]]>
no_email@example.com (RichK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5107&p=52301#p52301 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:33:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5107&p=52301#p52301
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52263#p52263
In fact, the main complaint in the Cirrus is that they’re too fast!

In my Sky Arrow the speed and button location on the sidestick are perfect. But I’ve had intermittent problems, which is extremely aggravating. Those times I long for at least a manual backup.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52263#p52263 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:44:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52263#p52263
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52265#p52265
Warmi wrote:Actually , to clarify , my problem is not with having trim adjustment controls on the stick but rather with electrically powered trims , regardless where these are located , they are just too slow to adjust and the effect is similar to adjusting volume with up/down controls on your iPhone vs knob based analog adjustment. Give the analog control every time ....


Eddie is right, they are not necessarily slow. Depends on the aircraft and if they have a speed controller limiting the trim motors. The electric trim in my early SportCruiser is so fast I have to simply tap the buttons to adjust the trim. The later SportCruisers added a motor speed controller to slow down the trim motors as many thought it was too fast.

Trim speed depends on the plane and how it's wired. You can even add your own adjustable PWM voltage controller that will allow you to set the trim speed at whatever you like, fast, slow and anywhere in between. All for under $10.

And as Wm.Ince stated, it'll spoil you for sure. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52265#p52265 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 19:33:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52265#p52265
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52266#p52266 NEW Ray Allen G407 version stick grips now have the 4 way high hat for trim, they are very nice stick grips.

I agree that the 4 separate and individual buttons on the Ray Allen G205 is not ideal but is better than manual trim. :mrgreen: The G205 is standard in the SportCruiser.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52266#p52266 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 19:09:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52266#p52266
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52267#p52267 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52267#p52267 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:27:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52267#p52267 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52268#p52268
Warmi wrote:Since people are posting their panels.. why don’t you post yours Shawn ... I am just curious and I am always up for some good panel porn ... :D


It's not the panel porn you're expecting, remember I have a 2007 SportCruiser with the older, legacy Dynon glass. Compared to the latest carbon fiber panels out there stuffed with the large Skyview or Garmin instruments it may come up short in your expectations. For me, I love what I have now after my recent GPS and COMM radio upgrade. I may think about upgrading in the future but as I said, for now my panel provides me everything I need.

I have new panels drawn up in CAD that I'll eventually look into having made when it's time for an upgrade.

For now, this is all I have to offer......

left panel.jpg

right panel.jpg

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no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52268#p52268 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:47:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52268#p52268
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52269#p52269
Warmi wrote:Since people are posting their panels......


Since I showed you mine you have to show me yours. :mrgreen:

Isn't that how it works?]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52269#p52269 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:53:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52269#p52269
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52270#p52270
The latest Sling 2 planes from MSS look so awesome not because they sport dual Garmins but because the fit and finish of the panels is superb and the placement of instruments is logical and the whole thing is just very pleasing - I know it is only aesthetics but damn, we are paying tons of money for these things so why not demand quality panels as well :-)

But in your case, you do have the latest Garmin 660 and GTR 225 - can't get much better than that. The legacy Dynons , the EFIS is pretty much all you need for regular flying and the EMS is really good - I wish i had this sort of EMS on my panel.
One question does Dynon EMS allow you to record engine data ?
Another question - with GRT 225 , can you tune frequencies directly from your GPS or do you have to do it manually ?

Overall, between Garmin AP, EFIS/EMS and their GPS/Comms you got pretty much 90% of what is provided by the latest EFIS installations ( Garmin or Dynon )

My plane was built in 2012 but my panel is actually less technologically advanced than yours ( meaning .. I have more analog gauges :-)
But , just as you, I have an EFIS, a modern GPS and TruTrak two axis autopilot integrated with EFIS/GPS, ADSB IN and out (GDL 82) - upgrading this to Garmin or Dynon would mean getting rid of pretty much all my existing, perfectly good, avionics to get additional 10% capabilities at a cost of about 20 K or so ... hmm ?

The only issue with my EFIS is that is no longer being produced or supported which means, if it goes, I will have replace it with something else ... but the way I see it, I will most likely replace it with one of Grand Rapid Technologies EFISs since it can support all my existing stuff (AP,comms,transponder etc)
The only thing I am currently missing is some capability to record engine data and to automatically tune my radio based on GPS selections – the gps (796) does support this functionality, but it uses a serial connection for this and both of my serial ports are already allocated ( 796 -> EFIS, 796 -> ELT )

Anyway, here is my panel ..
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no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52270#p52270 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:28:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52270#p52270
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52271#p52271
ShawnM wrote:Since I showed you mine you have to show me yours.


Well, OK, Shawn, since you insist...

N905SM_panel.jpg

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no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52271#p52271 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:09:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52271#p52271
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52274#p52274
To answer some of your questions, yes I can push frequencies from my 660 to my radio. My radio is the GTR-200, not the 225. The 225 is the TSO’d version. The fact that the radio is linked to the GPS also allows the radio to show me the 10 closest airports and frequencies if I’m ever in a unfamiliar area. Kind of like a “nearest” feature. A nice feature also. And yes, the D-120 offers engine data logging and retrieval via the Dynon Support Program. You can also stream real time engine data to an external serial device for recording if you want.

In your situation I’d prefer the ability to push frequencies to the SL-30 rather than sending the GPS data to my ELT. You would use this feature more, yes? Since you obviously have a 406 ELT that alone is far better in location accuracy even without GPS coordinates than the old 121 ELT’s. I’d pass on sending it GPS data and rather have the ability to input frequencies into my radio. A feature I use every time I fly. Just my opinion.

To help put you mind at ease about not sending gps data to the ELT, the new 406 versions alone without GPS input are using doppler shift technology and the satellites will usually determine your position within 2 nautical miles on the first pass and improve upon that with each subsequent pass of the satellite. Not to mention you just added ADS-B out so ATC will know where you are also. Your 406 unit also sends a lot of data about you and your plane to the satellites that also help in locating you.

My point being sending GPS data to a 406 ELT is optional and something I personally would sacrifice in order to send frequencies to my radio. I feel the 406 ELT is far superior in location information than the old 121 units and feel comfortable in knowing they’ll find me quickly. Not everyone may feel this way.

We can talk ELT in another post as to not hijack this one.

Thanks for sharing your panel with me.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52274#p52274 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:38:28 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52274#p52274
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52275#p52275
drseti wrote:
ShawnM wrote:Since I showed you mine you have to show me yours.


Well, OK, Shawn, since you insist...

N905SM_panel.jpg


Thanks for sharing Paul, I see you have the fancy new Skyview goodies.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52275#p52275 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:44:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52275#p52275
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52277#p52277
ShawnM wrote:Thanks for sharing Paul, I see you have the fancy new Skyview goodies.


Yep. Including their 2-axis autopilot, blind Mode S- ES transponder. and dual-band wx and traffic rcvr for a complete installed ADS-B in/out 2020 solution. Not the cheapest way to go, but nice high level of integration.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52277#p52277 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 03:52:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52277#p52277
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52281#p52281
Image

Kind of basic, but the little 496 all by its lonesome is SO much more than what served us greybeards for many decades, that I feel blessed to have it. And combined with an iPad or iPhone is more than enough to navigate to virtually anywhere in the US.

Anyway, gets the job done!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52281#p52281 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:14:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52281#p52281
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52283#p52283 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52283#p52283 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:07:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52283#p52283 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52284#p52284 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52284#p52284 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:39:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52284#p52284 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52286#p52286 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52286#p52286 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:05:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52286#p52286 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52293#p52293 no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52293#p52293 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:10:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52293#p52293 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52294#p52294 ]]> no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52294#p52294 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:28:26 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52294#p52294 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52298#p52298 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52298#p52298 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:32:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52298#p52298 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52309#p52309
IMG_4346.jpeg


OK, it is not technically my panel. It is Herb Kelleher's panel. (I love that man.)

What is amazing to me...is, I learned to fly, in the 1980's, Cessna 152's, 172's, 150's...I love those airplanes. However, I recall being lost one night over south central Kansas/North Oklahoma...etc... That is virtually impossible today...GPS/iPads/iPhones/Garmin xxx? etc...

What is more amazing to me...is, for what I consider "reasonable" prices...I can get the same technology I have in the 737-800 I flew tonight...actually a bit better...ie: Garmin G3X Touch has synthetic vision...I do not have that in SWA 737...my Sling will do better RNAV approaches than the 737...our 737s have no WAAS capability yet...the Sling does...LPV approaches to 200'!...our 737 RNAV(GPS) approach mins are usually a couple hundred feet higher than LPV mins...oh, if I go missed approach in the Sling by hitting the TOGA button, the Garmin auto-pilot will fly the missed approach and holding pattern while I monitor...SWA 737 auto-pilot kicks off if we hit TOGA, so we hand fly the missed/go-around...(SWA is really 'cheap')...also, the Sling will make traffic callouts...ADS-B In/Out will supply traffic and weather at no charge...in seconds I can plan my flight in ForeFlight, transmit it wirelessly to the Sling which loads it into the GTN (or G3X Touch if no GTN), and off I go...

So.......I really like the Sling and the Sling panel....courtesy of Midwest Sky Sports...(they are the best).

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no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52309#p52309 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 04:11:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=52309#p52309
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Author c162pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52310#p52310 https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/LSA-Weight-Restrictions-Changing-231209-1.html

According to this article in AVweb still two years away. Anybody got any insight on what the new limits will be? Even a modest increase of a 150 lbs would definitely help sales of heavier empty weight planes like the Sling 2 and Ranger. I wonder if existing LSA’s will be able to be STC’d to the new Gross Weight?]]>
no_email@example.com (c162pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52310#p52310 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 04:28:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52310#p52310
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52311#p52311 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52311#p52311 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 05:44:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52311#p52311 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52312#p52312 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52312#p52312 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:29:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52312#p52312 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52313#p52313
drseti wrote:There is no such thing as an STC for non-certified LSAs.


Now, that said, I can foresee a market impact in two areas:

(1) SLSA manufacturers will be able to design and market a new SLSA+ aircraft that is even better equipped, carries more fuel, can use the heavier engines like the 915, and will be actual two-place aircraft (with no need for the "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, just fly it over-gross" attitude I've long been railing against). But these will be top-end, top-dollar aircraft. At maybe $200k to $250k, they're not going to impact the market for used lightweights.

(2) the rule change will make slightly-overweight legacy aircraft Sport Pilot Eligible, which will probably enhance their market value. But they will still be 50 year old aircraft, which will not significantly impact the market segment that wants shiny new.

Bottom line: since expensive, heavy SLSA+ and fat legacy aircraft will each attract it's own market segment, this should have little impact on the used SLSA market.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52313#p52313 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:04:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52313#p52313
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52315#p52315
I mean, let’s say I knew for a fact that my Sky Arrow was identical to models rated elsewhere to 1,450 lbs (I’m not). But I think others may be in that situation where the 1,320 lbs is a clearly arbitrary limit.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52315#p52315 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:16:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52315#p52315
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52316#p52316
FastEddieB wrote:I wonder if the owner of an ELSA could raise the maximum gross above 1,320 lbs, based upon his or her estimation of the safety of doing so?

I mean, let’s say I knew for a fact that my Sky Arrow was identical to models rated elsewhere to 1,450 lbs (I’m not). But I think others may be in that situation where the 1,320 lbs is a clearly arbitrary limit.


To remain a LSA aircraft in the US you still have to conform to the LSA guidelines set forth by the FAA. Anything outside those guidelines is no longer a LSA. Right now that's 1320 until further notice. It would be like the wild, wild west if owners could raise the MTOW based upon his/her own estimation. :mrgreen:

Why is everyone hell-bent on changing this rule? :o]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52316#p52316 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:29:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52316#p52316
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52317#p52317 after the LSA weight limit being discussed in this thread.]]> no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52317#p52317 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:37:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52317#p52317 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52318#p52318
ShawnM wrote:Why is everyone hell-bent on changing this rule? :o


Americans are greedy, Shawn. They want more of everything. A 6000 pound, retractible, injected, turbocharged, constant speed prop, six-place pressurized twin LSA for $100k would sell really well, I'm sure!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52318#p52318 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:37:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52318#p52318
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52319#p52319
FastEddieB wrote:I thought it would be clear I was talking about the situation after the LSA weight limit being discussed in this thread.


We are, but new rules are seldom if ever retroactive, so we're also talking about planes built after the rule change.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52319#p52319 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:38:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52319#p52319
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52320#p52320 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52320#p52320 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:41:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52320#p52320 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52321#p52321
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:I thought it would be clear I was talking about the situation after the LSA weight limit being discussed in this thread.


We are, but new rules are seldom if ever retroactive, so we're also talking about planes built after the rule change.



Why would that be the case ?

If you the new definition states that LSAs can go up to , say , 1500 Lbs gross .. why wouldn't manufacturers of existing LSA models be able to raise their gross ( if it is safe to do so ) the way Aeroprakt did for their A22L ?

https://foxbatpilot.com/2018/04/13/a22l ... -increase/]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52321#p52321 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:42:45 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52321#p52321
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52322#p52322
drseti wrote:
ShawnM wrote:Why is everyone hell-bent on changing this rule? :o


Americans are greedy, Shawn. They want more of everything. A 6000 pound, retractible, injected, turbocharged, constant speed prop, six-place pressurized twin LSA for $100k would sell really well, I'm sure!


LMAO, I'll take 2 Paul, where do I sign? :mrgreen:

Sadly, you're right.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52322#p52322 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:46:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52322#p52322
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by c162pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52325#p52325 no_email@example.com (c162pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52325#p52325 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:19:22 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52325#p52325 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52326#p52326 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52326#p52326 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:23:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52326#p52326 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52327#p52327
Warmi wrote: why wouldn't manufacturers of existing LSA models be able to raise their gross ( if it is safe to do so ) the way Aeroprakt did for their A22L ?


That Aeroprakt change was for the Australian market. I doubt FAA would be so compliant in the US.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52327#p52327 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:54:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52327#p52327
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52328#p52328
FastEddieB wrote:I wonder if the owner of an ELSA could raise the maximum gross above 1,320 lbs, based upon his or her estimation of the safety of doing so?

I mean, let’s say I knew for a fact that my Sky Arrow was identical to models rated elsewhere to 1,450 lbs (I’m not). But I think others may be in that situation where the 1,320 lbs is a clearly arbitrary limit.


I think you can absolutely do this, provided the aircraft is tested at the new weight and found to remain within LSA limits (clean stall speed being the biggest concern).

The best case scenario here would be an increase in weight to ~1500-1600lb AND an increase in clean stall from 45KCAS to 50-60KCAS. Probably too much to wish for all at once, but, here's hoping!

Cue Paul (rightly) reminding us about increased risk from rising stall speed and energy going up exponentially in 5...4...3...2...1... :lol: :lol: :lol:]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52328#p52328 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:01:20 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52328#p52328
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52329#p52329
ShawnM wrote:Why is everyone hell-bent on changing this rule? :o


Because frankly...it kind of sucks.

Sure, it's better than the original ~1230lb proposed LSA limit, but 1320lb is still a very tough limit for an airplane to hit and still have utility. And while LSA are primarily for pleasure and not "workhorse" airplanes, they still have a mission to fulfill, and that's hard to do when you have a two seat airplane that cannot legally take two normal adults and full fuel, not to mention some cargo like camping gear or weekend bags. There are a great number of LSA whose useful load is barely 500lb, and many in the 480-490lb range. And the fact is that in most cases this is not a design limit imposed by engineering and physics, but a bureaucratic limit imposed by the FAA.

The original idea is that the lower weight and stall speeds increase safety. That has some merit as far as it goes as far as impact energy is concerned. However, the lower weight and low wing loadings have other less desirable effects as well: more susceptibility to wind effects, twitchier handling characteristics, and less weight available for impact-absorbing structure and safety systems.

The Sport Pilot rule was feared to cause many pilots to fall from the sky as they slumped over the controls from heart attacks, strokes, and all the other medical issues the class 3 medical was designed to prevent. The reality has been *much* different. There have been a few head-scratching accidents, but not one confirmed documented case of a pilot flying under sport pilot rule being incapacitated at the controls and leading to a crash. At the very least, there are no more SP deaths at the controls than there are ATP deaths at the controls, which happens about once a year. It turns out pilots actually value their lives and generally don't fly when they know they are not fit to do so.

IMO, the easiest, simplest, and best way to solve this whole issue is to do away with the Sport Pilot / LSA rules, and simultaneously remove the class three medical requirements, and instead have BasicMed-style medical training requirement. There would be some minor exceptions needed to be made for existing SPs and LSAs, but the entire landscape of aviation would be flattened and simplified, and only non-commercial pilots needing to fly internationally would need a medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52329#p52329 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:30:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52329#p52329
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52330#p52330
drseti wrote:
ShawnM wrote:Why is everyone hell-bent on changing this rule? :o


Americans are greedy, Shawn. They want more of everything. A 6000 pound, retractible, injected, turbocharged, constant speed prop, six-place pressurized twin LSA for $100k would sell really well, I'm sure!


A trait of humans, not Americans. Nobody wakes up in the morning in any nation, and says to himself: "I really hope my life doesn't improve today. maybe it will even get worse if I'm lucky!" :roll:]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52330#p52330 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:33:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52330#p52330
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52331#p52331
MrMorden wrote:Cue Paul (rightly) reminding us about increased risk from rising stall speed and energy going up exponentially in 5...4...3...2...1... :lol: :lol: :lol:


OK, Andy, I'll bite.

Don't forget, folks, that these changes will increase kinetic energy, and survival in the event of an accident is inversely proportional to KE. This is discussed in other threads, but since Andy asked:

KE = 1/2 m v^2

So, KE goes up with mass. That's Strike One.
And, KE goes up with stall speed. That's Strike Two.
But, KE goes up with speed squared. And, stall speed increases with mass anyway, so... Strike Three!

Bottom line: heavier is not without its own risks.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52331#p52331 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:35:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52331#p52331
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52333#p52333
Warmi wrote:Well, one thing it is going to do is to kill the aftermarket for LSAs that can’t be STCed .... :D

That's a very broad stroke of your brush.
I don't think it will make a bit of difference with my CTSW. It has good performance and capability (payload/range) as is.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52333#p52333 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 12:39:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52333#p52333
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52334#p52334
drseti wrote:So, KE goes up with mass. That's Strike One.
And, KE goes up with stall speed. That's Strike Two.
But, KE goes up with speed squared. And, stall speed increases with mass anyway, so... Strike Three!


You don't have to bite, I wasn't goading, just pointing out you have (again rightly) pointed this out whenever weight & stall speed come up.

I agree on strike one and three.

How does Kinetic energy increase with stall speed? Kinetic energy is a function of mass and velocity, and nothing to do with aerodynamics. Stall is an aerodynamic effect. Unless you meant that the higher landing speed means higher energy, which is true...but i think that is captured by strike 3.

