<![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:56:16 -0500 Smartfeed Extension for phpBB 3.1 http://sportpilottalk.com/styles/prosilver/theme/images/site_logo.gif <![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com en-GB Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:56:16 -0500 60 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: new person :: Reply by BenThereToo]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48195#p48195
My name is Steven,
I became a private pilot back in the 80s when dual was $45 an hour and airplane was $35 wet. I flew 152, 172 and Skippers for several years.
I then went to school and received my A&P and went to work at a local FBO, working on about every biz jet you can think of. started a family and then got high blood pressure (figures) and then had my medical denied. I was happy working on jets and got my fill of aviation for many year doing that.
The kids are now grown, and I would like to say "out of the house" but kids these days dont want to leave the nest. I have recently been bitten by the bug to fly again, but still have high BP (controlled) and diabetes (controlled) now. Because of the medical requirement hassles, thought I would go the LSA direction.
I know I have the medical denial hanging over my head, so I have contacted the FAA for help, and I have some friend with the FAA assisting me too. Hopefully once I have the medical issue taken care of I'm thinking about a Quicksilver, some sort of two-seater. Low and Slow is fine with me. My folks have land begging to have a little strip cut out of it. So I am hoping for the FAA to come through for me.
Best Regards
Steven]]>
no_email@example.com (BenThereToo) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48195#p48195 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:55:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48195#p48195
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: new person :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48196#p48196 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48196#p48196 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:11:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48196#p48196 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: new person :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48200#p48200 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48200#p48200 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 00:00:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4917&p=48200#p48200 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: New Guy :: Author BenThereToo]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48207#p48207
My name is Steven,
I became a private pilot back in the 80s when dual was $45 an hour and aircraft were $35 wet. I flew Cessna 152, 172 and Beech Skippers for several years.
I then went to school and received my A&P and went to work at a local FBO, working on about every biz jet you can think of. started a family and then got high blood pressure (figures) and then had my medical denied. I was happy working on jets and got my fill of aviation for many year doing that.
The kids are now grown, and I would like to say "out of the house" but kids these days dont want to leave the nest. I have recently been bitten by the bug to fly again, but still have high BP (controlled) and diabetes (controlled) now. Because of the medical requirement hassles, thought I would go the LSA direction.
I know I have the medical denial hanging over my head, so I have contacted the FAA for help, and I have some friend with the FAA assisting me too. Hopefully once I have the medical issue taken care of I'm thinking about a Quicksilver, some sort of two-seater. Low and Slow is fine with me. My folks have land begging to have a little strip cut out of it. So I am hoping for the FAA to come through for me.
Best Regards
Sreven]]>
no_email@example.com (BenThereToo) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48207#p48207 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:47:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48207#p48207
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by joey4420]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48211#p48211 no_email@example.com (joey4420) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48211#p48211 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:50:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48211#p48211 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48212#p48212
Over on the Pilots of America forum is a Dr. Bruce Chien. He has a reputation for being able to guide people with “issues” through the medical certification process. I have no personal experience with him, but he seems to know what he’s doing.

Sounds like you may have it covered, but thought I’d throw it out there as an option.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48212#p48212 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 07:30:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48212#p48212
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48215#p48215
BenThereToo wrote: So I am hoping for the FAA to come through for me.



That's somewhat akin to speaking softly to a rattlesnake and hoping it doesn't bite you. I concur with the suggestion to contact Dr. Bruce before you go any further. Without knowledgeable help, you could easily dig yourself into a very deep hole.

And welcome to the forum!]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48215#p48215 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:39:31 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48215#p48215
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48216#p48216 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48216#p48216 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:46:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48216#p48216 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48217#p48217
TimTaylor wrote:The hole is already dug with the previous denial. He needs to see if he can qualify for a special issue 3rd class.