QED in any case.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52334#p52334 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 12:55:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52334#p52334
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52335#p52335
Wm.Ince wrote:
Warmi wrote:Well, one thing it is going to do is to kill the aftermarket for LSAs that can’t be STCed .... :D

That's a very broad stroke of your brush.
I don't think it will make a bit of difference with my CTSW. It has good performance and capability (payload/range) as is.


The point here is that if you want to sell your LSA ( for whatever reason ) and there are 10 other LSAs on the market with gross set at , say , 1600 LBS ( some of them even, say, CTLS planes built after the rule was passed ) and your is stuck at 1320 ... well, that's gonna make it that much harder to sell your LSA - the only way you will be able to compete is by lowering the asking price.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52335#p52335 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:02:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52335#p52335
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by c162pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52336#p52336
I assume that to increase weight and keep the stall speed under 45 Kts if the current stall speed is already at 45 kts, would require a re-design of the wing.

Links to information on CS-VLA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EASA_CS-VLA
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/decision_ED_2003_18_RM.pdf page 1-A-1

Interesting there is a Sling 2 variant called the Sonaca 200 built in Belgium that is CS-VLA certified at 750 Kgs vs 700 Kgs in South Africa.
http://www.sonaca-aircraft.com/products/sonaca-200]]>
no_email@example.com (c162pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52336#p52336 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:18:20 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52336#p52336
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52337#p52337
MrMorden wrote:You don't have to bite, I wasn't goading


I wasn't biting, Andy, and didn't think you were goading. :)


How does Kinetic energy increase with stall speed?


It doesn't, directly. But since the great majority of LSA accidents occur during takeoff and landing, at or close to stall speed, I think calculating KE under those conditions is relevant.

i think that is captured by strike 3.


Sort of. But I make the distinction deliberately, to underscore the multiplicative nature of the parameters, leading to a logarithmic relationship. Consider in the KE equation that (m) is Strike One, (v) is Strike Two, and at (^2), You're Out!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52337#p52337 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:27:26 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52337#p52337
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52340#p52340
The point here is that if you want to sell your LSA ( for whatever reason ) and there are 10 other LSAs on the market with gross set at , say , 1600 LBS ( some of them even, say, CTLS planes built after the rule was passed ) and your is stuck at 1320 ... well, that's gonna make it that much harder to sell your LSA - the only way you will be able to compete is by lowering the asking price


For those of use looking for a newer air frame who generally fly alone or with minimal baggage/passenger weight, lower prices might be a desirable outcome! :lol:]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52340#p52340 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:49:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52340#p52340
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52341#p52341
If not, I'd start there and stop blaming the aircraft. :mrgreen:

Paul is right, if you increase the weight limit you have many more issues to think and worry about. Heavier is not without its own risks.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52341#p52341 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:05:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52341#p52341
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Nomore767]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52343#p52343
Wm.Ince wrote:I don't think it will make a bit of difference with my CTSW. It has good performance and capability (payload/range) as is.


Totally agree.
In all my years of flying , from Cherokees to transports, there are few airplanes that offer what most LSAs do for MY mission....retired pilot, fun flying, cost effective, great performance, ease of ownership, room for two but mostly solo, full auto gas fuel giving 3.5 hour range at almost 120kts, high tech glass cockpit, almost no oil consumption, $375 annual, still some room for baggage with full fuel and two folks, all for $14 hr in gas.
I chose the RV-12 SLSA and all of the above applies. I’d bet CTSW and similar LSAs achieve the same or similar.
If I trade up to the new RV-12iS SLSA, not available yet, it offers some improvements but with a probable $35k increase over what I paid for my RV-12 bought new. When/if manufacturers start to design/produce higher weight “light sport” airplanes I’m sure the price will be north of $250k, exactly the opposite of what folks said they wanted before the advent of light sport flying, where simplicity and economy were the watchwords. It isn’t tempting me.

Sure, a revised rule would eliminate owners “forced” to fly overweight in order to gain utility, but it would have to spell out how each model or even each individual airplane may need to be recertifide to fly at the new weight, with new operating speeds and limits. Who foots the bill for this? How long does it take? Will Vashon, for example, pay more $$$ in order to offer its Ranger at 1600-1700lbs?

It would be great to include airplanes such as Cessna 150s as part of light sport. That said, I can’t see anything that would change my current status flying light sport in my RV-12.
Unless I won the lottery!]]>
no_email@example.com (Nomore767) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52343#p52343 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:01:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52343#p52343
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52344#p52344 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52344#p52344 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:23:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52344#p52344 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52346#p52346
Wm.Ince wrote:.....I don't think it will make a bit of difference with my CTSW. It has good performance and capability (payload/range) as is.


Same here with my legacy SportCruiser. I have a 524 pound useful load and her performance and capability are both quite good. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52346#p52346 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:13:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52346#p52346
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by HornedFrogGrant]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52360#p52360
I'd be happy to see the gross weight increased, but I fear that manufacturers would interpret it as a green-light to build heavier empty LSAs. Which would have the practical effect of making the gross weight increase all for naught.

Just my $0.02.]]>
no_email@example.com (HornedFrogGrant) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52360#p52360 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:41:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52360#p52360
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52361#p52361 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52361#p52361 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:54:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52361#p52361 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52362#p52362 I guess a mountable BAR rifle could be handy for an emergency off airfield landing here in Chicago ...

But on a more serious note ... this would most likely be utilized to provide things like chutes , maybe a bit sturdier landing gears ... perhaps a bit heavier engine etc ..]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52362#p52362 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:00:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52362#p52362
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52370#p52370
HornedFrogGrant wrote:So if gross weight increases, what's to stop the typical empty weight of LSAs from creeping upward, due to the perception of more "wiggle room" for optional gadgets and gizmos?

I'd be happy to see the gross weight increased, but I fear that manufacturers would interpret it as a green-light to build heavier empty LSAs. Which would have the practical effect of making the gross weight increase all for naught.

Just my $0.02.


But let's look at a typical "premium" LSA, like a CTLSi or Bristell, decked to the gills with gizmos. Right now a lot of them are around 480-490lb useful load. If they got a 100lb weight bump, what *more* could manufacturers put in them?!? They already have leather seats & trim, dual EFIS/EMS, dual pitot, two axis autopilot, full suite of ADS-B, night lighting, BRS, blah, blah...

What's left to drive the weight up? even if they need a little more for structure at the higher weight, it will still be a strong net plus for useful load.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52370#p52370 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:57:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52370#p52370
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52371#p52371
MrMorden wrote:
But let's look at a typical "premium" LSA, like a CTLSi or Bristell, decked to the gills with gizmos. Right now a lot of them are around 480-490lb useful load. ....


Which reminds me of my quest - my Sting has a chute but is not decked out with gizmos yet I still end up with only 485 LBS useful load ... my current theory is a chunk of lead somebody cleverly hidden somewhere on board... either have to find it or wait for the FAA to get the change thru.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52371#p52371 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:38:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52371#p52371
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52372#p52372
Warmi wrote:Which reminds me of my quest - my Sting has a chute but is not decked out with gizmos yet I still end up with only 485 LBS useful load ... my current theory is a chunk of lead somebody cleverly hidden somewhere on board... either have to find it or wait for the FAA to get the change thru.


That does seem weird, I thought most Stings have 520-550lb useful. As delivered, at least.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52372#p52372 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:56:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52372#p52372
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jack Pelton comments on LSA weight restrictions :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52389#p52389
Warmi wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
But let's look at a typical "premium" LSA, like a CTLSi or Bristell, decked to the gills with gizmos. Right now a lot of them are around 480-490lb useful load. ....


Which reminds me of my quest - my Sting has a chute but is not decked out with gizmos yet I still end up with only 485 LBS useful load ... my current theory is a chunk of lead somebody cleverly hidden somewhere on board... either have to find it or wait for the FAA to get the change thru.


Your Sting seems like it does pretty well with a ‘chute. My Sportcruiser (without a BRS) gives 511.9 pounds useful load. If it had a BRS (guessing about 50 pounds “all-in”), I’d be down to 461.9 pounds of useful load.]]>
no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52389#p52389 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:53:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5133&p=52389#p52389
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Kitfox STi 915 iS :: Reply by jetcat3]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5112&p=52393#p52393
The engine is good for 145-147 HP, which is nice to know even though they have it certified at 141 HP max. Kitfox was able to get to 17,990ft coming to the show and the Aquila which was used by Rotax as their man test bed reached 32,000ft. Very impressive indeed!]]>
no_email@example.com (jetcat3) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5112&p=52393#p52393 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:04:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5112&p=52393#p52393
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52288#p52288
MrMorden wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:2000 pounds? Why not 6000 pounds? At what point would they decide you need a medical or Basic Med? Any significant change to LSA should be accompanied by an total reevaluation of the Sport Pilot certificate. When is 20 hours of training no long enough?


Personally, I would say never, I don’t think class three medicals serve a useful purpose for light aircraft. Once again...opinions.

BTW, the Sport Pilot has to accomplish every task on their checkride that a Private Pilot does, with the exception of radio navigation.


I agree too for what it is worth...

Could never understand why I need a Basic Medical or higher to touch a Propeller Control. Or why I can fly a Glider or an LSA amphibian with retractable gear but Never in an LSA landplane.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52288#p52288 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:38:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52288#p52288
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52291#p52291
Jim Hardin wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:2000 pounds? Why not 6000 pounds? At what point would they decide you need a medical or Basic Med? Any significant change to LSA should be accompanied by an total reevaluation of the Sport Pilot certificate. When is 20 hours of training no long enough?


Personally, I would say never, I don’t think class three medicals serve a useful purpose for light aircraft. Once again...opinions.

BTW, the Sport Pilot has to accomplish every task on their checkride that a Private Pilot does, with the exception of radio navigation.


I agree too for what it is worth...

Could never understand why I need a Basic Medical or higher to touch a Propeller Control. Or why I can fly a Glider or an LSA amphibian with retractable gear but Never in an LSA landplane.


Well, if the powers that be decide that a distinction needs to be made between Sport Pilot and PP certificates or between LS planes
and certified planes, they have to come up with some kind of criteria for that and , well, sometime these are completely arbitrarily invented just to justify the original distinction - or at least often seems that way :)]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52291#p52291 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:52:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52291#p52291
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52296#p52296 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52296#p52296 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:38:28 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52296#p52296 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52342#p52342
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:Ill believe it when its in print. That said, while out in LA the week before last, there was talk on the very subject of this thread. It was stated that a ruling on the subject of weight could come during OSH. Again, I gotta see it to believe it.


I'm with you, this has been discussed since 2004, and nothing has come of it. That said, there does seem to be increased chatter in the last six months or so from "insiders" stating that is happening, or at least a consideration at FAA. Time will tell!]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52342#p52342 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:50:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52342#p52342
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52345#p52345 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52345#p52345 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:42:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52345#p52345 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52347#p52347
dstclair wrote:Around 10 years ago, Evektor allowed an increase in the MTOW (to 1320lbs) of their existing fleet by adding VGs -- right, Paul?


That's correct, Dave, but it was a multi-step process. The Evektor EuroStar preceeded the US LSA rule. It would not pass the 45 KCAS clean stall speed US requirement at a 1320 MTOW, but of course stall speed varies with weight. So for the US market, Evektor set the MTOW to 1268 and branded it the SportStar. A couple of years later, they introduced the SportStar Max, a SportStar with just enough VGs added to pass the stall speed requirement at 1320. Still later, they came up with a mod kit and service bulletin, allowing one to convert a SportStar to a Max just by adding VGs, and having a new Airworthiness Certificate issued by the local FSDO. Most of the original SportStars have now been upgraded to the Max.

As for cost, you're right, Evektor charged for the upgrade. A set of VGs would cost $200. But since you're converting from one model to another, you also need a new data plate, Maintenance manual, Aircraft Operating Instructions, and Operating Limitations sheet. So, they made up a very complete kit (they even included decals saying "Max" to add to the cowling, and four rivets for installing the new data plate). The cost was around $2000.

I'm pretty sure most of the extra $1800 went to the corporate lawyers. Increased liability and all that...]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52347#p52347 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:43:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52347#p52347
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52351#p52351
skyleader wrote:Can anyone share insight into the possibility the FAA will increase speed &/or weight limits for LSAs in the near future? IMO, it seems illogical to handicap these excellent aircraft at such low, artificially-limited restrictions. Such a move would open a new venue for LSA sales for those of us who like to fly cross country.


Here is the latest from Airventure...

https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/L ... 209-1.html]]>
no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52351#p52351 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:28:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52351#p52351
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52352#p52352
dstclair wrote:If the MTOW is ever increased, I believe there is an S-LSA mechanism to increase the gross weight. Around 10 years ago, Evektor allowed an increase in the MTOW (to 1320lbs) of their existing fleet by adding VGs -- right, Paul? I would extrapolate that an S-LSA manufacturer could issue some type of document in the same manner, even if no changes were required to the particular airplane. I would also guess that they would charge for the re-certification.


If offered, would you even consider paying ,say , 2k for the re-certification of your Sting to , say, 1500 lbs and the ability to install a constant prop ?

Just curious ...]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52352#p52352 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:57:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52352#p52352
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52353#p52353 If the aircraft is registered as an LSA, the MTOGW is limited to 1320 lbs.
But if the airplane is registered as an E-AB, its MTOGW is 1540 lbs.
All 3 airplanes are identical in basic construction.

Here's the question:

If the airplane is built and registered under LSA rules (MTOGW 1320 lbs.), but subsequently, a weight limit increase (let's say 1540 lbs.) is initiated for LSA's, under FAR's, what would be the chances of obtaining an increase in the weight limit to 1540 lbs, since the airframe is built to those specs to begin with?]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52353#p52353 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:09:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52353#p52353
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52354#p52354
Warmi wrote:
dstclair wrote:If the MTOW is ever increased, I believe there is an S-LSA mechanism to increase the gross weight. Around 10 years ago, Evektor allowed an increase in the MTOW (to 1320lbs) of their existing fleet by adding VGs -- right, Paul? I would extrapolate that an S-LSA manufacturer could issue some type of document in the same manner, even if no changes were required to the particular airplane. I would also guess that they would charge for the re-certification.


If offered, would you even consider paying ,say , 2k for the re-certification of your Sting to , say, 1500 lbs and the ability to install a constant prop ?

Just curious ...

MTOW increase -- no, I wouldn't pay to recertify my particular plane. I've stated a few times in this forum that my S3 allows me to have a full tank, my wife, myself and ~60lbs of stuff which meets my mission. An increase in MTOW would not increase my utility.

Constant speed, or more likely variable pitch prop -- probably, depending on the $$$. But would not bother with doing the upgrade until it was time to replace or, perhaps, overhaul my DUC prop.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52354#p52354 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:14:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52354#p52354
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52356#p52356
Wm.Ince wrote:If the airplane is built and registered under LSA rules (MTOGW 1320 lbs.), but subsequently, a weight limit increase (let's say 1540 lbs.) is initiated for LSA's, under FAR's, what would be the chances of obtaining an increase in the weight limit to 1540 lbs, since the airframe is built to those specs to begin with?


That's the 220 pound question, Bill. We just don't know how the FARs, Service Bulletins, Letters of Authorization, and ASTM Standards are going to align (if at all).

We also don't know how upgrading the MGTW is going to impact compliance with other ASTM LSA restrictions (such as Vh and Vso).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52356#p52356 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:17:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52356#p52356
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52357#p52357
dstclair wrote:Constant speed, or more likely variable pitch prop -- probably, depending on the $$$. But would not bother with doing the upgrade until it was time to replace or, perhaps, overhaul my DUC prop.


If you have the DUC Swirl prop, its blade flexibility already gives you many of the advantages of a constant speed prop, while remaining within LSA restrictions. Probably nothing to be gained by upgrading.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52357#p52357 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:23:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52357#p52357
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52363#p52363
Wm.Ince wrote:Just for the sake of discussion . . . the Sling 2 can be built and registered as S-LSA, E-LSA or E-AB.
If the aircraft is registered as an LSA, the MTOGW is limited to 1320 lbs.
But if the airplane is registered as an E-AB, its MTOGW is 1540 lbs.
All 3 airplanes are identical in basic construction.

Here's the question:

If the airplane is built and registered under LSA rules (MTOGW 1320 lbs.), but subsequently, a weight limit increase (let's say 1540 lbs.) is initiated for LSA's, under FAR's, what would be the chances of obtaining an increase in the weight limit to 1540 lbs, since the airframe is built to those specs to begin with?


Question asked, question answered. The Airplane Factory has stated, that they would approve the change in weight for the Sling, should the FAA up the weight limit.]]>
no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52363#p52363 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:42:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52363#p52363
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52364#p52364
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:
. . . "The Airplane Factory has stated, that they would approve the change in weight for the Sling, should the FAA up the weight limit."

Can you provide us with a verifiable reference for that?]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52364#p52364 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:54:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52364#p52364
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52365#p52365
Wm.Ince wrote:
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:
. . . "The Airplane Factory has stated, that they would approve the change in weight for the Sling, should the FAA up the weight limit."

Can you provide us with a verifiable reference for that?


Bill, the topic came up two weeks ago, when I was in CA taking delivery of my Sling.]]>
no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52365#p52365 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 07:40:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52365#p52365
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52366#p52366
drseti wrote:
dstclair wrote:Constant speed, or more likely variable pitch prop -- probably, depending on the $$$. But would not bother with doing the upgrade until it was time to replace or, perhaps, overhaul my DUC prop.


If you have the DUC Swirl prop, its blade flexibility already gives you many of the advantages of a constant speed prop, while remaining within LSA restrictions. Probably nothing to be gained by upgrading.
True -- I realized around 5-7 kts increase in cruise when I upgraded to the DUC prop so a true variable pitch prop would probably push me beyond current limits and not be that cost effective.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52366#p52366 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:30:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52366#p52366
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52367#p52367
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:
Wm.Ince wrote:
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:. . . "The Airplane Factory has stated, that they would approve the change in weight for the Sling, should the FAA up the weight limit."
Can you provide us with a verifiable reference for that?
. . . the topic came up two weeks ago, when I was in CA taking delivery of my Sling.

Who at "The Airplane Factory" stated, "they would approve the change in weight for the Sling, should the FAA up the weight limit?"]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52367#p52367 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:14:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52367#p52367
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52368#p52368
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:
skyleader wrote:Can anyone share insight into the possibility the FAA will increase speed &/or weight limits for LSAs in the near future? IMO, it seems illogical to handicap these excellent aircraft at such low, artificially-limited restrictions. Such a move would open a new venue for LSA sales for those of us who like to fly cross country.


Here is the latest from Airventure...

https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/L ... 209-1.html


It's kind of weird that the "4 year process is halfway complete", but nobody outside of the FAA and maybe EAA have even seen the proposed rules yet. It all seems very cloak and dagger, almost like they are trying to pull one over on somebody who's not paying attention. Time will tell whether that somebody is the old guard at the FAA or us.

It's interesting that weight is not alone on the possible list of edits. Stall speed? Max speed? Complex features? Who knows. I'm also curious if edits to the SP rating are coming too. None are really needed if they change LSA definitions, since SP's (and PP's flying under SP rules) can by definition fly any LSA (in a category they are trained for). I'm still pining for a night flying endorsement for SPs, though.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52368#p52368 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:33:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52368#p52368
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52369#p52369
I wonder if any proposed weight change is an FAA acknowledgement that many LSA out there are flying over gross, and the FAA is trying to make compliance easier so that at least not so many people are flying over gross without any engineering done to see if it's safe for their airplane. Plus being able to capture all the 150s/152s out there for training makes LSA and the SP rating much more attractive, rather than having to fly halfway around the country to find somebody that can train you.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52369#p52369 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:47:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52369#p52369
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: LAMA: Higher LSA Weight Good for the Industry :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52378#p52378
https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/LAMA-Higher-LSA-Weight-Good-for-the-Industry-231227-1.html]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52378#p52378 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:13:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52378#p52378
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52379#p52379 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52379#p52379 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:24:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52379#p52379 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52387#p52387
TimTaylor wrote:I'll volunteer to purchase a C150/152 if they will let me be a "test case" for the effect of increased MTOW on safety. That seems only fair since I missed out on Basic Med by only 45 days.


I feel you. I'd like to see the ten year "you have to have a medical to fly without a medical" catch-22 go away, it reminds me of the deal where if you can't pass a medical you can't fly, but if you know you are sick as hell and never try to get a medical, you can.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52387#p52387 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:39:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52387#p52387
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Nomore767]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52402#p52402
MrMorden wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:I'll volunteer to purchase a C150/152 if they will let me be a "test case" for the effect of increased MTOW on safety. That seems only fair since I missed out on Basic Med by only 45 days.


I feel you. I'd like to see the ten year "you have to have a medical to fly without a medical" catch-22 go away, it reminds me of the deal where if you can't pass a medical you can't fly, but if you know you are sick as hell and never try to get a medical, you can.


I think its not about having NO medical but more about establishing a baseline from which the FAA is happy for you to go forward from that point. Trust but verify? Pilots said that they were medically safe to fly but didn't want the hassle and expense of 'regular' FAA medicals. The recent changes meet that.

Similarly, the Driver's License "medical" whilst being pretty basic does still require you to meet vision and certain health standards as well as having a good record with respect to DUI etc]]>
no_email@example.com (Nomore767) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52402#p52402 Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:42:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52402#p52402
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by Turn & Slip Inn]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52425#p52425
Here’s a different perspective regarding expanding the weights/performance of LSA aircraft: from outside the airfield fence. As a former glider pilot looking at obtaining a sport pilot certificate the availability of aircraft remains a major barrier in parts of the country.

For example, established flight schools in my area (Omaha, Nebraska) currently do not offer sport pilot training, unless you have your own aircraft. At last check the nearest sport pilot program with aircraft available for rent (Iowa Flight Training) is located in Cedar Rapids, Iowa; that’s a roundtrip of approximately 550 miles. Imagine for a moment you wanted to learn to fly, but you had to drive an 8-hour roundtrip for each lesson.

By expanding the weights/performance criteria to include aircraft such as the Cessna 140/150/152, Piper Tomahawk or Diamond DA20 more existing flight schools would be able to offer sport pilot training and services. In addition, the USAF aero clubs may consider offering the sport pilot training to service members. In my case, such a change would provide at least four flight schools an opportunity to expand their training programs to include light sport.

Several have mentioned the safety aspects of allowing an increase in the weights/performance of LSA aircraft. Others within this forum have briefly touched upon the benefits of standardized weights/performance with our European counterparts. Each has a valid point worthy of further discussion and detailed examination.

From my perspective, looking from outside the airfield fence, changing the weights/performance criteria to include more existing aircraft is logical. Such changes can only serve to improve general aviation and potentially grow the number of individuals within the sport using existing resources.]]>
no_email@example.com (Turn & Slip Inn) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52425#p52425 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:19:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52425#p52425
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Increasing speed/weight limits for LSA? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52426#p52426 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52426#p52426 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:22:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5120&p=52426#p52426 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Jabiru SP Vs D :: Author Lpj470]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5140&p=52518#p52518
New comer her and student sport Pilot.
I'm taking my lessons in a Jabiru 170SP.
My pipe dream is to buy a Jabiru 230.
My question is for those who have flowen the 230 how much difference is there between the SP and D models?
What are the main handling differences?
Is it worth Spending more on the newer D?
I've also heard of some issues with the Jabiru engines.
Something about through bolts and overheating chts (although the overheating may be Jabiru engines in non-jabiru planes).

Any and all information would be most appreciated!!!

Thanks]]>
no_email@example.com (Lpj470) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5140&p=52518#p52518 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 11:55:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5140&p=52518#p52518
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Jabiru SP Vs D :: Reply by rsteele]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5140&p=52520#p52520
A Jab is certainly a compelling plane for a lot of people. I personally found the seats too narrow to be usable, but that's just me. You have to love the "overbuiltness" of a 4 placer that's converted to a 2 placer.

Good luck with your training.]]>
no_email@example.com (rsteele) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5140&p=52520#p52520 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:40:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5140&p=52520#p52520
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: LSA IFR/IMC :: Author dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52631#p52631 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52631#p52631 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:09:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52631#p52631 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: LSA IFR/IMC :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52633#p52633 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52633#p52633 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:44:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52633#p52633 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: LSA IFR/IMC :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52634#p52634
3Dreaming wrote:Swap out your com radio with something like a Garmin 430, and add a CDI. That should be all you would need.

And/or add an IFR certified GPS. I would probably do both. Once you take of in IFR conditions, you don't always know what kind of clearance and/or approach you might need.

I guess a Garmin 430 IS both. That's what my friend put in his Mooney, but it was after I was no longer flying it.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52634#p52634 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:05:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52634#p52634
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: LSA IFR/IMC :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52646#p52646
The pilot must be Private Pilot or greater With an instrument rating and current :wink:]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52646#p52646 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:09:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52646#p52646
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: LSA IFR/IMC :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52650#p52650
Jim Hardin wrote:Just one thing to note. These are the requirement for the aircraft only!

The pilot must be Private Pilot or greater With an instrument rating and current :wink:

Of course.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52650#p52650 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:51:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5145&p=52650#p52650
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Author c162pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52412#p52412
What I learnt from the CEO of a S-LSA and E-LSA manufacturer is that if planes are tested now to higher weights during design, certification and manufacture and certified now at 600 Kgs then they will be able to be re-certified at the higher weight when announced as long as they can demonstrate compliance to the new standards what ever they may be. A good example this would be the Sling 2 as it is currently tested and certified in South Africa to 700 Kgs but de-rated in the USA to 600 Kgs.

However none of this is likely to happen any time soon. The NRPM should be out in about 6 months (perhaps around the time of Sun 'n Fun) and then it will take another 18 months or so to become regulation. Also there as no mention on how this impacts Sport Pilot License.

Regardless in my opinion in general this is good for the LSA aircraft industry.]]>
no_email@example.com (c162pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52412#p52412 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:42:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52412#p52412
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52413#p52413 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52413#p52413 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 20:56:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52413#p52413 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52414#p52414
The changes to LSA should not affect the SP license, other than to allow SPs to fly airplanes captured by the new regs. Since the definition of SP is one who can fly LSA, it would require quite a contortionist re-imagining of the SP rating to outright exclude some LSA from that rating. However, what might happen is that there could be an endorsement to fly airplanes of a gross more than 1320, or Vh more than 120KCAS, or stall greater than 45KCAS, or whatever performance metric, in the same way there is an endorsement for a SP to fly airplanes with Vh greater than 87KCAS.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52414#p52414 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:20:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52414#p52414
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52415#p52415
MrMorden wrote:Thanks for the info.

The changes to LSA should not affect the SP license, other than to allow SPs to fly airplanes captured by the new regs. Since the definition of SP is one who can fly LSA, it would require quite a contortionist re-imagining of the SP rating to outright exclude some LSA from that rating. However, what might happen is that there could be an endorsement to fly airplanes of a gross more than 1320, or Vh more than 120KCAS, or stall greater than 45KCAS, or whatever performance metric, in the same way there is an endorsement for a SP to fly airplanes with Vh greater than 87KCAS.


All good points Andy and I agree with you. If/when it happens I believe that it'll be another endorsement in your log book if you choose to do so. Whatever changes come in the future it won't affect me as I'll still be flying my E-LSA SportCruiser around.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52415#p52415 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:53:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52415#p52415
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52416#p52416 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52416#p52416 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 19:29:11 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52416#p52416 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52417#p52417
I remember reading about folks driving hundred+ miles for a lesson ... so ,while nowhere near as accessible as for PP certified pilots, we don’t have it that bad.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52417#p52417 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 19:39:30 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52417#p52417
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Turn & Slip Inn]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52420#p52420
For example, established flight schools in my area (Omaha, Nebraska) currently do not offer sport pilot training, unless you have your own aircraft. At last check the nearest sport pilot program with aircraft available for rent (Iowa Flight Training) is located in Cedar Rapids, Iowa; that’s a roundtrip of approximately 550 miles. Imagine for a moment you wanted to learn to fly, but you had to drive an 8-hour roundtrip for each lesson.

By expanding the weights/performance criteria to include aircraft such as the Cessna 140/150/152, Piper Tomahawk or Diamond DA20 more existing flight schools would be able to offer sport pilot training and services. In addition, the USAF aero clubs may consider offering the sport pilot training to service members. In my case, such a change would provide at least four flight schools an opportunity to expand their training programs to include light sport.

Several have mentioned the safety aspects of allowing an increase in the weights/performance of LSA aircraft. Others within this forum have briefly touched upon the benefits of standardized weights/performance with our European counterparts. Each has a valid point worthy of further discussion and detailed examination.

From my perspective, looking from outside the airfield fence, changing the weights/performance criteria to include more existing aircraft is logical. Such changes can only serve to improve general aviation and potentially grow the number of individuals within the sport using existing resources.]]>
no_email@example.com (Turn & Slip Inn) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52420#p52420 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 11:24:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52420#p52420
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52430#p52430
Turn & Slip Inn wrote:Such changes can only serve to improve general aviation and potentially grow the number of individuals within the sport using existing resources.


I agree entirely. However, our objectives (improving GA, growing the pilot population) and the FAA's mandate (reducing number of accidents) do not exactly coincide.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52430#p52430 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:02:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52430#p52430
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52432#p52432
drseti wrote:. . . our objectives (improving GA, growing the pilot population) and the FAA's mandate (reducing number of accidents) do not exactly coincide.

I do not find those mutually exclusive.
Just because we improve GA and pilot numbers . . . that does not mean we can't reduce the accident Rate.
If the objective was to reduce "accident numbers," then getting rid of all GA airplanes and pilots would certainly accomplish that.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52432#p52432 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:16:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52432#p52432
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52437#p52437 all aviation accidents -- well, we all know how that could be accomplished. :(]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52437#p52437 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:06:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52437#p52437 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Mark Gregor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52439#p52439 Although the mathematic equation you suggest makes sense on paper I’m not seeing it play out in the real world.
If it did wouldn’t we be seeing higher accident and death rates in the heavier aircraft?

The LSA accident record is not bad the heavier and higher stall speed in the 152s, 172s, warriors etc are even better not worse.

Mark Gregor]]>
no_email@example.com (Mark Gregor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52439#p52439 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:32:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52439#p52439
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52440#p52440 rate in LSAs is no better than for the GA fleet as a whole. But they result in much lower severity, in terms of injury or deaths. So, when you consider life and limb, the LSA constraints are indeed successful at improving safety.]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52440#p52440 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:51:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52440#p52440 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52441#p52441 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52441#p52441 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 19:14:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52441#p52441 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52442#p52442
TimTaylor wrote:I would rather make an off-airport landing in a SkyCatcher than in a B747.


That's exactly what the KE equation implies. :)]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52442#p52442 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 19:22:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52442#p52442
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52443#p52443
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:I would rather make an off-airport landing in a SkyCatcher than in a B747.


That's exactly what the KE equation implies. :)

Exactly why I posted it.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52443#p52443 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:03:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52443#p52443
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Mark Gregor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52444#p52444 Their findings did not show LSAs to have lower death rates. A few were lower but some slightly higher. You may want to check it out. Looks like they were pretty thorough considering the Data available. Based on real life data I dont think we can say lighter aircraft are safer.

Mark]]>
no_email@example.com (Mark Gregor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52444#p52444 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 23:52:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52444#p52444
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52445#p52445 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52445#p52445 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 00:06:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52445#p52445 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52446#p52446
There are many ways to cherry-pick data to get any result you wish. If, for example, Aviation Consumer just compared C150/C152 accidents to some LSAs, they may well have gotten that result. I used a 10-year NTSB data dump, comparing all GA to all LSA accidents. YMMV.

That said, I'll quote our friend Bruce Landsberg (just approved by the Senate for a term on the NTSB, btw): "some Sacred Cows make great hamburger." The sacred cow that heavier is safer just might be one of those.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52446#p52446 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 07:24:22 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52446#p52446
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52449#p52449
All of recreational aviation is about risk acceptance, and not risk avoidance. If we wanted to avoid risk, we'd sit on our couches wrapped in our Snuggies watching Netflix. We accept the risks that aviation brings, in order to enjoy the perceived benefits of the hobby. In that regard, it's not unlike riding motorcycles. But unlike motorcycle riders, pilots are in control of the vast majority of major risks to their safety. So then the question becomes: "what level of risk am I willing to accept?"

The old adage "it's a poor mechanic that blames his tools" loosely applies here. I think we focus way too much on the hardware, and how fast is safe,and how heavy is safe, etc. Clearly, there are very safe flights conducted daily in airplanes that do 250kt, stall at 90kt, and weigh 6000lb. So the issue is really not the tool, it's the mechanic. We should be focusing on education and proper decision making such that we don't put ourselves in situations where the airplane can bite us.

You will never be killed flying through thunderstorms if you never fly through thunderstorms. You will never have a base-final stall/spin if you properly manage your speed, bank angle, and wind corrections in the pattern. Make good decisions, and manage your own risk! If we do that, the accident rate goes way down and we don't have to concern ourselves so much with whether the airplane can do 120kt to 180kt, whether it weighs 1320lb or 1500lb, and whether it stalls at 45kt or 55kt. If we learn to both fly the airplane and manage our risk properly, those minor differences become much less of a determinant in accident statistics.

Of course the unforeseen can happen -- if the engine decides to shed two of four cylinders while you are sightseeing over the Rocky Mountains, you are without a doubt 90% screwed. Are you less screwed in an airplane that weighs next to nothing and stalls at very low speed, than a 3000lb rocket that stalls at 80kt? Probably. But you accept that risk when you buy the rocket. I'd rather get to decide what risks I will accept than have others do it for me through regulations.

Pilots who don't manage risk well will continue to die no matter what you put them in, a Cirrus or a Belite. Pilots who practice good risk management and use common sense will continue to live to ripe old age and enjoy aviation until they finally decide to hang up their spurs. No limits imposed by any agency will change that, until the FARs say humans aren't allowed to touch the controls and only the computers can fly.

Again, this is entirely my opinion and I take sole responsibility for its content. If you don't like it, post your own! :D]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52449#p52449 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 09:38:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52449#p52449
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52453#p52453
Just like to say that was a well thought out post, and I concur.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52453#p52453 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:30:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52453#p52453
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52454#p52454 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52454#p52454 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:34:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52454#p52454 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52457#p52457 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52457#p52457 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:06:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52457#p52457 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52459#p52459 no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52459#p52459 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 18:09:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52459#p52459 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52486#p52486 no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52486#p52486 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 21:05:22 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52486#p52486 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52493#p52493 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52493#p52493 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 20:25:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52493#p52493 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52494#p52494
MrMorden wrote:Again, this is entirely my opinion and I take sole responsibility for its content. If you don't like it, post your own! :D


Andy, the vote appears unanimous. You speak for us all!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52494#p52494 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 20:29:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52494#p52494
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52502#p52502 no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52502#p52502 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:19:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52502#p52502 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by Andrew G]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52596#p52596
A friend took me up last week and he immediately dialed in Flight Following - the flight was short, the day was beautiful. At first, I thought "why bother?" and as I listened and understood what the service was all about I couldn't believe that we had eyes in the sky so to speak who will watch out for us in a busy Northeastern USA corridor. Several times the FF official professionally warned us about incoming traffic, we adjusted, the other guy adjusted and sure enough there was the silver streak passing 500 feet below us. And yet, many fellow pilots don't use the service. The countless videos on the net about density altitude dangers, CG and "you too can stall at any speed and in any config" should give every pilot some learning pause and brush up. When I was flying at the age of 17, 40 years ago, I was young and had a "that won't happen to me" attitude and I did study hard -- to pass the PPL exam.

I don't know about you folks, but I am not ever "lucky" or terribly smart. So I rely on good planning, knowledge and training to achieve things. I know a lot of pilots who feel that way too. And I very much want to be a safe pilot. I may not make it to Oshkosh '19, but I am certainly going to work hard at it. Thank you for the good post.]]>
no_email@example.com (Andrew G) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52596#p52596 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:50:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52596#p52596
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52597#p52597 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52597#p52597 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:02:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52597#p52597 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by RBearden56]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52678#p52678
Randall Bearden
Alpharetta GA
Sport Pilot, RLSI]]>
no_email@example.com (RBearden56) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52678#p52678 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:47:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52678#p52678
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Update on LSA limits from Oshkosh :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52690#p52690
RBearden56 wrote:This is very good news for our sport. I have been flying around in my Allegro 2000 ELSA that was originally rated at 1232 lb MTOW so a little heavier airplane would suit me fine. There are so many good Cessna, Pipers, and Beech's around that would great for sport pilots and flight schools. I appreciated Andy's statement and couldn't agree more. I have had my share of bumpy windy days that challenged both me and my instructor and really they help me be a better, safer pilot. They taught us how to keep our heads, think issues through, and not take un-needed risks.

Randall Bearden
Alpharetta GA
Sport Pilot, RLSI


Hey Randall, how do you like the Allegro? I always thought from what I saw that that airplane was a bit underrated. Well built, fairly roomy, lightweight and good useful load. The only thing I don't like it it appears to have almost no baggage space.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52690#p52690 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:18:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5136&p=52690#p52690
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by cogito]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52548#p52548
-Craig]]>
no_email@example.com (cogito) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52548#p52548 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:50:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52548#p52548
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52549#p52549 ]]> no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52549#p52549 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:38:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52549#p52549 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52550#p52550 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52550#p52550 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:10:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52550#p52550 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by comperini]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52554#p52554 no_email@example.com (comperini) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52554#p52554 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:04:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52554#p52554 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52555#p52555 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52555#p52555 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:07:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52555#p52555 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by comperini]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52556#p52556
Warmi wrote:Where does it state that I have to identify my plane as light sport the way experimentals do ?