Agreed, and without some specialized help (like Dr. Bruce), he could easily dig it deeper then fill it on top of himself.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48217#p48217 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:29:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48217#p48217
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48218#p48218 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48218#p48218 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:42:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48218#p48218 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by BenThereToo]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48219#p48219 But I don't believe that I have dug any hole with the FAA, quite the opposite in fact. They have been more than helpful. So far. I work for a part 135 charter operation and have been working with the FAA for many year, and there are many steps working with them, NO doubt. So I am kind of use to the paperwork process. It sounds that I will most likely implement FAR part 67.401-Special inssuance of medical certificate. we will see. I have hope.
Best Regards
Steven]]>
no_email@example.com (BenThereToo) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48219#p48219 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:59:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48219#p48219
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Hello from Texas :: Author flying_man]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48220#p48220 My plans to become an airline pilot faded away by the time I graduated high school and then went off to get a B. Of Architecture in 2008. I just passed my final (of 7) architect registration exams and am in the works to start my office.
I'm 30 now and have been lurking around to see what's changed in general aviation since I stopped being current... WOW! So much has changed. The whole SPL and LSA thing blew up during my absence and I've been catching up over the last year. Not to mention the glass cockpit everywhere.
I'm hoping to start flying lessons within the next two years, considering starting with SPL first and then finish off for a PPL. My aim is to just travel the country a little here and there throughout the seasons and enjoy the sights and food.
I prefer low-wing planes and have not been disappointed with the options. My initial interests so far are the Arion lightning, Vans RV-12/14, and Bristell (my favorite so far). I just learned about the KLA-100 as well today on this forum. Let's hope business goes well, or that I win the lotto :roll:
Hope to keep being surprised as I head towards that SPL.]]>
no_email@example.com (flying_man) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48220#p48220 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:13:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48220#p48220
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48221#p48221 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48221#p48221 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:20:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48221#p48221 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48222#p48222 There isn't much difference in terms of training requirements and if you are PP you can always fly LSA if that's what you prefer.
Personally, I went for SP despite being in my mid 40s and probably should have gone PP but in my case I always wanted to fly LSA to begin with ( pretty much fun flying only )

Certified planes are incredibly expensive - I wouldn't mind a modern design like DA40 but alas, beyond my price range - and yes, sure you can get a certified plane for 1/2 the price of an LSA but it will be about 40 years old and it will definitely look the part.

Certified GA market is essentially dead - the whole enterprise frankly reminds me of automotive markets in old commie countries ( still evident in places like Cuba) - a slow trickle of new designs available only to super-rich while everyone else desperately trying to keep their 40-50 year old cars running as long as possible ....]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48222#p48222 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:05:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48222#p48222
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48224#p48224
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i05j3jlom5z6jl/panel.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48224#p48224 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:30:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48224#p48224
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48225#p48225
Just my $.02.

Welcome to Sport Pilot Talk!]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48225#p48225 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:32:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48225#p48225
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48226#p48226 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48226#p48226 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:37:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48226#p48226 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48227#p48227
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48227#p48227 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:10:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48227#p48227
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48228#p48228
Warmi wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.

That's incorrect. The technology is basically the same as it is today. It's not a plastic airplane and it doesn't have a glass cockpit, but otherwise nothing much has changed since Orville and Wilbur. Airplanes can be well cared for and last almost indefinitely. I doubt a current plastic LSA will last for 40 or 50 years.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48228#p48228 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:19:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48228#p48228
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48229#p48229
TimTaylor wrote:Whether or not you can continue to fly under Basic Med or LSA with a driver's license would depend on your health at the time. You cannot continue to fly if you have any condition that would make you unfit or unsafe to fly.

Absolutely true; perhaps incorrectly, I assumed everybody knows this.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48229#p48229 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:56:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48229#p48229
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48230#p48230
Scooper wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Whether or not you can continue to fly under Basic Med or LSA with a driver's license would depend on your health at the time. You cannot continue to fly if you have any condition that would make you unfit or unsafe to fly.

Absolutely true; perhaps incorrectly, I assumed everybody knows this.

They probably do.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48230#p48230 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:19:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48230#p48230
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48231#p48231
TimTaylor wrote:
Warmi wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.

That's incorrect. The technology is basically the same as it is today. It's not a plastic airplane and it doesn't have a glass cockpit, but otherwise nothing much has changed since Orville and Wilbur. Airplanes can be well cared for and last almost indefinitely. I doubt a current plastic LSA will last for 40 or 50 years.