If your plane is registered in the S-LSA category, the operating limits assigned to that plane say so, if that op limit was assigned.]]>
no_email@example.com (comperini) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52556#p52556 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:31:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52556#p52556
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52557#p52557
comperini wrote:Experimental Op limits state that you must use the word "Experimental" when talking to ATC.


I believe that’s only on initial contact with each facility.

Other than that, I call my E-LSA “Sky Arrow” followed by the call sign.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52557#p52557 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:03:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52557#p52557
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by comperini]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52558#p52558
FastEddieB wrote:I believe that’s only on initial contact with each facility.


I agree.

Also, I notice that the FAA has seriously revamped FAA Order 8130.2. Apparently, the latest version is 8130.2J. Unless I missed it, I don't see the similar op limit being required for S-LSAs any more. So, maybe that is no longer a requirement. Heck, I couldn't even find the same op limit for Experimentals any more.]]>
no_email@example.com (comperini) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52558#p52558 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:11:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52558#p52558
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52559#p52559
On my Sky Arrow, see #21:

Image

So, just control towers. Though it may come up elsewhere on the FAR’s.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52559#p52559 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:59:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52559#p52559
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52560#p52560 no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52560#p52560 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 13:20:45 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52560#p52560 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52573#p52573
I'll often get asked for my aircraft identifier and say "Charlie Hotel Six Zero" which is the ICAO identifier for the Zenith Zodiac models. More often than not ATC will then call me out to other traffic as a helicopter (Sikorsky makes several helicopter models like the Knighthawk and Blackhawk with the ICAO identifier H60). They also sometimes call me "Kodiak Nxxxxx." In both cases I have to correct them trying to inject some humor while doing it.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52573#p52573 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:00:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52573#p52573
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52577#p52577 Greenville Approach: "SkyCatcher N12345 Greenville Approach."
Me: "SkyCatcher 345 is a C162 over Clemson at 5500 landing Downtown Greenville with Charlie."
Greenville Approach: "SkyCatcher 345 squawk 1234."
Me: No response. Just enter the squawk code.
Greenville Approach: "SkyCatcher 345 radar contact 1nm east of Clemson airport, altimeter 30.04."
Me: "30.04, 345."]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52577#p52577 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:11:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52577#p52577
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52585#p52585
Things like Remos 525AB or Flight Design 525AB or Allegro 525AB or Sting 525AB are more telling and appropriate. Just because a controller hasn't caught up yet with what's going on doesn't mean we can't educate them. This also makes it easier to look up the type of aircraft in their books.]]>
no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52585#p52585 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:47:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52585#p52585
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52586#p52586 ]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52586#p52586 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 10:09:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52586#p52586 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52587#p52587 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52587#p52587 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:58:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52587#p52587 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52589#p52589
dstclair wrote:more likely, just '95L' on further communications.


Just remember that when talking to ATC, the FARs permit you to abbreviate your call sign only if they initiate if. If the controller responds with your full callsign, you have to use that in all subsequent communications (until he or she gets lazy).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52589#p52589 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:05:26 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52589#p52589
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by cogito]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52590#p52590 no_email@example.com (cogito) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52590#p52590 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:09:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52590#p52590 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52591#p52591 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52591#p52591 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:14:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52591#p52591 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by cogito]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52592#p52592
drseti wrote:
dstclair wrote:more likely, just '95L' on further communications.


Just remember that when talking to ATC, the FARs permit you to abbreviate your call sign only if they initiate if. If the controller responds with your full callsign, you have to use that in all subsequent communications (until he or she gets lazy).


Was reading, “Radio Mastery for IFR Pilots” this weekend. The author concurs with you but also wrote that ATC training manuals stipulate ATC can only abbreviate a call sign when a pilot abbreviates his call sign first.]]>
no_email@example.com (cogito) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52592#p52592 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:15:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52592#p52592
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by cogito]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52593#p52593
drseti wrote:Just out of curiosity, in what IFR approved LSA?

Sorry Paul, you got me. I meant to write, “I flew four practice approaches...”]]>
no_email@example.com (cogito) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52593#p52593 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:18:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52593#p52593
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52595#p52595
cogito wrote:The author concurs with you but also wrote that ATC training manuals stipulate ATC can only abbreviate a call sign when a pilot abbreviates his call sign first.


Dang - the AIM says just the opposite! Clearly, this is a clever gambit to ensure that everyone will use full callsigns, thus cluttering up the frequencies.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52595#p52595 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:00:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52595#p52595
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52645#p52645
I make contact with full call sign then make and last 3 from there on. If they don't like it, they will say so.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52645#p52645 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:06:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52645#p52645
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52653#p52653 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52653#p52653 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:21:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52653#p52653 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52660#p52660
"Experimental 509CT is type FDCT" because I know if I just say experimental they will ask my my designator. They did the same thing when my airplane was SLSA and I used to call myself "Flight Design 509CT".]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52660#p52660 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 10:01:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52660#p52660
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52694#p52694
They just couldn’t believe that an aircraft with that number didn’t burn kerosene :)]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52694#p52694 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 08:49:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52694#p52694
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52698#p52698 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52698#p52698 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:18:30 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52698#p52698 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52699#p52699
TimTaylor wrote:Does anyone know the correct designation for a Remos GX? Nothing I try does ATC recognize.


According to the FAA Order JO 7360.1 dated September 2015 it's GX. The only other Remos designator is G3.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52699#p52699 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:50:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52699#p52699
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52700#p52700
ShawnM wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Does anyone know the correct designation for a Remos GX? Nothing I try does ATC recognize.


According to the FAA Order JO 7360.1 dated September 2015 it's GX. The only other Remos designator is G3.


Thanks. I don't remember if I tried that or not. I know they didn't like RGX. I'll try GX next time.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52700#p52700 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:57:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52700#p52700
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52701#p52701
ME: Little Rock Approach, Light Sport Sting 595L at...…..
LR Approach: Sting 95L, radar contact...….]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52701#p52701 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 16:40:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52701#p52701
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by JJay]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52714#p52714
dstclair wrote:FWIW. On arriving in Little Rock, AR:

ME: Little Rock Approach, Light Sport Sting 595L at...…..
LR Approach: Sting 95L, radar contact...….


Well, I'm not surprised. A lot of Stings fly in and out of Little Rock. But that would be about the only place I'd announce as "Sting". I wouldn't assume any controller knows all the different names of LSA's. I think they see them all pretty much similar in speed to the smaller Cessnas and Pipers.

When I flew a Cherokee 140, I'd just announce as "Cherokee 1234J". No controller ever asked me which model of Cherokee. I think they see them as all the same.]]>
no_email@example.com (JJay) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52714#p52714 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:04:20 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52714#p52714
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52719#p52719
TimTaylor wrote:Does anyone know the correct designation for a Remos GX? Nothing I try does ATC recognize.

ShawnM is right. It's simply GX.

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no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52719#p52719 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:49:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52719#p52719
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52721#p52721 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52721#p52721 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:53:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=52721#p52721 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by drdehave]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52704#p52704 ]]> no_email@example.com (drdehave) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52704#p52704 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 23:28:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52704#p52704 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52706#p52706 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52706#p52706 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:19:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52706#p52706 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by drdehave]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52707#p52707 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N ... UTF8&psc=1

Something odd, here, and why I say it may be in the Sting's DNA (some electrical issue): the batteries I pull out and replace always test out just fine on the bench! So, I have lots of used ones sitting around--for some future use!]]>
no_email@example.com (drdehave) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52707#p52707 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:30:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52707#p52707
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52708#p52708 no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52708#p52708 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:57:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52708#p52708 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52709#p52709
Surprised me, given the liability were something to have gone wrong. The ability to use my own discretion in things like batteries, landing lights, tires and the like was the main impetus to my going Experimental. There would have been a bit less reason had 3i, then the manufacturerof the Sky Arrow, been more responsive to requests for LOA’s.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52709#p52709 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 11:07:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52709#p52709
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by drdehave]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52722#p52722 viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2897&p=20148&hilit=rectifier#p20148

This should cut down my "new battery" expenses, a bit. :lol:]]>
no_email@example.com (drdehave) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52722#p52722 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:47:26 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52722#p52722
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52723#p52723 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52723#p52723 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:03:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52723#p52723 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great S-LSA Support :: Reply by drdehave]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52724#p52724 no_email@example.com (drdehave) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52724#p52724 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:16:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5105&p=52724#p52724 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Blackfly VTOL electric ultralight :: Author Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152&p=52725#p52725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcpq6XYYoY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhKTCbbqbaE]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152&p=52725#p52725 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 23:53:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152&p=52725#p52725
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Blackfly VTOL electric ultralight :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152&p=52726#p52726
Like 'most' E flying machines (and cars) battery technology has not really caught up to electric motor power demands or owner desire for distance and duration.

Time will tell if this critter ever actually makes it into production or finds a purchasing demographic with $$$$. I have serious concerns about folks with little or no flying experience crowding ( or dropping out of ) the low height skies.]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152&p=52726#p52726 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 01:10:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152&p=52726#p52726
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: "Bumps" on the Way to 3,000 Engine Hours :: Author drdehave]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5151&p=52720#p52720 #1 - Copy (1080 x 810).jpg
WILL MY 2007 STING’S ENGINE MAKE IT TO 3,000 HRS? I hope so; I’m currently planning some big fall trips over to the Burning Man playa in northwest Nevada, with it.

When the engine hit 2,000 hrs 2 years ago, I took my “condition checks” up a notch to include: (a) more frequent (MF) differential compression tests (DCTs); (b) MF spark plug examination; (c) MF magnetic drain plug inspection; (d) MF oil changes and related analyses (i.e., metals, either in the oil or oil-filter paper); and (e) inspections of the cylinders with a borescope. I also began eyeing my EIS numbers closer, pulling off the cowlings for more frequent inspections, and being alert to anything that could be considered anomalous.

Around 2,500 hrs, the increased diligence resulted in four “bumps in the road” to 3k. First, I started smelling dirty exhaust (only during climb-out). I feared the worst-–rings or valves “going south.” But the culprit was actually the #3 & #4 exhaust sockets leaking at the muffler; so we installed a whole new exhaust system TL Ultralight had provided (and I was saving for the inevitable new engine.) The dirty exhaust smell disappeared on the next take-off!

Second, I began finding NO oil on the dipstick, before first flight of the day, despite “burping” the engine after last flight the day before. What was going on? We soon found out: It was those new “green dot” oil filters (PN825-016) Rotax unleashed on us a couple years ago. Something was evidently changed inside them, and those new filters are no longer preventing oil back-flow in applications like the Sting's, which have an oil tank sitting higher than the engine. We confirmed this by finding a pair of the old, pre-green-dot filters (PN825-012) and testing them. Back-flow prevention resumed, just like during the previous 7 years when they were used! (If any of you have a supply of the old, 012 filters you’d like to unload, I’d pay double for them!)

Third, the #2 cylinder, which had been hovering around 80/87 psi in DCTs, suddenly dropped to 74 psi. My heart sank, fearing that this could become the new-engine trigger. But my mechanic was more optimistic: “Rich, I think I can do a valve (lapping) job on that cylinder and get it up by at least 5-7 psi.” So he did, and we got a miraculous result; #2 is now producing 86/87 psi, either hot or cold. That means I now have three 85/87 cylinders and the newly restored 86/87 one. Not bad at all, for a 2,500-hr engine!

A fourth recent scare came when two nasty-looking pieces of metal showed up on the magnetic drain plug. One exceeded 2 mm. Therefore, we had to pull the airplane from service until the source was found and resolved. The problem was a badly worn propeller shaft that had begun “making metal.” With a new shaft, and related gearbox issues restored to factory specs, my Sting is, right now, as smooth as it has ever been, even idling down to 1,600 rpm.

And there was more good news: after the valve-lapping (#2), gearbox overhaul, and new exhaust system (which likely relieved some back pressure, due to exhaust welds and soot), the Sting has gained a solid 100 rpm on WOT climb-out-–a very noticeable performance boost!

Nevertheless, she’s “on condition” and “one day at a time,” now. If she hits 3,000 hrs, I may call it a day and finally install a new engine; or I might decide to take it a notch farther. On the other hand, any “big-ticket” repairs that pop up before 3K will likely become the new-engine trigger.

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no_email@example.com (drdehave) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5151&p=52720#p52720 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:44:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5151&p=52720#p52720
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: "Bumps" on the Way to 3,000 Engine Hours :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5151&p=52728#p52728
Interesting about the new style oil filter. I suspect I’ve used them, but not 100% sure. Need to check, since my oil tank is slightly above my engine.

Please keep us apprised.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5151&p=52728#p52728 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 07:51:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5151&p=52728#p52728
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Affordable ADS-B out :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52729#p52729
Scooper wrote:........I have the Aera 660 and GDL 39R installed. Next is the GDL 82 and I'll be done.

Thanks!
Stan


Just following up Stan, did you get your GDL-82 installed? I couldn't find a post from you on your install or if you are waiting for something better.

And for the record I had to move my GDL-82 GPS antenna from my original mounting location under the cowling to the top of the fuselage behind the canopy. I was getting GPS shadowing from the airframe and spotty signals. It's all good now and every PAPR report comes back perfect everytime.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52729#p52729 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:05:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52729#p52729
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Affordable ADS-B out :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52730#p52730
ShawnM wrote:Just following up Stan, did you get your GDL-82 installed? I couldn't find a post from you on your install or if you are waiting for something better.

And for the record I had to move my GDL-82 GPS antenna from my original mounting location under the cowling to the top of the fuselage behind the canopy. I was getting GPS shadowing from the airframe and spotty signals. It's all good now and every PAPR report comes back perfect everytime.

I haven't gotten around to installing the GDL 82 yet, Shawn; too much to do and so little time. Hopefully I'll get it done before my annual Thanksgiving trip to Albuquerque. The plan is to mount the GPS antenna on top of the fuselage just behind the canopy where it should have a clear view of the GPS constellation from horizon to horizon.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52730#p52730 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:52:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52730#p52730
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Affordable ADS-B out :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52731#p52731
ABS-B GPS Antenna (Small).jpg


The GDL antenna is now in the same hole that my COM antenna was in. I moved my new Rami bent whip COM antenna to the belly opposite of my new Rami blade transponder antenna. All works perfect now.

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no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52731#p52731 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:20:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3425&p=52731#p52731
<![CDATA[Training :: You Can Always Go Around :: Author HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52339#p52339 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqFTD-Bqwl8
Great short training video!]]>
no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52339#p52339 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:45:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52339#p52339
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: You Can Always Go Around :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52385#p52385 no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52385#p52385 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:54:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52385#p52385 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: You Can Always Go Around :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52386#p52386 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52386#p52386 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:21:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5134&p=52386#p52386 <![CDATA[Training :: Non light sport aircraft. :: Author wdc@q.com]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52513#p52513
Thanks, Dalton]]>
no_email@example.com (wdc@q.com) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52513#p52513 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 01:58:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52513#p52513
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by joey4420]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52515#p52515 no_email@example.com (joey4420) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52515#p52515 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:42:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52515#p52515 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52516#p52516 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52516#p52516 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:56:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52516#p52516 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by wdc@q.com]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52517#p52517 no_email@example.com (wdc@q.com) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52517#p52517 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 11:42:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52517#p52517 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52519#p52519 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52519#p52519 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:38:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52519#p52519 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by wdc@q.com]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52533#p52533
Dalton]]>
no_email@example.com (wdc@q.com) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52533#p52533 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 20:59:01 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52533#p52533
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52534#p52534
wdc@q.com wrote:I am working on getting my private pilot but toying with sport pilot ideas.

Dalton
Of course, if you get your Private, you can fly both.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52534#p52534 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 21:02:28 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52534#p52534
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by CoalDust]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52537#p52537 no_email@example.com (CoalDust) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52537#p52537 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 07:28:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52537#p52537 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52538#p52538
With that in hand, you will never have to go through that uncertainty again if BasicMed suits your needs going forward.

Again, congratulations on your progress to date, and good luck with your Practical Test!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52538#p52538 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:14:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52538#p52538
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52539#p52539 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52539#p52539 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:34:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52539#p52539 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52588#p52588
Here is a kicker though: I'm young (38) and my job and family keep me busy, add in weather and FBO/Airport Issues (Airport was closed for 2 weeks for construction, with another 2 weeks upcoming and I've logged only 20 hours this year so far and 75% of those are solo. A good portion of this was in 30 minute quick lunch flights making sure I at least can fly a pattern and take-off/land, I logged 1 hour of crosswind refresher with a CFI so I did not get "rusty" in 15 kt crosswinds, those seldom occur around here, but they could and I'd rather be ready than unprepared. I have not flown at night in 8 months and when the time changes I'll probably book a CFI for my first night flights just for safety at first. All that to say this: My "mission" right now is almost the definition of a sport pilot. I'm not knocking the PPL route that so many of us took, I like the 172, stable platform easy to fly, but I also look at my current "mission" and a 150/152, Cherokee, or Beechcraft Musketeer Sport or any 2 seat light sport would fulfill it. I'm considering an instrument rating if nothing else than to keep my flying sharp and gain experience and confidence. They say a pilot is a license to learn, I think that's right on the money.]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52588#p52588 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:58:28 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52588#p52588
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52594#p52594 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52594#p52594 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:37:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52594#p52594 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52598#p52598 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52598#p52598 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:03:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52598#p52598 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52599#p52599
foresterpoole wrote:Quite true Tim, I think I included all light sport aircraft as well in my explanation. It was merely a a reference to not needing the weight or seats for more than just myself or one other at the moment.

I assumed you knew that, but you said your mission met the definition of Sport Pilot and then listed these non-LSA aircraft.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52599#p52599 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:22:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52599#p52599
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52601#p52601
TimTaylor wrote:
foresterpoole wrote:Quite true Tim, I think I included all light sport aircraft as well in my explanation. It was merely a a reference to not needing the weight or seats for more than just myself or one other at the moment.

I assumed you knew that, but you said your mission met the definition of Sport Pilot and then listed these non-LSA aircraft.


Now I understand where you were going with the comment. I'll add in the Technam P92 I rent, the Arion Lightning I like, and the Sportcruiser I could never afford, lol....]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52601#p52601 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:27:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52601#p52601
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52604#p52604
TimTaylor wrote:Of course, until/unless something changes a Cessna 150/152, Piper Cherokee, and Beech Musketeer all required a Private certificate or higher.


CFR part 61 sub part D]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52604#p52604 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:19:23 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52604#p52604
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52610#p52610
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Of course, until/unless something changes a Cessna 150/152, Piper Cherokee, and Beech Musketeer all required a Private certificate or higher.