Technology is not the same , not by a long shot . You could say the same thing about cars but , beyond tiny and specialized antique markets, nobody in their right mind would even bother looking at buying and maintaining cars from 1960s or 70s ( except people who don't have any other choice , ie in Cuba and similar hell holes)
And why not ? At the basic level a car from 1960s will probably go just as fast and will take you just as far as any modern car but it is the other things ( safety , efficiency , comfort ) that make all the difference.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48231#p48231 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:20:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48231#p48231
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48232#p48232 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48232#p48232 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:07:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48232#p48232 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by akroguy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48233#p48233
Warmi wrote:I would say , go for PP.
There isn't much difference in terms of training requirements and if you are PP you can always fly LSA if that's what you prefer.
Personally, I went for SP despite being in my mid 40s and probably should have gone PP but in my case I always wanted to fly LSA to begin with ( pretty much fun flying only )

Certified planes are incredibly expensive - I wouldn't mind a modern design like DA40 but alas, beyond my price range - and yes, sure you can get a certified plane for 1/2 the price of an LSA but it will be about 40 years old and it will definitely look the part.

Certified GA market is essentially dead - the whole enterprise frankly reminds me of automotive markets in old commie countries ( still evident in places like Cuba) - a slow trickle of new designs available only to super-rich while everyone else desperately trying to keep their 40-50 year old cars running as long as possible ....


Solid advice, and I concur. You sure can get a legacy certified spam can for much less than a modern LSA, but you'll be constantly dealing with everything being old, rough, hard to work on, and with TSO'd parts that are straight out of the stone age that cost waaaaay too much. My C-180 was turning into a money pit, TBO looming over the horizon (to keep it viable for sale, if anything else...still running great though).

Going SLSA is proving a nice alternative for me on many levels. I do miss that horsepower though. Although, I'm re-learning to fly the wing, and not just hang it on the engine. I absolutely do NOT miss the fueling hassle....ladder, hauling the hose up there (had big tires) and it needed a lot of it! Just taking a couple 5 gallon cans to the local station, filling up with premium and topping off the Sportstar is super easy and cheap(er).

I would equate the two as being the Miata vs. Suburban of the light aviation world. One gets the work done, but the other one is a HELLUVA lot more fun.

Brian
'06 Evektor Sportstar]]>
no_email@example.com (akroguy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48233#p48233 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:03:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48233#p48233
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48234#p48234
Change of spark plug? $260 for GA vs $56 for LSA.

Vacuum pump go out? $260-$1000 for GA vs don't have one LSA.

I needed a bearing for a 1960 generator. $29 for 'aircraft' or $1.50 for non-aircraft. (guess which one I got :lol: )

Will composite LSAs hold up over time? Yes and No. UV is their enemy, so yes if you cover or hanger them. No if you don't :| But UV is also the enemy of fabric covered aircraft too.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48234#p48234 Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:58:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48234#p48234
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: New member from KRYY, Kennesaw GA :: Author RBearden56]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48337#p48337 I still have a bit of a time wrapping my mind around why does a private pilot need a medical when a LSP is almost the same with the restrictions. I would like it if they drop the class 3 medical and allow pilots whop acquire hours to fly larger aircraft (my Allegro is larger and faster than a Cessna 150/152) and carry more than one passenger. Does a small dog in a carry on bag count when my wife flies with me? I think that if they did that they could treat it like flying into class D, C or B airspace, with proper training, establish required hours, and a log book endorsement, or check ride. My first trainer was a Beechcraft B19 Sport. 150hp engine and 4 place aircraft heavier that 600Kg but not much faster, if at all. There are LSA around for less than 50K so if airworthy a good buy and courses available to do maintenance under the LSRM and if experimental you can do your own annuals under the LSRI cert.
Look forward to completing the training and going to some airshows or Oshkosh...
Randy]]>
no_email@example.com (RBearden56) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48337#p48337 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 17:17:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48337#p48337
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New member from KRYY, Kennesaw GA :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48338#p48338 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48338#p48338 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 17:26:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48338#p48338 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New member from KRYY, Kennesaw GA :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48364#p48364
The difference between Private Pilot and Sport Pilot is bureaucratic control! After 25 years of service, and thank you for that, I would think you recognized it :D

After years of lip service about the Basic Medical proposal, it took Congress to force the FAA into action.