CFR part 61 sub part D

Which I would argue is not worth the paper it's printed on. Go ahead and get a Private. YRMV. I think most of us discount it. The FAA should probably eliminate it IMHO.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52610#p52610 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:59:26 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52610#p52610
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52611#p52611
wdc@q.com wrote:I am working on getting my private pilot but toying with sport pilot ideas.

Dalton

This person did not ask about Recreation Pilot certificate. Why didn't you suggest it to him?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52611#p52611 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:02:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52611#p52611
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52612#p52612
TimTaylor wrote:This person did not ask about Recreation Pilot certificate. Why didn't you suggest it to him?


I think that's a significant observation. It has (sadly) become an orphan rating. I was at an Examiner's meeting at my FSDO on Thursday, and was surprised to observe that not one single DPE in my district offers Rec Pilot checkrides. That's right, all our examiners skip over it. We have DPEs whose Letters of Authorization specifically list Sport, Private, Commercial, ATP, Multi, and Instrument, but explicitly omit Rec. So, if someone in EA-13 actually wanted to get a Rec, he or she would apparently be out of luck.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52612#p52612 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:10:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52612#p52612
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52613#p52613 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52613#p52613 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:13:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52613#p52613 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52614#p52614
https://www.aopa.org/about/general-aviation-statistics/faa-certificated-pilots]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52614#p52614 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:19:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52614#p52614
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52616#p52616
TimTaylor wrote:Seems to me that if you can give a Private ride, you should be able to give a Recreational Pilot ride.


Just because the DPE has the skills and knowledge to give a Rec Pilot practical exam doesn't mean he or she can, unless (a) the examiner requests that privilege, and (b) the relevant FSDO chooses to extend that privilege in the DPE's Certificate of Authority. In my district, they haven't done so for anyone. Probably that's because, to add a rating to your DPE, your Principal Inspector has to observe you giving a practical for that specific rating. So, if there aren't ever any Rec Pilot applicants, there can't be an observation, and hence there can't be a Rec Pilot Examiner.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52616#p52616 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:39:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52616#p52616
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52617#p52617
TimTaylor wrote:Seems to me that if you can give a Private ride, you should be able to give a Recreational Pilot ride.


I'm just saying it seems they SHOULD be able to, not they ARE able to. After all, A Recreation Pilot is same as Private minus some stuff. At least, I think it is.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52617#p52617 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:45:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52617#p52617
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52618#p52618
TimTaylor wrote:I'm just saying it seems they SHOULD be able to, not they ARE able to. After all, A Recreation Pilot is same as Private minus some stuff. At least, I think it is.


Yes, that's clear. Similarly, a PPT examiner should be able to give SP checkrides. Most don't, because:

(1) most DPEs (and CFIs, for that matter) don't know the SP rules, privileges, and limitations. They're still the best kept secret in aviation.

(2) most of the DPEs I know can't get into an LSA without overgrossing it.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52618#p52618 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:53:30 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52618#p52618
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52620#p52620 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52620#p52620 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:02:45 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52620#p52620 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52627#p52627
TimTaylor wrote:
wdc@q.com wrote:I am working on getting my private pilot but toying with sport pilot ideas.

Dalton

This person did not ask about Recreation Pilot certificate. Why didn't you suggest it to him?


He didn't ask about an instrument rating either, but yet you suggested it on the first page. :roll:]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52627#p52627 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:14:00 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52627#p52627
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52629#p52629
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Seems to me that if you can give a Private ride, you should be able to give a Recreational Pilot ride.


Just because the DPE has the skills and knowledge to give a Rec Pilot practical exam doesn't mean he or she can, unless (a) the examiner requests that privilege, and (b) the relevant FSDO chooses to extend that privilege in the DPE's Certificate of Authority. In my district, they haven't done so for anyone. Probably that's because, to add a rating to your DPE, your Principal Inspector has to observe you giving a practical for that specific rating. So, if there aren't ever any Rec Pilot applicants, there can't be an observation, and hence there can't be a Rec Pilot Examiner.


By that same logic there would be no Sport Pilot examiners, glider examiners, or type specific examiners like for a Robinson R-22.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52629#p52629 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:17:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52629#p52629
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Non light sport aircraft. :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52630#p52630
3Dreaming wrote:By that same logic there would be no Sport Pilot examiners, glider examiners, or type specific examiners like for a Robinson R-22.


And, in fact, there are very few of each. Read my rather long thread on the ongoing shortage of Sport Pilot examiners.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52630#p52630 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:09:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5139&p=52630#p52630
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Gleim Sport Pilot Home Study - my procedure :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52655#p52655 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52655#p52655 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:24:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52655#p52655 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Gleim Sport Pilot Home Study - my procedure :: Reply by joey4420]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52657#p52657 no_email@example.com (joey4420) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52657#p52657 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:53:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52657#p52657 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Gleim Sport Pilot Home Study - my procedure :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52662#p52662
My geezer thoughts for the day?

If you 'think' you want to do something? Stop thinking and do it while you still can. Same goes for telling your loved ones that you love them. After they're gone it's too late.]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52662#p52662 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 10:58:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52662#p52662
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Gleim Sport Pilot Home Study - my procedure :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52663#p52663 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52663#p52663 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:17:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4884&p=52663#p52663 <![CDATA[Training :: How to do engine-out in Zenith 601? :: Author rezaf_2000]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52727#p52727
I was an active member of this forum a couple years ago. Long story short, I'm now the proud owner of a Zenith 601 HDS, along with two friends. It's a nice experimental plane, rather similar to many LSAs with a Rotax 912 ULS engine. Here's the spec sheet for the kit: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/601-hds.html

Here's my question. The 601 HDS has what Zenith calls speed wings, short chubby wings without flaps. Since it doesn't have flaps, it stalls a bit fast at about 58 mph, and subsequently lands a bit fast too. My best final approach speed is 1.3 VS0, or 75 mph.

The 100hp engine is more than enough to make it a lively plane. However, at idle power, the plane has excessive descent speed of 800 fpm, maybe even 1000 fpm. As a result, I now keep about 3300-3500 RPM on the short final up to touch down, getting a nice 500 fpm rate of descent, and subsequently I get nice greaser landings.

But I have concern about the right technique to land it in an engine-out situation. What is the right procedure to land draggy planes that don't have flaps? When I cut the engine at pattern altitude, it drops like a stone, and I usually end up adding a touch of power to reduce the descent rate. Should I just have the fate that even a 1000 fpm descent can be stopped with the right amount of flare?]]>
no_email@example.com (rezaf_2000) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52727#p52727 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 02:22:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52727#p52727
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: How to do engine-out in Zenith 601? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52732#p52732
I’d suggest finding a CFI with experience in a wide variety of planes and figuring out the best way to land your plane from a glide. Regardless of your high rate of descent, the key will still be energy management and timing the roundout and flare to arrive in ground effect with the energy to hold it off and land at approximately stall speed.

Let us know how it goes - with video if possible!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52732#p52732 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:51:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52732#p52732
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: How to do engine-out in Zenith 601? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52733#p52733 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52733#p52733 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 15:35:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5153&p=52733#p52733 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Sport CFIs can now teach instrument flying but how much? :: Author jjfjr]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52289#p52289
In addition to instruction by sport CFIs counting towards higher ratings, a recent AOPA article said that "Sport pilot instructors will be allowed to provide training on control and maneuvering solely by reference to instruments with required endorsement". What must be done to get this endorsement? Will this training be some hood time? More extensive?

Thanks;
jjfjr]]>
no_email@example.com (jjfjr) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52289#p52289 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:40:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52289#p52289
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Sport CFIs can now teach instrument flying but how much? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52292#p52292
The objective here was to allow Sport Pilot instructors (CFI-S) to provide the necessary training required of Sport Pilot candidates prior to solo cross-country flight in an aircraft with a Vh greater than 87 knots. The requirement appears in FAR 61.93(e)(12), and includes the following, solely by reference to flight instruments:

straight and level flight
turns
climbs
descents
use of radio aids
ATC directives


Obviously, in order to give this instruction, a CFI-S has to be comfortable with those tasks. So, the endorsement will require some hood time, and a demonstration of competence in these areas. I would expect that any FAR 61 Subpart H CFI can give the required instruction and endorsement (a CFII rating should not be required). When the language of the endorsement is finally standardized, I would look for the National Association of Flight Instructors to publish it at http://www.nafinet.net.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52292#p52292 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:05:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52292#p52292
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Sport CFIs can now teach instrument flying but how much? :: Reply by comperini]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52295#p52295
drseti wrote:The requirement appears in FAR 61.93(e)(12), and includes the following, solely by reference to flight instruments:


And this could get interesting in an experimental that has few instruments.]]>
no_email@example.com (comperini) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52295#p52295 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:39:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52295#p52295
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Sport CFIs can now teach instrument flying but how much? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52297#p52297
comperini wrote:And this could get interesting in an experimental that has few instruments.


The requirement for instrument training prior to solo XC applies only to aircraft with a Vh < 87 kts. Most of the under-instrumented experimental LSAs are slower than that.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52297#p52297 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:45:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52297#p52297
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Sport CFIs can now teach instrument flying but how much? :: Reply by comperini]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52338#p52338
drseti wrote:The requirement for instrument training prior to solo XC applies only to aircraft with a Vh < 87 kts. Most of the under-instrumented experimental LSAs are slower than that.


I think you meant greater than 87 has the requirement... not less than.

So if someone shows up with an experimental kitfox or something that is > 87 kts, and they don't have much for instrumentation, what would you do? Most people don't outfit experimentals with much more than very basic VFR gauges at best... no fancy VSI, turn coordinator, horizon, etc.]]>
no_email@example.com (comperini) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52338#p52338 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:42:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52338#p52338
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Sport CFIs can now teach instrument flying but how much? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52392#p52392
comperini wrote:
So if someone shows up with an experimental kitfox or something that is > 87 kts, and they don't have much for instrumentation, what would you do? Most people don't outfit experimentals with much more than very basic VFR gauges at best... no fancy VSI, turn coordinator, horizon, etc.


You have to satisfy the training requirements even if it means using an approved simulator or another aircraft.

The same thing would apply to PP candidate an airplane that doesn’t have any gyros. (wonder if they would buy using the mag compass as an attitude indicator :) )]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52392#p52392 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:27:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5131&p=52392#p52392
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Renting out my sport plane? :: Author Hambone]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52418#p52418
I'm (slowly) working through the academics towards my CFI-S. In the interim, am I allowed to rent out my CTSW? And, not yet being an instructor, am I allowed to give a checkout to a prospective renter who is a licensed pilot? And what are the insurance requirements?

Thanks in anticipation!]]>
no_email@example.com (Hambone) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52418#p52418 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 00:41:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52418#p52418
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52419#p52419 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52419#p52419 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:40:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52419#p52419 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by Hambone]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52421#p52421
What if the renter has his own renter's insurance policy?]]>
no_email@example.com (Hambone) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52421#p52421 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:38:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52421#p52421
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52422#p52422
Hambone wrote:Thanks for that!

What if the renter has his own renter's insurance policy?


The renter policy is to protect him, not you. Most personal aircraft policies I have seen prohibit commercial use. Renting would be commercial use. I would highly suggest that you talk to your insurance agent. They should know the ins and outs of your policy. If they don't, you really need to find a new agent.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52422#p52422 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:53:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52422#p52422
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52423#p52423 no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52423#p52423 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:06:11 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52423#p52423 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52424#p52424 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52424#p52424 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:17:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52424#p52424 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52429#p52429
TimTaylor wrote: You, as owner, would be held liable if the renter kills someone or even himself. A jury of your peers will decide. Under no circumstances would I ever rent out an airplane I owned.


This is exactly why my plane is owned by my flight school, which is a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52429#p52429 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:00:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52429#p52429
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52431#p52431
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: You, as owner, would be held liable if the renter kills someone or even himself. A jury of your peers will decide. Under no circumstances would I ever rent out an airplane I owned.


This is exactly why my plane is owned by my flight school, which is a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC).

And that may or may not protect you. I hope you never have to find out.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52431#p52431 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:08:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52431#p52431
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52434#p52434
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: You, as owner, would be held liable if the renter kills someone or even himself. A jury of your peers will decide. Under no circumstances would I ever rent out an airplane I owned.


This is exactly why my plane is owned by my flight school, which is a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC).


Having a LLC might make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but does it really separate you from the liability? Unless you have a repair station that is a LLC, I figure signing off the condition inspection will throw the liability right back on you.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52434#p52434 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:48:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52434#p52434
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by Hambone]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52452#p52452
Perhaps I should have researched this earlier. I could have a CTSW for sale soon!]]>
no_email@example.com (Hambone) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52452#p52452 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 11:53:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52452#p52452
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52455#p52455 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52455#p52455 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:36:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52455#p52455 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52460#p52460
I incorporated as a Subchapter S in each case. I forget how much insurance was, but it was not prohibitive. It helped that I was a CFI and could check people out, especially important for renting a tailwheel aircraft.

The second Citabria ended on a sad note, involved in a dual fatal. Lost a bit on that, due to being slightly under-insured, but it paled compared to the human tragedy involved. The corporate shield did protect me and my partner from lawsuit, and the corporation had no assets beyond the plane, which was totaled.

Not saying to do it or not to do it. Just don't dismiss it out of hand.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52460#p52460 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 19:27:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52460#p52460
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by Hambone]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52461#p52461
Thanks!]]>
no_email@example.com (Hambone) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52461#p52461 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 19:35:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52461#p52461
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52462#p52462 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52462#p52462 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:32:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52462#p52462 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52463#p52463 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52463#p52463 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:53:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52463#p52463 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52464#p52464 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52464#p52464 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 21:06:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52464#p52464 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52465#p52465
drseti wrote:.......And as far as my maintenance shop is concerned, it is part of the LLC, so the worst that can happen in the event of a lawsuit is that the plaintiffs might end up owning a flight school (which has limited market value without me to run it).


The flight school will also have limited market value with a smashed up airplane after the accident that started the lawsuit in the first place. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52465#p52465 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 21:34:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52465#p52465
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52466#p52466
drseti wrote:I guess that depends on the state. Under PA law, litigation against an LLC jeopardizes only that entity's assets.


My plane is in a Delaware LLC, here’s why: (as quoted from IncNow.com)

Unlike many other states, one key benefit of the Delaware LLC not available to corporations in any state is that the Delaware LLC also offers a second type of protection: the “reverse shield.” Choosing to form a Delaware LLC creates a two-way shield. Unlike the traditional shield, the reverse shield reciprocally protects creditors of the owner from controlling or liquidating the assets of the LLC. The Delaware LLC limits a creditor of an LLC’s member to a “charging order” being the creditor’s exclusive remedy at law. This limits a hostile creditor of a member to only a lien against the financial profits actually distributed to the debtor owner up until the lien is paid off without the right to vote, manage, or liquidate the LLC in the interim. Therefore, unlike in many other jurisdictions, a hostile creditor of a member cannot itself take over the ownership interest. The creditor of a member holding a charging order only receives an economic interest without voting rights.

One policy reason to support this result of additional limited liability protection under Delaware law is that the Delaware LLC Act clearly supports the maxim that owners should be able to “pick their partners,” because a hostile creditor would be an unwelcome LLC member and not part of the bargain the members agreed to when organizing the company. While some other states support this policy to a degree, Delaware even extends its charging order protection beyond multi-member LLCs to include single-member LLCs with no other partners. To many, this is astonishing that this protection also extends to LLCs with only one owner, provided it is formed in Delaware. This charging order remedy prevents even a single-member LLC owner’s hostile personal creditors from attempting to control or liquidate the LLC’s assets. Thus, the Delaware LLC provides the greatest protection by shielding personal creditors from either owning or controlling the LLC’s assets.

My plane is in a “single-member LLC” with a registered agent in Delaware.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52466#p52466 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 21:44:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52466#p52466
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52467#p52467
drseti wrote:I guess that depends on the state. Under PA law, litigation against an LLC jeopardizes only that entity's assets.

That's just not correct. In any state you can be held personally liable for negligence. A jury will decide.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52467#p52467 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 21:54:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52467#p52467
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52468#p52468 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52468#p52468 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:31:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52468#p52468 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52470#p52470
TimTaylor wrote: In any state you can be held personally liable for negligence. A jury will decide.


It's true that, in the US (land of opportunity for attorneys), anyone can sue anybody for anything, with or without merit. Most judges will dismiss frivolous cases, but not before the defendant has had to spend bug bux on an attorney of his or her own.

The good news is that plaintiffs' attorneys tend to take only cases that they consider winable, and only those against deep-pocket entities, so they can pocket 40% of the judgment collected. Which means small FBOs like mine are not particularly attractive targets.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52470#p52470 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:32:11 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52470#p52470
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52471#p52471
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: In any state you can be held personally liable for negligence. A jury will decide.


It's true that, in the US (land of opportunity for attorneys), anyone can sue anybody for anything, with or without merit. Most judges will dismiss frivolous cases, but not before the defendant has had to spend bug bux on an attorney of his or her own.

The good news is that plaintiffs' attorneys tend to take only cases that they consider winable, and only those against deep-pocket entities, so they can pocket 40% of the judgment collected. Which means small FBOs like mine are not particularly attractive targets.

The obvious risk in renting an airplane is some student or renter will crash and burn. Then, the widow and her lawyer will try to prove it's your fault for not teaching him something or not maintaining the airplane properly. That's the risk the OP needs to consider. They WILL come after you and all your assets and insurance.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52471#p52471 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:43:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52471#p52471
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by Hambone]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52472#p52472
I'm now fairly certain that the risk massively outweighs the potential financial gains, not to mention the stress of a possible lawsuit.]]>
no_email@example.com (Hambone) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52472#p52472 Sat, 04 Aug 2018 16:33:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52472#p52472
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52473#p52473 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52473#p52473 Sat, 04 Aug 2018 17:43:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52473#p52473 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52474#p52474
Hambone wrote:
...the risk massively outweighs the potential financial gains, not to mention the stress of a possible lawsuit.


Sounds very much like the first rule of aviation ....]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52474#p52474 Sat, 04 Aug 2018 18:58:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52474#p52474
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: Renting out my sport plane? :: Reply by Hambone]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52485#p52485
Warmi wrote:
Hambone wrote:
...the risk massively outweighs the potential financial gains, not to mention the stress of a possible lawsuit.


Sounds very much like the first rule of aviation ....

Yep. Time for the CT to go!]]>
no_email@example.com (Hambone) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52485#p52485 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:50:30 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5137&p=52485#p52485
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Author Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52475#p52475 It looks like they were actually descending straight in for good amount of time before deciding on the final turn back which was executed very low and was, frankly impossible ...

It is amazing that both occupants survived this crash, albeit with serious injuries..

https://youtu.be/1xcCpZDSoiU

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/03/c ... 422ps.html]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52475#p52475 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 10:49:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52475#p52475
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52476#p52476
Yes this accident occured back in March and myself and many members on our SportCruiser forum have been waiting for more answers since that day. The final NTSB report is not out and it may still be a while. Lots of unanswered questions.