Again, welcome aboard and looking forward to your posts.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48364#p48364 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:13:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48364#p48364
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: My First Passenger :: Author Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48185#p48185
Weather was gorgeous this morning, no clouds, winds about 2 knots, and we flew out of Apopka (X04) and headed south for a short sight-seeing flight. I stayed at 2500' for the entire flight which was great for enjoying the view. We flew down to Lake Wales, got an airborne view of Bok Tower ( https://boktowergardens.org/ ), then headed back north and overflew my house in Haines City on the way back to Apopka.

Winds were gusty back at Apopka, but I got us back on the ground okay and the plane can be flown again, so I guess it qualifies as a great landing. 1.5 on the Hobbs, and a score of 10 on the funmeter. My son loved it and is looking forward to going up again soon.

And I have to say... It certainly was a pleasant change to make a flight without the engine failing six times, without having to land on a soft field, then a short field, then a soft field, without a cabin fire, without equipment failures, and on and on. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48185#p48185 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:38:37 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48185#p48185
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48186#p48186 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48186#p48186 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:44:11 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48186#p48186 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by Type47]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48188#p48188 I spent a lot of time giving rides around lake apopka too.
One of my favorites is flying to breakfast at Tampa North X39.
Nice flight, not too long, and great food at the little restaurant there.
Careful of the class bravo.
Congrats on getting your cert and happy flying!]]>
no_email@example.com (Type47) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48188#p48188 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:34:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48188#p48188
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48190#p48190
Type47 wrote:Great fun!
I spent a lot of time giving rides around lake apopka too.
One of my favorites is flying to breakfast at Tampa North X39.
Nice flight, not too long, and great food at the little restaurant there.
Careful of the class bravo.
Congrats on getting your cert and happy flying!



I'll have to try that. I'm looking for a place to take my wife for her first flight, and X39 might be a good option. I was also considering Williston (X60) as I think she'd enjoy flying over the Ocala horse country. I've heard Williston also has a good restaurant at the airport.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48190#p48190 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:50:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48190#p48190
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by akroguy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48197#p48197 our airplane).

I wish the winds were as peaceful as on your flight. We got tossed around a bit and flew final back at home with a helluva crab angle. Into the flare, the wind settled down and all was well. The Skywagon was a real handful in such crosswinds. I think I'm a low wing guy but it's taken 600+ hours to figure that out.

I'm taking my dad up tomorrow.

It just keeps getting better. :D

Brian
06 Sportstar]]>
no_email@example.com (akroguy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48197#p48197 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:56:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48197#p48197
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48199#p48199
Half Fast wrote:And I have to say... It certainly was a pleasant change to make a flight without the engine failing six times, without having to land on a soft field, then a short field, then a soft field, without a cabin fire, without equipment failures, and on and on. :mrgreen:


I read this and blew coke out my nose I was laughing so hard! Sounds like you had a blast!]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48199#p48199 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:52:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48199#p48199
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48204#p48204
foresterpoole wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
I read this and blew coke out my nose I was laughing so hard! Sounds like you had a blast!



My apologies. I'm sure cocaine must be very expensive. Sorry you wasted some. :twisted:

And we did have a blast!]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48204#p48204 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:10:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48204#p48204
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48205#p48205 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48205#p48205 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:22:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48205#p48205 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: My First Passenger :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48209#p48209
akroguy wrote:
I wish the winds were as peaceful as on your flight. We got tossed around a bit and flew final back at home with a helluva crab angle. Into the flare, the wind settled down and all was well. The Skywagon was a real handful in such crosswinds. I think I'm a low wing guy but it's taken 600+ hours to figure that out.



Well, winds were peaceful when we took off, and we had smooth air at 2500, but the descent and landing were pretty bumpy. Down below 1500 we were getting knocked around a lot, and the gusting crosswind on landing was difficult. My landing was a bit harder than I'd like and we had a small baby-bounce at touchdown, but pilot, passenger, and plane were all reusable. Apopka (X04) is known for gusting crosswinds, made worse by the landscape, and landing there can be a challenge sometimes.

If it had been any worse, I would have flown over to Orlando North and set it down there. That's not too uncommon, and the folks from First Landings will send a car over to pick up a pilot if necessary. They'd rather do that than have a crunched airplane.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48209#p48209 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:05:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4932&p=48209#p48209
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: New Private Pilot :: Author foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48189#p48189 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48189#p48189 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:37:46 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48189#p48189 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48191#p48191 Well done . . . and I commend you for hanging in there through it all.]]> no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48191#p48191 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:08:40 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48191#p48191 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48192#p48192 CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

Well done, sir.

:D

Concur about the Tecnam vs the 172. I've been flying Tecnams (flew a Tecnam Eagle today, in fact) and I flew a friend's 172 a while ago. After the LS, that 172 felt like driving a truck.

Maybe not a good analogy - more like driving the family van after spending hours in a Miata.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48192#p48192 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:18:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48192#p48192
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48193#p48193 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48193#p48193 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:26:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48193#p48193 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48194#p48194
Oh, Arion Lightning ... was looking at that plane as well and beautiful plane it is indeed. Ultimately ,in my case settling for something much more docile ( for a low time dude like me ) and readily accessible maintenance friendly ( Rotax vs Jabiru ) was the right choice.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48194#p48194 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:28:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48194#p48194
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48206#p48206 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48206#p48206 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:42:11 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48206#p48206 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by pjdavis]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48210#p48210
PJ]]>
no_email@example.com (pjdavis) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48210#p48210 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:27:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48210#p48210
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48235#p48235
Glad to have you in the ranks :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48235#p48235 Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:06:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48235#p48235
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48236#p48236
If you feel like a trip to the mountains, remember us in Copperhll, TN!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48236#p48236 Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:14:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48236#p48236
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: $100 Pancakes :: Author rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48315#p48315
We must have overwhelmed the tower a bit(12 people confirmed they were going). After I terminated my flight following I tried contacting the tower between their calls to other planes to no avail. I made a 360 to avoid entering the class D and still couldn't get their attention. After another 360 I get them and I'm #3 in the pattern. Geez.

Nice bunch of people(my former classmate wasn't able to make it). Food(I had the banana walnut pancakes) and conversation was good. Trip back was uneventful. It's nice having somewhere to go so I'll have to do this more often(although my plane is a bit drafty and it's not getting any warmer). So if you are in this neck of the woods, KPOU is a nice place to stop for a bite to eat.]]>
no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48315#p48315 Sun, 03 Dec 2017 07:59:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48315#p48315
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: $100 Pancakes :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48316#p48316 ). Being one of the "80%" is a real bummer.]]> no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48316#p48316 Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:46:52 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48316#p48316 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: $100 Pancakes :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48317#p48317 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48317#p48317 Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:15:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48317#p48317 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Maybe You Didn't Know... :: Author HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48326#p48326 https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... 1208epilot]]> no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48326#p48326 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 11:24:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48326#p48326 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Maybe You Didn't Know... :: Reply by pjdavis]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48329#p48329
PJ]]>
no_email@example.com (pjdavis) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48329#p48329 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 18:26:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48329#p48329
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Ramp Apes :: Author Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4948&p=48366#p48366
I heard a helicopter make a few blind calls as he approached the field. Next thing, a ramp ape bursts in cussing about the helicopter taxiing too close to the building/parked aircraft and demand the girl at the desk call him! I am pretty sure that anyone driving a turbine helicopter is aware of their powerful wake and their responsibilities. By then the pilot was busy with his passengers and not on the radio.

As he taxied out to leave the ramp ape grabs the mike and makes contact. He proceeds to berate the pilot and finishes with "... then don't come the F--- back here".

I was not in a position to actually see what was going on, but I don't think this is the guy you want as your ambassador.