We've seen this video and heard the ATC audio but neither definitively explain what started the chain of events that led to the accident.

In the ATC audio the female CFI states she thinks she's experiencing vapor lock. That's all we know at this point. We understand that the plane did have a fuel return line (many early SportCruisers didn't have a return line and my plane is included in that bunch, no return fuel line) but we dont know what fuel type or fuel mix was being used. Apparently it was a rather unusually warm day for March in Addison. Was it MOGAS, summer or winter blend, 100LL or a mix of both? This was the SECOND time that same day that a SportCruiser had engine issues, both with different planes. The other plane landed without issues. Under cowling heat build up and vapor lock on warm days with the SportCruiser is a known issue.

What's confusing to me is that the plane disappears from frame on takeoff for nearly a minute and then reappears to be flying down the runway before she attempts the turn that stalled the plane. I'm hoping that we'll see the radar path of the flight one day as the video does not explain everything.

Luckily both people survived and that's more important.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52476#p52476 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 11:18:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52476#p52476
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52477#p52477 When she lost the engine it looked like she had plenty of altitude but she was too high to land straight ahead on the remaining runway ... she need to kill altitude over the field and arrive at a reasonable height while pointing more-less down the runway.
That’s when things went wrong and she came out of the turn pointing past the runway and without sufficient altitude ... looks like the final turn was a bit desperate attempt to turn back towards the airport.

At least that’s how I read it ....]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52477#p52477 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 14:30:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52477#p52477
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52478#p52478 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52478#p52478 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 14:58:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52478#p52478 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52479#p52479
Somehow she had to have done a 360 to be coming back towards the camera in the same direction she took off in right before she turned and stalled. She took off on runway 15. The camera for this footage is at the approach end of 33 pointing down runway 33. If it was a 180 she'd be be flying away from the camera. In the video she comes back into frame going the same direction she took off. This is the confusing part for me.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52479#p52479 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 16:42:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52479#p52479
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52480#p52480 I think that’s what she attempted to do and somehow ended up miscalculating it pretty badly and instead of coming out pointing down the runway 33 she ended up pointing the opposite direction ... that’s the only thing I can think of at the moment to explain this sequence of events.]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52480#p52480 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 16:48:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52480#p52480 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52481#p52481
Now, if there is a few minutes of flying that we don't see, then who knows?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52481#p52481 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 18:30:00 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52481#p52481
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52482#p52482
On a good, cold day in my Sting I could be 1200 AGL or more by the time I get to the end of such long runway - if I were to loose the engine at that point , going 180 would put me at 700 feet above the runway halfway thru - imho I would probably take it out a bit to kill some altitude before I aligned with 33 ... but I have never done it in anger so that's just pure speculation on my part.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52482#p52482 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 18:44:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52482#p52482
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52483#p52483 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52483#p52483 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 19:23:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52483#p52483 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52490#p52490 My guess is there was plenty of altitude at the time of failure. It may not have been a full fail but partial power would allow more options...

I think a big thing to say here is WHY land on the runway???

Look at the field, it is a billiard table! Why not touch down in the grass or a taxiway and roll along.

Would have been a sight if they had hit the EMAS in the foreground. The news media would proclaim the impact was so great it broke through the runway :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52490#p52490 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:45:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52490#p52490
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52492#p52492 ]]> no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52492#p52492 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 17:29:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52492#p52492 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52495#p52495
I had no idea ROTAX engines were capable of vapor lock. From what I have read, this is due to poor insulation on the fuel line which allows the line to heat up excessively and fuel vaporizes in the line (can be exaserbated by ethanol). This can be somewhat mitigated by the use of the aux. fuel pump. Is this the gist of the issue???]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52495#p52495 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 20:38:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52495#p52495
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52496#p52496 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52496#p52496 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 20:45:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52496#p52496 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52497#p52497
foresterpoole wrote:I don't know this so I'm going to ask: in a sportcruiser, with the airframe parachute option, what is the "minimum" altitude for deployment? Obviously, we don't know if this one had a parachute or the altitudes involved, but if it was equipped I would think it might have been an option.

I had no idea ROTAX engines were capable of vapor lock. From what I have read, this is due to poor insulation on the fuel line which allows the line to heat up excessively and fuel vaporizes in the line (can be exaserbated by ethanol). This can be somewhat mitigated by the use of the aux. fuel pump. Is this the gist of the issue???


N422PS did have a parachute. My 2007 SportCruiser DOES NOT have a parachute and I've never looked at a POH for a plane with a parachute and dont know the minimum safe altitude but I'll find out. But as Tim stated I also would find it hard to pull a chute directly over an airport. Early in my training before I bought my own plane, the Remos I trained in had a chute and my instructor told me that the only time we are ever gonna pull that handle is if a wing departs from the plane. :mrgreen:

My 2007 never runs hot and I live in Florida. No vapor lock issues in the 5 years I've owned it. I run 93 OCT ethanol free fuel only. All SportCruisers also have an auxiliary, electric fuel pump.

I've never heard of the early CZAW SportCruisers having vapor lock issues. I think the main reason is that under the cowling there is the bare minimum of fuel lines. My fuel flow sensor is in the cockpit on the firewall just before the fuel line exits into the hot engine compartment. The newer CSA SportCruisers have what seems like miles of fuel lines under the cowling. They moved the fuel flow sensor out into the engine compartment, they have added backflow valves now on the electric pump (that's designed to fail open mind you) and all these lines criss-cross back and forth over the HOT engine. They are all in firesleeve but there are a ton of fuel lines under the cowling heating up the fuel on HOT days.

The SportCruiser is also known for running hotter when ambient temps are high and the pilot has to wait for take off at busy airports. Many owners on warmer days complain about the oil temps and CHT's going into the yellow arc waiting to take off. The engine is not that tightly cowled but airflow into the NACA ducts on top of the cowling can be limited depending on the prevailing winds.

Also, the early SportCruisers didn't have a fuel return line back to the fuel tank. My 2007 does not have a return line either. Rotax eventually mandated this to aid in the prevention of vapor lock. N422PS DID HAVE a fuel return line and if this was vapor lock this proves that a return line will not prevent vapor lock.

I'm most curious of the fuel and/or fuel blend that was in the engine at the time of the crash. We've been told to run a MOGAS/AVGAS blend to prevent vapor lock and many SportCruisers owners do. I still run 93 OCT ethanol free MOGAS to this day with no issues.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52497#p52497 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 08:07:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52497#p52497
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52498#p52498 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52498#p52498 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 08:47:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52498#p52498 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52499#p52499
Warmi wrote:Frankly, we don't really know if this was a vapor lock type of issue - she just mentioned that but I could imagine it would be very hard to diagnose why the engine was going out in just a few seconds when it is actually happening so who knows ...


That is true. This was the second instance of engine issues on 2 different SportCruisers that warm, March day in Addison. Could it have been bad fuel, possibly. Time will tell when we can read the final NTSB report. Right now we are all just speculating on the words from the pilot.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52499#p52499 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:26:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52499#p52499
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52500#p52500
TimTaylor wrote:It might be hard to convince yourself to pull the parachute when you're over a huge paved runway.


Very true, I was thinking more along the lines of being able to pull it while proceeding ahead rather than trying to make the "impossible" turn, which in this case did not work out well. There are quite a few unknowns so anything is/was possible, time and an NTSB report should shed some light on it. As for the vapor lock comment, the pilot was an experienced CFI, and was also familiar with the aircraft type, as stated below, a similar model had issues earlier in the day. I'd be inclined to believe the experienced pilot with first hand knowledge until other facts come out....]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52500#p52500 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:45:23 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52500#p52500
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52501#p52501 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52501#p52501 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 14:04:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52501#p52501 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52503#p52503
I'm wondering if take-off procedures should be revised such that we make a 45 degree turn toward the upwind leg side of the runway when a straight ahead landing on the runway is no longer possible. Shortly after that, we would make another 45 degree turn back toward the runway such that we are now climbing out parallel to the runway, but on the upwind leg side.

If we did this maneuver, were we to lose an engine and choose to make a 180 back to the runway, we would be lined up with the runway, not off to the side of it. The risk of this would be climbing into an aircraft entering the pattern on the upwind leg.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52503#p52503 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:10:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52503#p52503
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52504#p52504
TimTaylor wrote:The issue of turning back to the runway got me thinking about this. At some point during climb-out, we reach a point where it's too late to land straight ahead on the runway. Sometime after that, we reach an altitude where making a 180 becomes possible. However, after a 180, you are not lined up with the runway, you are on the down-wind leg side of the runway.


Wouldn't your direction of turn determine whether you are on the upwind or downwind side of the runway?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52504#p52504 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:26:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52504#p52504
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52505#p52505
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:The issue of turning back to the runway got me thinking about this. At some point during climb-out, we reach a point where it's too late to land straight ahead on the runway. Sometime after that, we reach an altitude where making a 180 becomes possible. However, after a 180, you are not lined up with the runway, you are on the down-wind leg side of the runway.



Wouldn't your direction of turn determine whether you are on the upwind or downwind side of the runway?

Yes. You didn't see that I added that. If this were to become a standard procedure, we would want to turn toward the upwind leg so as not to climb into the face of traffic on downwind leg. Then, if we had engine failure, we would be turning back toward the runway from the upwind leg side.

Using current procedures, my tendency would probably be to make a 180 to the left if I'm in the left seat, or 180 to the right if I'm in the right seat. In reality, you should probably make the 180 into the wind to stay closer to the runway.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52505#p52505 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 16:15:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52505#p52505
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52506#p52506
For the glider rating, wind direction is one of the things you check on your pre launch checklist. If you have a rope break with enough altitude that can safely make a 180° and return for landing you are taught to make the turn into the wind for better alignment. It also uses up less space, keeping you closer to the runway.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52506#p52506 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 16:54:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52506#p52506
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52507#p52507
3Dreaming wrote:Sorry, not sure when you changed it, but you hadn't added that yet when I read and quoted your post.

For the glider rating, wind direction is one of the things you check on your pre launch checklist. If you have a rope break with enough altitude that can safely make a 180° and return for landing you are taught to make the turn into the wind for better alignment. It also uses up less space, keeping you closer to the runway.
Yes, for sure.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52507#p52507 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:08:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52507#p52507
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52508#p52508
One thing I learned in a webinar recently is to become familiar with your surroundings and have a plan before you even taxi on to the runway. Know without a doubt where you are going if the engine quits. We all know our home airports very well and know where the empty fields, roads, parking lots and other suitable landing areas are. What about that unfamiliar airport you just flew to for breakfast? I pay more attention now to the airport surroundings when I'm flying in. I have also downloaded Google Earth on my phone so I can get familiar with my surroundings at UNFAMILIAR airports. I can pull up a satellite image of the airport I'm at and see what's off the end of the runway I'm about to depart from.

For me, knowing this gives me a bit more piece of mind of where I'm going in the event of an emergency. I'm only attempting the impossible at or above 700' AGL, other than than it's straight ahead for me. I'll take my chances with that light pole or mailbox or even a car because the alternative of a nose dive into mother earth is far worse. I can buy a new plane but you only get one ride on this merry-go-round of life.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52508#p52508 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:34:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52508#p52508
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52509#p52509 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52509#p52509 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:50:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52509#p52509 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52510#p52510
Another thing we are forgetting is that when you run out of available runway to land straight ahead you need to be thinking about still flying straight ahead or +/- 30° is either direction but still almost straight ahead for a place to land. Resist the urge to do the impossible unless you KNOW you have sufficient altitude. Pick a road, field, parking lot or anything else because although it may be a rough landing it may save your life. Most all impossible turns end in death. These two girls were very, very lucky and survived.

Landing straight ahead really isn't a safe option at KADS. I live in the area and have flown in there a few times. The airport is the middle of a dense business/industrial/entertainment area of Dallas. Lot's of powerlines. The only street option when taking off to the south would be Beltline which would've required 70 degree turn onto one of the busiest arteries in North Dallas. Inwood loosely runs N/S but is treelined and maybe 25' wide in that area so is not an option. The pilot made the right choice, although we'll let the NTSB figure out how well she executed given the circumstance.

I also don't know if my emergency gives me permission to put bystanders at risk -- such as landing on a busy road. Tough ethical choice.

I do agree that a pilot should always have 3 point plan on every take-off:

1) Engine out below XY feet and land straight ahead on the runway
2) Engine out above XY feet but below minimum altitude for a safe turn back to the runway environment
3) Engine out at or above minimu altitude]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52510#p52510 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:42:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52510#p52510
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52511#p52511
TimTaylor wrote:It just depends on what's ahead, what your altitude is, and what the runway environment is. Regardless, avoid a stall, spin. My LSA checkout CFI was killed giving a flight review in a Commander when they tried to make it back to an intersecting runway and hit power lines. They crashed into an embankment beside the runway and burst into flames.


Exactly, had they tried to land somewhere out in front of them they’d probably still be alive today. I’m sure all they were thinking about is getting back to the runway and never had time to look for power lines.

This is why I stated my personal minimum is 700 feet. Anything below that I gonna fight the urge to turn around and land somewhere out in front of me regardless of what’s out there. I’ll take my chances before I stall and spin into the ground attempting the impossible at too low of an altitude. Everyone has their own comfort level and personal minimums and these are mine.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52511#p52511 Wed, 08 Aug 2018 23:39:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52511#p52511
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52512#p52512 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52512#p52512 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 00:27:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52512#p52512 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52521#p52521
TimTaylor wrote:You have no idea what they were thinking. There was no where to land. They didn't have any other choice. He was a highly skilled and experienced pilot and made the best possible decision. Unfortunately, it just didn't work out. And, until it happens to you, you have no idea what you will do. You just think you do.


At least I have a plan and I'm armed with some knowledge of my surroundings. None of us know what we'd do until we are put on the spot. But going into the situation blind is not the best option either.

And for the record, the pilot was a female. And I dont agree that SHE made the best possible decision but once again that's my opinion. If she had time to do what appears to me from the video, a 360, then she had plenty of time to land. We can all play armchair CFI here but until we can read the final report we are all offering up our best guess.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52521#p52521 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 15:32:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52521#p52521
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52522#p52522 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52522#p52522 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:52:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52522#p52522 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52523#p52523
ShawnM wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:It just depends on what's ahead, what your altitude is, and what the runway environment is. Regardless, avoid a stall, spin. My LSA checkout CFI was killed giving a flight review in a Commander when they tried to make it back to an intersecting runway and hit power lines. They crashed into an embankment beside the runway and burst into flames.


Exactly, had they tried to land somewhere out in front of them they’d probably still be alive today. I’m sure all they were thinking about is getting back to the runway and never had time to look for power lines.

I was responding to this post.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52523#p52523 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:51:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52523#p52523
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52524#p52524
ShawnM wrote:
...
Early in my training before I bought my own plane, the Remos I trained in had a chute and my instructor told me that the only time we are ever gonna pull that handle is if a wing departs from the plane. :mrgreen:
...


No offense Shawn, but your instructor was an idiot!

The few planes equipped with one that I have taught in, I always emphasis use it! Special care is taken to Arm it. likewise to Disarm it on return. It is also included in the passenger brief along with the caution to keep clear of it unless you intend to pull it.

It is funny when you try to find info on deployment. I swear it was a CTLS that listed minimum altitude along with both Minimum and Maximum speeds with deployment. Just looked and cannot find it :cry: I did look at their checklist:
1. Ignition off
2. Pull handle
3. Tighten seat belts
4. Assume fetal position (or words to that effect)
5. Fuel off
6. Mayday
7. Electric off

Looking at others, Sting lists Tighten belts and harness as 5.5Gs can be experienced during opening :shock: On the other hand they go on to set the radio and transponder to emergency and lastly, pull! They do mention 135K as max airspeed for deployment.

Remos lists shutoff electric and gas. Pull!

So there is some variance in the sequences but I think my choice would be to get that chute out as soon as possible. Of course there are other factors I would consider at that time.

The chutes are still relatively new to all of general aviation so the I can land it attitude remains too strong. I took some Cirrus (simulator) time and it is emphasized even in the sim. Armed at startup. On takeoff, upon reaching 700 AGL the callout of CAPS & Flaps is made, every takeoff. It means that a safe altitude has been reached for Cirrus Airframe Parachute System and flap retraction.

That is the way you teach recovery systems. If drilled into their heads early on, it will be used.

Speculation: How would this particular accident turned out if it had been used?]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52524#p52524 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 17:02:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52524#p52524
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52526#p52526 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52526#p52526 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 17:38:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52526#p52526 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52527#p52527
The Sting S4 comes standard with an aircraft parachute system manufactured by the Galaxy® High Technology (GRS) Corporation. It is imperative that the owner/pilot of this airplane read and understand the system operating manual provided by Galaxy®. In most emergency scenarios, the use of the system is not necessary. The parachute system will increase the chance of occupant survival.


As to the actual deployment:

If the system is used, certain steps should at least be attempted
prior to activation:
1. Airspeed........................SLOW THE AIRCRAFT, IF POSSIBLE
2. Ignition.................................................................................OFF
3. Harnesses....................................................................TIGHTEN
4. Parachute activation handle......PULL FIRMLY (25 POUNDS)
5. Radio............ SET TO 121.5; TRANSMIT MAYDAY, MAYDAY,
MAYDAY!” and AIRCRAFT ID with CURRENT POSITION
6. Transponder.........................................................SET TO 7700
7. Impact position.................................PULL LIMBS CLOSE TO
BODY and COVER FACE
Firmly pull the parachute activation handle out 18 inches with about 25 pounds of force. The system should complete inflation in 1.5 – 3.5 seconds.
Maximum speed for aircraft parachute deployment at gross weight: 122.5 Kts.
]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52527#p52527 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:41:45 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52527#p52527
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52528#p52528
TimTaylor wrote:My response to you was based on your response that my LSA checkout CFI would be alive today if only he had not turned back toward the airport. You have no knowledge of the actual situation that took the lives of two people.


Just enough to know they probably shouldn't have turned around.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52528#p52528 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:44:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52528#p52528
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52530#p52530
ShawnM wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:My response to you was based on your response that my LSA checkout CFI would be alive today if only he had not turned back toward the airport. You have no knowledge of the actual situation that took the lives of two people.


Just enough to know they shouldn't have turned around.

You are a piece of shit. My friend was killed because he lost an engine in an impossible situation. You know nothing about it yet you continue to criticize them for making the only decision they believed might save them.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52530#p52530 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:48:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52530#p52530
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52532#p52532
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fqnixaxr2fjpk7b/Accident.png?dl=0]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52532#p52532 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 20:09:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52532#p52532
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52535#p52535
TimTaylor wrote:
ShawnM wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:My response to you was based on your response that my LSA checkout CFI would be alive today if only he had not turned back toward the airport. You have no knowledge of the actual situation that took the lives of two people.