At least it was offset when I came back from the sim and found my wife had cornered 3 locals and were talking about an earlier era of aviation. They also recommended a good nearby place to eat :P

The sim was a Cirrus and I'll go back when I can to try out a real one. AND to take another crack at those scallops!]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4948&p=48366#p48366 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:57:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4948&p=48366#p48366
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Author N918KT]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48325#p48325
Particularly, I am wondering for those of you who decided to become a sport pilot because of having issues with getting a 3rd class medical for private pilot, were you comfortable stating that reason to your fellow pilots or CFI? How did they react? Did they encourage you to still jump through hoops to get a 3rd class medical? Did they even question what medical condition you have that would prevent you getting a 3rd class and were you comfortable answering that question to them?

If not, did you explain to them you became a sport pilot because it was easier or cheaper (which may or may not be true) or for any other reasons without explaining the fact you have an issue with getting a medical?]]>
no_email@example.com (N918KT) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48325#p48325 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 10:58:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48325#p48325
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48327#p48327 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48327#p48327 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 14:22:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48327#p48327 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48328#p48328 no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48328#p48328 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 15:45:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48328#p48328 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48332#p48332
In my case the annual burden, cost, uncertainty and over-diagnosis and over-treatment of recurring kidney stones. I was never denied the Special Issuance for my medical, but what a hassle.

A lot of that has been alleviated with BasicMed, for those of us lucky enough to have held a medical in the last 10 years. I can easily tell if and when a stone might be a problem, and its nice the FAA allows me the latitude to ground myself only when I suspect there's an issue.

I just feel "blessed" that at an age where some of these relatively minor medical issues become problematical, the FAA has found a way for me to stay in the air, and now to fly a wider variety of aircraft.

Though my heart remains with Light Sport!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48332#p48332 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 08:59:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48332#p48332
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48333#p48333
Of course, you can tell from some folks voice tone when they talk about "flying on a driver license", that they have invested a lot into navigating insane bureaucratic maze created by the FAA (for general aviation) and look at the Sport License as a lesser , or cheating , way of getting into aviation but who cares ...

There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48333#p48333 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 10:34:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48333#p48333
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Merlinspop]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48335#p48335 no_email@example.com (Merlinspop) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48335#p48335 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 12:30:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48335#p48335 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by pjdavis]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48336#p48336 no_email@example.com (pjdavis) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48336#p48336 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 16:52:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48336#p48336 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48339#p48339
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48339#p48339 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:09:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48339#p48339
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48340#p48340
Merlinspop wrote:Just tell them that it lasted more than four hours and you sought immediate medical attention... they'll drop the subject and never bring it up again.



Or tell them....

"Bruce Jenner's SI cost $30,000 and that's too rich for me."]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48340#p48340 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:12:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48340#p48340
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48341#p48341
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.


Right wing BS.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48341#p48341 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:19:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48341#p48341
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48342#p48342
TimTaylor wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.


Right wing BS.



Typical left wing argument.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48342#p48342 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:35:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48342#p48342
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48343#p48343 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48343#p48343 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:40:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48343#p48343 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48344#p48344 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48344#p48344 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:00:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48344#p48344 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48345#p48345
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48345#p48345 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:54:38 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48345#p48345
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48346#p48346
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.



My comments were directed at the FAA's silliness and also at getting nosy people who ask nosy questions to keep their noses out of other people's business. Is that political in your mind? If so, oh well - then I guess it's political, though it's beyond me how you get "right wing" out of it.

The AOPA and the EAA lobbied for years to do away with the medical. They failed. Basic Med was a weak compromise, and they don't seem to be expending any serious effort to do better. I don't hold out any hope of a having a DL medical for anything beyond Sport Pilot.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48346#p48346 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:00:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48346#p48346
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48347#p48347
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48347#p48347 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:18:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48347#p48347
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48349#p48349
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.

This is clearly a right-wing political opinion. You are free to express it and I am free to respond.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48349#p48349 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:14:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48349#p48349
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48350#p48350
TimTaylor wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.

This is clearly a right-wing political opinion. You are free to express it and I am free to respond.



You are free to enjoy left wing paranoia, seeing a vast right wing conspiracy behind every post, just as I am free to ignore you.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48350#p48350 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:44:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48350#p48350
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48351#p48351 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48351#p48351 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:45:52 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48351#p48351 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48352#p48352
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.


Tim or what ever your name is. I am free to comment just like you. I am just calling it like I see it. You have gone off on countless people for making what you think are political statements. As for following you around, I have been a active member here and on ctflier using the same username trying to offer positive comentary since before you joined the first time, second time, third time, and so on and so on. I don't know what other forums you are on or have been kicked off of, but I certainly am not following you around.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48352#p48352 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:04:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48352#p48352
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48353#p48353
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.


Why do I chime in with my opinion? Well because I think of this forum as a home. I know it is not just my home, but a home none the less. Unlike my home where I would show you the door for your actions, I feel making a coment is the only recourse I have. If you don't like my "self richeous shit" as you call it, stop turning everything into a right wing conspiracy.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48353#p48353 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:21:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48353#p48353
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48354#p48354 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48354#p48354 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:31:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48354#p48354 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48355#p48355
TimTaylor wrote:Donald Trump is an idiot.

He is also the President of the United States of America. Get used to it.
You are acting like a left-wing whacko.
Grow up.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48355#p48355 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:54:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48355#p48355
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48356#p48356 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48356#p48356 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:16:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48356#p48356 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48357#p48357
TimTaylor wrote:Donald Trump is an idiot. This is not a left-wing political statement, so please don't take it that way. And just to keep this on the topic of aviation, privatization of ATC is a bad idea.


OK what ever. I can't say I am in complete disagreement. You saying something like that is not what I have an issue with, but I'm certain that if someone had said that with the previous administration you would have blown a gasket. What I take issue with is when you jump on someone for making a simple statement and trying to turn it into some big political BS. I remember you having a major meltdown over someone saying "the past 7 years". IIRC they were talking about something completely non political, but you tried to twist it into an attack on Obama.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48357#p48357 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:05:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48357#p48357
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48358#p48358 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48358#p48358 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:22:04 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48358#p48358 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48359#p48359
TimTaylor wrote:It is clear that the majority of posters on these sport pilot web sites are Republicans.
Where is your proof of that?
TimTaylor wrote:They are the ones that can afford to purchase a new LSA.
That is a baseless accusation.
TimTaylor wrote:So, every so often, someone makes a snarky comment that is derogatory toward Democrats or the values of Democrats. I, being one of the few Democrats here, choose to call them out.
On the contrary, many times I have read some questionable posts with tongue in cheek. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe sometimes they are just humoring us?
TimTaylor wrote:Tearing down the federal government and it's agencies is right out of the Republican game plan. "We're going to shrink the federal government until we can drown it in the bathtub." I never introduce political rhetoric, I just react to it.
I have to disagree with you there. There are times when we have seen you interject a definite political angle when there was no call for it, other than to startle the gallery.
Stop taking yourself so seriously. Lighten up a little. You seem to carry a very large chip on your shoulder. Isn't it time to brush it off a little?

Oh, and by the way . . . I am not a Republican.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48359#p48359 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:02:15 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48359#p48359
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48360#p48360 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48360#p48360 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:13:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48360#p48360 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48361#p48361
TimTaylor wrote:I take politics very seriously. It's not a game, it's our future and the future of our kids and grandchildren. There is no chip on my shoulder. I don't like watching our country be destroyed by Trump and the Republicans. Maybe you should pay attention and get your head out of your ass.

You are a very angry person. May God help you.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48361#p48361 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:25:29 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48361#p48361
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48362#p48362 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48362#p48362 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:17:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48362#p48362 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48363#p48363
TimTaylor wrote:God has blessed me, no thanks to you. And I resent you using God in a personal attack. Typical. What a hypocrit you are.

Ah . . yes . . resentments!
That's like drinking the poisen and expecting the other person to die.
Good luck with that.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48363#p48363 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:31:40 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48363#p48363
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48365#p48365 ~ they should have those on the ramp as well.