Just enough to know they shouldn't have turned around.

You are a piece of shit. My friend was killed because he lost an engine in an impossible situation. You know nothing about it yet you continue to criticize them for making the only decision they believed might save them.


If you feel the need for name calling that's fine, doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I'll say thank you and I'll just take the high road with you on this one.

What I'm saying proves my earlier post that many, many "impossible turn" attempts end in death and your CFI's accident is proof. This is why I say fight the urge to turn back to the runway UNLESS you have plenty of altitude. You have a higher chance of survival landing on something, anything, out in front of you.

I'm not making this stuff up, stall/spin accidents stemming from turning back have a higher fatality rate compared to other general aviation accidents. This is a fact, Google it. If you want to gamble with your life and take that chance and turn back be my guest but I'm sticking with my choice of landing somewhere out in front of me as my odds of survival are much better.

Have a great evening Tim.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52535#p52535 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 23:35:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52535#p52535
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52536#p52536 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52536#p52536 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 23:45:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52536#p52536 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52543#p52543
TimTaylor wrote:It would probably be best if people, when giving their opinions, would omit the words "always" and "never" because
...

Oh, I always omit those words, because they never apply. :D]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52543#p52543 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:48:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52543#p52543
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52544#p52544
TimTaylor wrote:You are a piece of ...


Time out, Tim. You can make your point without resorting to that. You know better!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52544#p52544 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:52:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52544#p52544
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52553#p52553
drseti wrote:. . . You know better!

Now that's debatable! . . :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52553#p52553 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:39:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52553#p52553
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52561#p52561
Jim Hardin wrote:No offense Shawn, but your instructor was an idiot!

The few planes equipped with one that I have taught in, I always emphasis use it! Special care is taken to Arm it. likewise to Disarm it on return. It is also included in the passenger brief along with the caution to keep clear of it unless you intend to pull it.


I wasn’t going to say anything, but since you did...I agree 100%. Statistically, off-airport landing attemps are far deadlier than parachute pulls. If there is any significant doubt of the outcome of an engine out situation, I’m going to pull.

BTW, my CT instructor was previously an F-104 instructor pilot for the German Air Force. He drilled it into my head that when there is a problem, the first thought should be “do I need the chute?” You can always reject that option, but if you don’t consider it you will never use it when you really need it.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52561#p52561 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 13:36:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52561#p52561
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52562#p52562 That must have been real tough not to fly for something close to 2 months in the middle of the damn summer ...
It would have been for me , that’s for sure.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52562#p52562 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 13:57:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52562#p52562
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52566#p52566
Warmi wrote:So Andy you are back on your feet ( wings) ?
That must have been real tough not to fly for something close to 2 months in the middle of the damn summer ...
It would have been for me , that’s for sure.


I am just now flying again, but I’m still in a bit of pain sometimes. Shoulders are a tough heal.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52566#p52566 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:20:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52566#p52566
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52568#p52568
MrMorden wrote:. . . Shoulders are a tough heal.

Concur with that totally.
Glad you are back in the saddle, Andy.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52568#p52568 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 22:15:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52568#p52568
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52569#p52569
And yes, the option was always there in training and would have been used if needed as a last resort. Key word being "last". My SportCruiser does not have a chute and I'm glad I was taught by my "idiot" instructor to "fly the plane".

After you pull your chute at least you also have time to text your insurance agent to let them know they just bought an airplane. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52569#p52569 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:05:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52569#p52569
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52570#p52570
ShawnM wrote:After you pull your chute at least you also have time to text your insurance agent to let them know they just bought an airplane. :mrgreen:


Actually, the minute you get in a plane, you no longer own it. You're just borrowing it from the insurance company. So, in the event of an emergency, don't do anything heroic just to save them money!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52570#p52570 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:10:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52570#p52570
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52571#p52571
ShawnM wrote:Just to clear a few things up, his reasoning was that once you pull that chute the pilot now simply becomes a passenger and you have no control of where you land. Will you survive, more than likely you'll walk away without a scratch. But, think about this, what if your plane comes down in a crowded schoolyard or lands on someone's house or car that's occupied or a busy street full of pedestrians. You can very easily kill many innocent people on the ground when it could have been avoided. I also understand that landing a plane off airport can also kill innocent people but at least I'm in control and can make decisions all the way to the ground that may SAVE lives. Everyone has options and has to make the choice that they are comfortable with and can live with the outcome.

And yes, the option was always there in training and would have been used if needed as a last resort. Key word being "last". My SportCruiser does not have a chute and I'm glad I was taught by my "idiot" instructor to "fly the plane".

After you pull your chute at least you also have time to text your insurance agent to let them know they just bought an airplane. :mrgreen:


Shawn,

There is a big gap between only pulling if the wings depart the airplane and first considering it as an option in an emergency. A chute is simply a piece of equipment that can save your life if you are in a situation where you need it. Since it is a piece of equipment on the airplane as a pilot you should be taught the proper way to use it. That is why your instructor did you a disservice.

In your example above, while you don't have control of where you are going under chute. You are coming down with a smaller foot print and less potential energy. I think you are less likely to do damage or cause injury to someone on the ground coming down under chute.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52571#p52571 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 10:25:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52571#p52571
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52572#p52572
A ballistic parachute deploys with a loud noise. In many deployments loud enough for folks on the ground to grab their phones to record the descent. And, theoretically, to get the hell out of the way!

Can a plane under parachute injure those on the ground? Of course. But in practice it just seems not to be happening. The “footprint” of a plane descending vertically is hardly larger that the plane itself. Much, much smaller than that of a plane cutting a horizontal swath of hundreds of feet.

Just something to consider.

Edited to add: partially ninja’d by 3Dreaming.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52572#p52572 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 10:25:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52572#p52572
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52576#p52576 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52576#p52576 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:30:14 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52576#p52576 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52600#p52600
chicagorandy wrote:After reading through all 4 pages worth of posts by experienced pilots and others, I reckon this geezer lower-than-novice aviation enthusiast - namely me - will wait to read the NTSB report on the incident before forming an opinion on the matter.


I got a chuckle out of that! Everyone has an opinion, just walk into a pilot lounge with more than two folks and ask what's better: high wing or low wing! :roll:]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52600#p52600 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:25:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52600#p52600
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52602#p52602
foresterpoole wrote:Everyone has an opinion, just walk into a pilot lounge with more than two folks and ask what's better: high wing or low wing! :roll:


If you ask any two pilots that question, you'll get three answers.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52602#p52602 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:34:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52602#p52602
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52605#p52605 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52605#p52605 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:20:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52605#p52605 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Sportrcruiser accident in Addison Tx :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52608#p52608
chicagorandy wrote:We need to start a motorcycle 'oil thread' then. -- lol


We have one. It's on the "ask the mechanic" forum, and it deals with Rotax engines, which are esentially ... (drum roll, please) ... motorcycle engines.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52608#p52608 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:50:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5138&p=52608#p52608
<![CDATA[Medical Issues :: FAA Third Class Medical :: Author TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5147&p=52637#p52637 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5147&p=52637#p52637 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:25:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5147&p=52637#p52637 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: FAA Third Class Medical :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5147&p=52641#p52641 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5147&p=52641#p52641 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 00:53:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5147&p=52641#p52641 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: FAA Third Class Medical :: Author TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52638#p52638 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52638#p52638 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:25:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52638#p52638 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: FAA Third Class Medical :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52640#p52640 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52640#p52640 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 00:52:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52640#p52640 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: FAA Third Class Medical :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52642#p52642
TimTaylor wrote:Well, to answer my own question, looking at the on-line forms, etc. It looks like they look back 3 years for doctor visits, but the look back for past medical issues doesn't appear to have a time limit. At least, that's how I interpret what the forms are asking for.


I believe that is correct. If you've *ever* had a medical condition like a heart condition, surgery, or other issue, you must report those going back your entire life, but they only ask about relatively recent medical visits.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52642#p52642 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:01:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52642#p52642
<![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: FAA Third Class Medical :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52647#p52647
MrMorden wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Well, to answer my own question, looking at the on-line forms, etc. It looks like they look back 3 years for doctor visits, but the look back for past medical issues doesn't appear to have a time limit. At least, that's how I interpret what the forms are asking for.

I believe that is correct. If you've *ever* had a medical condition like a heart condition, surgery, or other issue, you must report those going back your entire life, but they only ask about relatively recent medical visits.

If any of the applicable boxes (on the FAA Form) are checked, it is supposed to be followed up with more information or explanation in the "Remarks" section.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52647#p52647 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:11:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52647#p52647
<![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: FAA Third Class Medical :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52656#p52656 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52656#p52656 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:19:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5148&p=52656#p52656 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52262#p52262
As cheap as they are, I’m a little paranoid. After setting them, I always clamp the drive end into a bench vise and take it to the click to make sure it feels right. With spark plugs, were the clicker to fail, one could do a lot of damage waiting for a click that never came.

That said, I’m on my third set and no problems to date.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52262#p52262 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 19:17:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52262#p52262
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52264#p52264 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52264#p52264 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:51:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52264#p52264 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52273#p52273
FastEddieB wrote:I took the Professor’s advice some time ago and went the Harbor Freight route. 3/8” and 1/2”.

As cheap as they are, I’m a little paranoid. After setting them, I always clamp the drive end into a bench vise and take it to the click to make sure it feels right. With spark plugs, were the clicker to fail, one could do a lot of damage waiting for a click that never came.

That said, I’m on my third set and no problems to date.


Just an observation, but with new NGK spark plugs I have found that they reach torque after 5/8 of a turn after the screwed in hand tight until the gasket seats. If the one time use gasket has already been compressed all bets are off.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52273#p52273 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:33:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52273#p52273
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52278#p52278 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52278#p52278 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:31:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52278#p52278 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52279#p52279
Not sure about the ROTAX max specs offhand, but it may be handy for landing gear attach bolts and the like. Or, outside of aviation, for lug nuts and so forth.

As an aside, for tiny torques I also have a beam-style 1/4” drive designed for bicycles. It’s rarely called for, but handy occasionally.

As a further aside, there are times a socket is impractical. Then an open end or box end wrench and a spring scale can get the job done. If the force can be applied 12” out, no math involved - apply 50 lbs at 12” and you have 50 ft/lbs of torque. At different arms, some math is required*, and there are apps and websites to help with that.


*For instance, you can get 50 ft/lbs by applying 25 lbs at an arm of 24”. And so on.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52279#p52279 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:16:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52279#p52279
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52280#p52280 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52280#p52280 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:04:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52280#p52280 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52282#p52282
drseti wrote:Almost all of my work is done with a 3/8 in drive, except for avionics (which generally requires 1/4) and landing gear (which, as Eddie suggests, might need 1/2). The big outlier is the ccw nut which holds the drive gear onto the end of the crankshaft in a Rotax 912. If you have gearbox damage and have to replace the big reduction gear, the small drive gear gets changed with it (they're a matched set). That takes a 3/4 in drive monster socket, a crankshaft locking pin, a heat gun to get the old one off, and a whopping 150 ft lb of torque if memory serves. (But nobody should ever trust his or her memory for torquing anything! Look it up in the maintenance manual every time.)


Funny you should mention this. Last month my mechanic and I had to pull off the gearbox for it's 600 hour service. He was afraid that getting that nut off might shear the locking pin. As it turned out it wasn't hard to get off at all(no heat gun required). It didn't look like there was any loctite. There is now and it's 125 ft/lbs. I'm sure when it's due for it's 1000 hour service it will be a bit more of a challenge to get off.]]>
no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52282#p52282 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:19:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52282#p52282
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Torque Wrench :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52285#p52285
rcpilot wrote:It didn't look like there was any loctite.


Sounds like somebody didn't follow the maintenance manual last time. :( Glad you got the loctite on it this time.

I was also a bit afraid of shearing off the crankshaft locking pins, but it turns out if you torque them according to the spec, you put them under compression and they're actually stronger.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52285#p52285 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:44:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5130&p=52285#p52285
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Unleaded :: Author Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52299#p52299
The other alternative is 93 octane with ethanol.

Thanks...]]>
no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52299#p52299 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:27:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52299#p52299
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52302#p52302
https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/rotax-fo ... or-912-uls]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52302#p52302 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:53:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52302#p52302
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Nomore767]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52303#p52303 There were a couple of gas stations near me in SC that sold 93 unleaded until the supply ran out. They switched to 90 unleaded and I switched to 93 E10 with no ill effects thus far.

Vans approve 93E10. Actually they operated an RV-12 on each coast, one running exclusively 100LL and the other 93E10 and, following different oil change intervals for each type, found no adverse issues. My mechanic and I have seen no adverse issues using Mogas with ethanol so far. The plugs are very clean and my mechanic changes them each annual at my request. At under $3 per plug its my choice.

Like you, on the flight home from the factory I used 100LL exclusively as this is what is typically a available, but since then it’s been Mogas. Most of my flying is relatively local such that I bring my own fuel to the hangar. If it sits more than a couple of weeks in the cans I pour it into the truck so I can always try and put the freshest fuel in the plane.
For the price of 93E10 in my area, and store discounts, I always use 93E10, and won’t contemplate using/mixing with 90 octane even if it is non-ethanol.
Non ethanol 89/90 is fairly popular in SC but I always use 93.
On long cross countries if only 100LL is available I have no problem mixing it but I don’t do it regularly or to average out the octane.

At the end of the day Mogas is always cheaper than 100LL, and the new Swift type fuels will likely cost more, so I simply put the highest octane Mogas in.]]>
no_email@example.com (Nomore767) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52303#p52303 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:27:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52303#p52303
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52304#p52304 Non ethanol Mogas 91 was $4.20 at my local airport and 100LL is $4.20 as well ... so Mogas/Swift makes more sense for me..]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52304#p52304 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:26:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52304#p52304 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Nomore767]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52305#p52305 Either way, I’ll stick to Mogas and will be even happier to mix with the new fuels on longer trips. 93E10 is around $2.75 near me after loyalty discounts.

Bottom line...follow airplane manual for approved fuel type.]]>
no_email@example.com (Nomore767) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52305#p52305 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:34:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52305#p52305
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52306#p52306
We can’t use Ethanol Mogas in Stings since about time Rich busted his tank :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52306#p52306 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:33:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52306#p52306
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Nomore767]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52307#p52307
I remember reading Rich’s gas tank story and my heart went out to him.]]>
no_email@example.com (Nomore767) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52307#p52307 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:37:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52307#p52307
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52308#p52308
Warmi wrote:Here is quite relevant thread on the very subject ...

https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/rotax-fo ... or-912-uls

Thanks Warmi, good info in that thread.

I may just run Sunoco 93 unleaded with ethanol.]]>
no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52308#p52308 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:29:22 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52308#p52308
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52314#p52314 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52314#p52314 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:15:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52314#p52314 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52323#p52323 no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52323#p52323 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:55:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52323#p52323 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52324#p52324
1. Swift ( UL 94)
2. Unleaded Mogas 91+
3. Ethanol Mogas
4. 100 LL]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52324#p52324 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:00:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52324#p52324
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52428#p52428
As a data point, I have run about 90% 93 octane mogas with ethanol for 500 hours and it has been fine. But Flight Design is emphatic that 10% ethanol is fine for the CT series, so YMMV. I refuel with 100LL with Decalin added when I'm traveling away from home and don't lose any sleep over the lead.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52428#p52428 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:25:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52428#p52428
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52433#p52433
MrMorden wrote:I will take ethanol over inadequate octane every time, if the airframe allows ethanol. The results of detonation are about an $18,500 mistake for a Rotax 912ULS engine.

As a data point, I have run about 90% 93 octane mogas with ethanol for 500 hours and it has been fine. But Flight Design is emphatic that 10% ethanol is fine for the CT series, so YMMV. I refuel with 100LL with Decalin added when I'm traveling away from home and don't lose any sleep over the lead.

Concur.
The only reservation I have with ethanol use, is if the aircraft sits idle for long periods of time.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52433#p52433 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:21:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52433#p52433
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52435#p52435
MrMorden wrote:I will take ethanol over inadequate octane every time, if the airframe allows ethanol. The results of detonation are about an $18,500 mistake for a Rotax 912ULS engine.

As a data point, I have run about 90% 93 octane mogas with ethanol for 500 hours and it has been fine. But Flight Design is emphatic that 10% ethanol is fine for the CT series, so YMMV. I refuel with 100LL with Decalin added when I'm traveling away from home and don't lose any sleep over the lead.


Yeah, I won't touch anything below 91 but ... I distinctly remember the owner of the school I trained at running all his planes (Remos) on 93 mogas with ethanol and constantly complaining how much additional maintenance he needs to do ( especially rubber related ) because of the fuel he uses.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52435#p52435 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 16:10:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52435#p52435
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52436#p52436 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52436#p52436 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 16:15:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52436#p52436 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52438#p52438
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:Just found another nearby gas station with 91 no ethanol unleaded.


Great! Send some my way.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52438#p52438 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:32:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52438#p52438
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52447#p52447
Start with the website and check if there are any stations close to you. Very helpful.

https://www.pure-gas.org/

At the bottom of the page when it loads is a shaded, orange-ish box, just click on your state and it will list all stations by city in alphabetical order. It'll then show you the brand and octane rating for that station. Users can and do leave notes as to the current prices.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52447#p52447 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 08:46:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52447#p52447
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52448#p52448
drseti wrote:
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:Just found another nearby gas station with 91 no ethanol unleaded.


Great! Send some my way.


Paul, maybe you could talk the airport into becoming a dealer for Swift fuel.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52448#p52448 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 09:32:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52448#p52448
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52450#p52450
Sling 2 Pilot wrote:Just found another nearby gas station with 91 no ethanol unleaded.


Nice!]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52450#p52450 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 09:57:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52450#p52450
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52451#p52451
Wm.Ince wrote:The only reservation I have with ethanol use, is if the aircraft sits idle for long periods of time.


I think we'd have to define "long periods."

Until this week, I would have probably said anything over a few weeks is iffy. BUT, this week was the first time in nine weeks I could fly, due to recent shoulder surgery. I had about half tanks of 93 unleaded with ethanol in the tanks, and I decided to start it with the "old" gas in it and see what happened, and if it ran rough at all I'd drain it and put fresh gas in.

Once I got the battery charged (oops), it started right up, and ran great. I flew about 45 minutes, twice around the pattern and then out away from the airport (to test my new iFly unit with the autopilot), and back for a full-stop landing. It ran great the whole time, at all RPM.

So I think quality ethanol gas (mine was from a local BP station) holds up quite well. BTW I have tested this gas before, and it's about 5-6% ethanol. Higher ethanol content fuel might not hold up as well. I think at the 4-6 month mark it would need to be reevaluated, but based on my experience, fuel sitting for 2-3 months should not really be an issue. Just make sure you check it for water.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52451#p52451 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 10:06:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52451#p52451
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52458#p52458
3Dreaming wrote:Paul, maybe you could talk the airport into becoming a dealer for Swift fuel.


I've tried, Tom. The city owns the airport, and their level of interest couldn't be lower. (Some members of our City Council would just as soon close the airport.) :evil:]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52458#p52458 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:09:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52458#p52458
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52487#p52487
MrMorden wrote:
Wm.Ince wrote:...
Once I got the battery charged (oops), it started right up, and ran great. I flew about 45 minutes, twice around the pattern and then out away from the airport (to test my new iFly unit with the autopilot), and back for a full-stop landing. It ran great the whole time, at all RPM.
...


Sure like a pirep on that setup some time :)]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52487#p52487 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 11:22:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52487#p52487
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52488#p52488
Jim Hardin wrote:
Wm.Ince wrote:...
Once I got the battery charged (oops), it started right up, and ran great. I flew about 45 minutes, twice around the pattern and then out away from the airport (to test my new iFly unit with the autopilot), and back for a full-stop landing. It ran great the whole time, at all RPM.
...
Sure like a pirep on that setup some time :)

Just for the record, that quote did not come from me.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52488#p52488 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 13:06:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52488#p52488
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52489#p52489 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52489#p52489 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 13:42:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52489#p52489 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Unleaded :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52525#p52525
Wm.Ince wrote:
Jim Hardin wrote:
Wm.Ince wrote:...
Once I got the battery charged (oops), it started right up, and ran great. I flew about 45 minutes, twice around the pattern and then out away from the airport (to test my new iFly unit with the autopilot), and back for a full-stop landing. It ran great the whole time, at all RPM.
...
Sure like a pirep on that setup some time :)

Just for the record, that quote did not come from me.


Sorry! I was trying to crop the quotes and screwed it up.

The pirep I was referring to was MrMorden's remark about the iFly.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52525#p52525 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 17:06:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5132&p=52525#p52525
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Author Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52546#p52546
Thanks]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52546#p52546 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:41:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52546#p52546
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52547#p52547
But it would probably be wise to take the time and balance them anyway when able.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52547#p52547 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:53:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52547#p52547
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52551#p52551 If you don't use a set of gauges how will you know which carb screw to turn? Which one needs more influencing than the other?


All things here are not created equal. Carb adjustment, cable tension, slop in on cable over the other, air flow, fuel flow, float height / control, cable friction,,,,,ect...

Put a set of gauges on.]]>
no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52551#p52551 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:44:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52551#p52551
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52552#p52552
roger lee wrote:You must use a gauge at idle to. One carb will ALWAYS influence the sync more than the other. Turning both equally just makes them even more unbalanced. If you've ever synced a carb and did a mechanical sync did you not have to adjust one carb over the other during the pneumatic sync. The answer is yes. This only takes a few minutes and it needs to be done.
If you don't use a set of gauges how will you know which carb screw to turn? Which one needs more influencing than the other?

All things here are not created equal. Carb adjustment, cable tension, slop in on cable over the other, air flow, fuel flow, float height / control, cable friction,,,,,ect...

Put a set of gauges on.

Roger,there are tons of gauges out there. The set that Lockwood sells, does not have a stellar reputation.
Could you recommend some with good quality, that is appropriate for our use?]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52552#p52552 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:31:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52552#p52552
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52563#p52563 Buy two 2 1/4" vacuum gauges from Amazon or someone like that. Make sure the dials are easy to read. The less clutter the better. Most go from 0 - 30 in/ vac. Get a piece of fiberboard about 6" 10". Go to Ace Aviation (Ace Hardware) and buy two 4' pieces of vacuum hose. Do not use the poly tubing for the vacuum hose as it looks in the picture. Buy two small brass needle valves. Now buy 2 barbed fittings that go on the vacuum gauges. The cut the vacuum hose down around 5" from the bottom of the vacuum hose. Put the needle valves in here with two male barbed fittings. Now at the very end of the hose get a couple more barbed fittings that go into the end of the vacuum hose and then on those ends get some more barbed fittings. One needs to be male to go into the end of the carb balance tube rubber hose and the other gauge hose needs a piece of 3/8" poly plastic hose to go over the metal 90 degree that the cross over hose came off of on top of the intake manifold. Your done. Cost will be close to $80 and it should last your lifetime. Some of you longer than others. :lol:

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no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52563#p52563 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 14:13:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52563#p52563
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52564#p52564 no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52564#p52564 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 15:08:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52564#p52564 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52565#p52565 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52565#p52565 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:15:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52565#p52565 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52567#p52567
Image

I returned them and bought two gauges from O’Reilly’s for maybe $15 each and velcro’d them to a box:

Image

The C-clamps did work, but got replaced with brass needle valves, from an aquarium I think.

Anyway, works fine.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52567#p52567 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:46:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52567#p52567
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by JJay]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52574#p52574 no_email@example.com (JJay) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52574#p52574 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:33:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52574#p52574 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52575#p52575
http://www.aerostich.com/twinmax-synchronizer.html

SUPER easy to use and very accurate. Should also work on any carbureted multi-cylinder engine?]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52575#p52575 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:25:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52575#p52575
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Adjusting Idle RPM :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52578#p52578
I had to name the picture something...LOL
Glad it made someone smile.]]>
no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52578#p52578 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:13:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5142&p=52578#p52578
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Author bitten192]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52603#p52603 no_email@example.com (bitten192) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52603#p52603 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:43:20 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52603#p52603 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52607#p52607 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52607#p52607 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52607#p52607 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52615#p52615
On page 3 of the report under "EXCEPTIONS:" there are 5 boxes, NIC, NACp, NACv, SIL and SDA, if they all say "No" you passed. If you fail any of those the box will be shaded red and it'll say "yes" in the box.

Clear as mud, right?]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52615#p52615 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:34:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52615#p52615
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by bitten192]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52619#p52619 no_email@example.com (bitten192) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52619#p52619 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:54:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52619#p52619 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52622#p52622
bitten192 wrote:So no "Green" boxes?


Mine were actually green. But that was when the rebate was still happening. Probably to symbolize the $500 I got.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52622#p52622 Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:59:00 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52622#p52622
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52623#p52623
PAPR (1).jpg


Where you saw the green is on the GAIRS report for the rebate. There are 4 boxes on the GAIRS report and all have to be green for the rebate. Here's my GAIRS report with my incentive code when I got the rebate. I already have my $500 so the code is no good, just in case anyone was going to try for MY rebate. :mrgreen:

There are 4 green boxes representing $100 dollar bills and the 5th $100 bill you get for a bonus will be for the 1099 the government sends you next year.

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no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52623#p52623 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:01:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52623#p52623
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52624#p52624 knew I saw green boxes somewhere!]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52624#p52624 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:33:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52624#p52624 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52625#p52625
I do have a couple of PAPR reports with RED boxes when I had spotty reception with my GPS antenna mounted under the cowling. I've since moved it to the top of the plane right behind the canopy and all subsequent reports have been perfect. My "ADS-B Fail" annunciator light has never come on again since I moved the antenna. :mrgreen:

I try to pull PAPR report randonally to confirm everything is working as designed. I typically fly in "anonymous" mode but when I want a report I have to turn that off.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52625#p52625 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:17:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52625#p52625
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52702#p52702
Back in June, I received a registered letter from Michael A. Smith of the FAA that kindly let me know that my ADS-B out has errors and when did I plan to fix. I called and spoke to Mr. Smith to walk him through my situation and emailed information of the FAA agreement. Mr. Smith seemed OK. I was grounded for 2 months due to a medical issue then flew 3 times in a week. I received a nice email last week from Mr. Smith letting me know my unit appeared to be faulty on multiple flights and when was I going to the repair shop?

It just so happened I was going to Little Rock for a chute repack and decided I didn't want to fight city hall so had SportAir install a GDL-82 while they had my plane apart. Cost around $2500 including the GDL-82. Worked flawlessly today from KORK to T31 as per the ADS-B performance report.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52702#p52702 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:04:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52702#p52702
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: ADSB PERFORMANCE REPORT :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52703#p52703 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52703#p52703 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:50:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5144&p=52703#p52703 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Author 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52540#p52540
Timing is spot on, so what's the problem? It won't rev higher than 2500 RPM. Red line is 3k, but run up instructions are to go to 2750 for 30 seconds. The only other variable is the carb. perhaps some schmegma is lodged in the main jet? I put some Save the Baby type cleaner in the fuel tank, but that takes time to work.

Removing the carbs is a real pain, I guess I'm looking for an easier solution before going through all that. When I rebuild this type of carb for a 1966 Datsun I had, the kit came with a 45 minute video, not a good sign.....

Suggestions greatly appreciated.

Dan]]>
no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52540#p52540 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:09:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52540#p52540
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52686#p52686
Rats. More befuddled than ever.]]>
no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52686#p52686 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 07:48:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52686#p52686
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52688#p52688
http://constructeur-amateur-aviation-lo ... -carbs.pdf]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52688#p52688 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 08:29:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52688#p52688
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by joey4420]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52692#p52692 no_email@example.com (joey4420) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52692#p52692 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:33:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52692#p52692 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52705#p52705 no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52705#p52705 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:39:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52705#p52705 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52710#p52710
914Driver wrote:I thought of that but dismissed it because the ship flew in its current setting under the previous owner.

What is acceptable to previous owners may not be acceptable for the rest of us.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52710#p52710 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:27:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52710#p52710
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52711#p52711 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52711#p52711 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:34:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52711#p52711 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52716#p52716
Dan]]>
no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52716#p52716 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:45:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52716#p52716
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52717#p52717 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52717#p52717 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:56:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52717#p52717 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Having issues with a 2 liter boxer engine. :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52718#p52718 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52718#p52718 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:06:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5141&p=52718#p52718 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52394#p52394
Basically, all the electrical and fixtures are in and just need the subcontractor to arrange the final electrical inspection.

Garage lights up:

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Water heater and air conditioning finalized:

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Kitchen cabinets and tile in, just need to grout:

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Bathroom tile proceeding:

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Granite countertops ordered and washer/dryer getting delivered next week. Laminate tile should get started on the second story tomorrow.

Contractor is hoping for the Certificate of Occupancy by the end of August. I hope he means this August!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52394#p52394 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 20:36:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52394#p52394
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52395#p52395 no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52395#p52395 Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:41:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52395#p52395 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52399#p52399 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52399#p52399 Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:08:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52399#p52399 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52400#p52400
When's the house warming party? Have you mailed the invitations? I didn't get mine yet. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52400#p52400 Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:00:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52400#p52400
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52401#p52401
ShawnM wrote:I'll bet it's getting exciting Eddie, looking good.

When's the house warming party? Have you mailed the invitations? I didn't get mine yet. :mrgreen:
I'll be there.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52401#p52401 Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:11:26 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52401#p52401
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52403#p52403
You used copper water lines. Why not PVC?]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52403#p52403 Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:58:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52403#p52403
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52404#p52404
Jim Hardin wrote:Curious?

You used copper water lines. Why not PVC?


Most of the water lines are blue and red plastic - I forget the name. For some reason, many terminate with copper fittings - see the water heater above for an example.

I really had no input and trusted the plumbing subcontractor to make the right choices.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52404#p52404 Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:56:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52404#p52404
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52405#p52405 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52405#p52405 Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:09:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52405#p52405 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52406#p52406
FastEddieB wrote:
Jim Hardin wrote:Curious?

You used copper water lines. Why not PVC?


Most of the water lines are blue and red plastic - I forget the name. For some reason, many terminate with copper fittings - see the water heater above for an example.

I really had no input and trusted the plumbing subcontractor to make the right choices.

Those blue and red plastic pipes are really neat. Clearly defines hot and cold, but - as I found out the hard way, when a water pipe at my Cascades cabin froze and burst - this new stuff won't do that. So, If the power goes off during a winter storm (imagine that?), you won't have that problem to worry about.]]>
no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52406#p52406 Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:49:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52406#p52406
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52407#p52407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=JLoge6QzcGY]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52407#p52407 Sun, 29 Jul 2018 15:26:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52407#p52407
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52469#p52469
FastEddieB wrote:
Jim Hardin wrote:Curious?

You used copper water lines. Why not PVC?


Most of the water lines are blue and red plastic - I forget the name. For some reason, many terminate with copper fittings - see the water heater above for an example.

I really had no input and trusted the plumbing subcontractor to make the right choices.


Plastic/PVC gets brittle over time, especially exposed to hot water. The failure points tend to be at the fittings and valves, so those are the parts you want to be metal. Your contractor is doing the right thing there.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52469#p52469 Fri, 03 Aug 2018 10:35:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52469#p52469
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52491#p52491
I still solder my way out of trouble :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52491#p52491 Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:47:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52491#p52491
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52514#p52514
It's taken a while, and the LED lights are hung and we finally have power to our new home.

Things worked out perfectly. Each pair is on its own switch, allowing for variable lighting.

Center pair on gives adequate light for just puttering around:

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End pairs on should be bright enough for most chores:

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All lights on are seriously bright:

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Be aware my iPhone is doing its best to "normalize" the brightness, but IRL choosing between the 3 pairs makes clear, incremental increases in light intensity.

Here's a shot showing the 7th light for the "garage:

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Its nice when things work out as planned (for a change!)]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52514#p52514 Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:23:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52514#p52514
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52541#p52541 no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52541#p52541 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:25:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52541#p52541 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52542#p52542 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52542#p52542 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:42:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52542#p52542 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52545#p52545
drseti wrote:Eddie, I especially like that you don't allow your contractors to stand on their heads and smoke.


It was a carefully negotiated compromise!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52545#p52545 Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:56:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52545#p52545
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52639#p52639
HAPPYDAN wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:
Jim Hardin wrote:Curious?

You used copper water lines. Why not PVC?


Most of the water lines are blue and red plastic - I forget the name. For some reason, many terminate with copper fittings - see the water heater above for an example.

I really had no input and trusted the plumbing subcontractor to make the right choices.

Those blue and red plastic pipes are really neat. Clearly defines hot and cold, but - as I found out the hard way, when a water pipe at my Cascades cabin froze and burst - this new stuff won't do that. So, If the power goes off during a winter storm (imagine that?), you won't have that problem to worry about.


The red and blue piping is called PEX, it is an acronym for cross linked polyethylene. The copper to you see are just flexible supply lines so you can change out the water heater faster (and bend it to fit if the replacement tank is a different size), most fittings are still designed for copper and will remain so for the foreseeable future, so terminal ends will be copper. PEX is super easy to run through walls, needs no soder joints, or pesky cleaner/glue like PVC. While highly burst resistant, it's still possible to bust PEX if it freezes solid with back pressure. It's a bit more expensive than PVC, but because it is easier to work with from a rough in stand point it's about the same price install wise.

Just FYI if you even see that grey plastic stuff, RUN AWAY it's horrible, I spent many an hour pulling it out of houses.]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52639#p52639 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 23:36:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52639#p52639
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52667#p52667
Long story short - drywall screws can easily defeat PEX!

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This was a line running to one of the two outside spigots.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52667#p52667 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:27:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52667#p52667
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by rsteele]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52669#p52669
foresterpoole wrote:
HAPPYDAN wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:
Just FYI if you even see that grey plastic stuff, RUN AWAY it's horrible, I spent many an hour pulling it out of houses.


Oh, yeah! I lived in a rental that had that stuff. It failed. It's amazing how much water can come out of a 1/2in open pipe in a few seconds. It happened during a winter storm so my wife and I were both home from work. I hate to think what would have happed if we weren't home. Not my house, but it was full of my stuff and living in a house while all the pluming is being replaced is well beyond inconvenient. Copper replacement. Very loud compared to plastic. I would have preferred PEX.

Eddie, I haven't commented on your project yet. I looks terrific. Congratulations.

Ron]]>
no_email@example.com (rsteele) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52669#p52669 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:56:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52669#p52669
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52679#p52679
FastEddieB wrote:As an aside, we were trying to track down a water leak in the kitchen wall. After trying to chase down where it might be intruding from the outside, it dawned on us it might be a plumbing problem. Sure enough, when we turned off the water main the leak stopped.

Long story short - drywall screws can easily defeat PEX!


Maybe introduce your general contractor to "nail plates". Had they been installed this would have never happened. Just food for thought. :mrgreen:

Glad you are making more progress on your dream home.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52679#p52679 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:52:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52679#p52679
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52680#p52680
We finally feel we're in the home stretch!

1) We got back from a FL trip for my daughter's wedding to find the meter had been moved from the temp pole to the house. That means we have power! All the myriad switched and fixtures seem to work, as do the garage and bifold doors. Huge hurdle passed!

2) Karen said as of yesterday we have air conditioning!

3) Granite is ready to go in the kitchen later this week.

4) Shower glass has been ordered and is 2 or 3 weeks out. Ordered from a member here, BTW!

Now working on some more grading and graveling and seeding and drainage paths outside. Plumbing needs to be finished up with toilets and vanity tops and sinks and stuff to be hooked up. But it does feel like the end is in site.

As an aside, Karen is suggesting Sept 22 as a "hold that date" for a housewarming, if anyone cares to attend. Details to follow.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52680#p52680 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:55:43 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52680#p52680
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Pole Barn progress! :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52685#p52685
FastEddieB wrote:As an aside, we were trying to track down a water leak in the kitchen wall. After trying to chase down where it might be intruding from the outside, it dawned on us it might be a plumbing problem. Sure enough, when we turned off the water main the leak stopped.

Long story short - drywall screws can easily defeat PEX!

Image

This was a line running to one of the two outside spigots.


I'll second nail plates, with PEX it's harder because it can flex and get out of place. It sounds like someone missed the stud...]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52685#p52685 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 23:14:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5027&p=52685#p52685
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Gobosh G700S (Aero AT-4) S-LSA - Sexy, Sleek, meticulously maintained :: Author TailTouch]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5150&p=52687#p52687 TTAF: 1290, TTSN: 1290; Prop & Gearbox 140 hrs.
Recent annual completed in Apr 2018.

$59,900
Transition training available.

Flies like a dream. A stupid decision on my part but I want a warbird/aerobatic airplane. Wish had the $$$ for both :(

Email jull_under@yahoo.com or call 407-901-1665 for details. PLEASE...no tire kickers !

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Certified Rotax 912S (You can file IFR flight plans in VFR conditions legally...go read on this).

Standard “Six Pack” avionics with MD200 VOR/LOC/GS indicator
• Garmin SL30 Radio/Navigation Transceiver
• Garmin GTX327 Transponder
• Garmin 496 GPS System
• PS Engr. PM3000 Intercom
• TL Elektronic Engine Monitor
• Dual Throttles
• Leather Seats
• Tinted Canopy
• 66 lbs baggage capacity

Extensive and meticulous annual in Feb 2016
• New Propeller
• New Michelin Tires & Tubes
• New Gill G-25 Battery
• New brakes and brake pads
• New Altimeter and DG
• New Gearbox
• Newly rebuilt & synced carbs

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