But I have self grounded recently while I undergo another round of therapy until my reactions can be identified. Agent Orange is the gift that keeps on giving...]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48365#p48365 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:22:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48365#p48365
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48367#p48367 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48367#p48367 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:15:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48367#p48367 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by pjdavis]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48368#p48368
Leave these arguments on FB...]]>
no_email@example.com (pjdavis) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48368#p48368 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:56:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48368#p48368
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48369#p48369
TimTaylor wrote:It is clear that the majority of posters on these sport pilot web sites are Republicans. They are the ones that can afford to purchase a new LSA. That is even more evident on CTFliers than here. So, every so often, someone makes a snarky comment that is derogatory toward Democrats or the values of Democrats. I, being one of the few Democrats here, choose to call them out. That's all. Tearing down the federal government and it's agencies is right out of the Republican game plan. "We're going to shrink the federal government until we can drown it in the bathtub." I never introduce political rhetoric, I just react to it.


I wouldn't say that I am a Democrat or Republican, though my personal views lean more to the conservative side. I don't make directly political comments, but I may state my opinion regardless of which side it favors. After all pilots are often opinionated.

That being said this is a aviation forum that deals with light sport aircraft and sport pilots. The reason I am here is because I own, fly, instruct in, and perform maintenance on light sport aircraft. I look at the other members here in the same light. I certainly don't think of other forum members as Democrat or Republican. Most who post here don't even make me think about them in a political point of view. They are here for the same reason I am, aviation, and specifically light sport aviation.

I think you are wrong on your assessment that most of the forum members are republicans. Most don't make their political affiliation known. They are here because of aviation, not political affiliation.

Personally I don't care that you are a democrat, as long as you keep your post civil and for the most part aviation related. I was OK with you talking about your car. The issue I have is that your hatred of people who you assume are republicans has made you so bigoted that you see attacks where there are none. This thread is a good example. Someone made a simple comment based on personal observation. Without knowing their political affiliation, because of your political bias and bigotry you attacked them, calling it a political assault. I certainly didn't see it as an attack, and I doubt most other forum members did either.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48369#p48369 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:03:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48369#p48369
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48370#p48370 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48370#p48370 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:30:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48370#p48370 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48371#p48371
I'm a relative newbie, but isn't this the website where they talk about airplane stuff?]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48371#p48371 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:55:04 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48371#p48371
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48372#p48372
chicagorandy wrote:And I used think decades ago that my children got into some silly arguments back and forth.

I'm a relative newbie, but isn't this the website where they talk about airplane stuff?



I suggest you put TimTaylor on your ignore list, as I have. If enough of us ignore him, it will be as if he isn't here and we can get back to discussing shiny flying objects and those who pilot them.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48372#p48372 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:17:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48372#p48372
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48373#p48373 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48373#p48373 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:42:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48373#p48373 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48374#p48374
TimTaylor wrote:My best friend and flying buddy is a Republican. We just agree not to discuss politics and/or push each other's buttons on the issues.


Maybe you should treat this forum like you and your friends relationship. I don't think anyone here is trying to push your buttons, except for me on occasion. :wink: I don't think anyone here is making secret snarky attacks on the Democrats.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48374#p48374 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:45:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48374#p48374
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48375#p48375 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48375#p48375 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:47:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48375#p48375 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Only $389,000 for Icon A5 :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48182#p48182
In a flying career spanning over 4 decades, I think I can count on one hand the times I’ve succumbed to the temptation to fly along at 100’ or less...

Once or twice over the Everglades.

Once flying back from the Bahamas.

Once or twice in or around Monument Valley, similar to Andy’s video above.

Those are the marked exceptions; my rule is to not yield to the temptation, knowing just how risky such flights can become.

Anyway, I will not cast aspersions on those who choose risky behavior, in any field of endeavor, so long as it does not endanger others.

But in cases like this, I wonder if the risks were fully understood. I doubt that they were.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48182#p48182 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 07:33:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48182#p48182
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Only $389,000 for Icon A5 :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48183#p48183
FastEddieB wrote:There’s an expression: “The exception proves the rule”.

In a flying career spanning over 4 decades, I think I can count on one hand the times I’ve succumbed to the temptation to fly along at 100’ or less...

Once or twice over the Everglades.

Once flying back from the Bahamas.

Once or twice in or around Monument Valley, similar to Andy’s video above.

Those are the marked exceptions; my rule is to not yield to the temptation, knowing just how risky such flights can become.

Anyway, I will not cast aspersions on those who choose risky behavior, in any field of endeavor, so long as it does not endanger others.

But in cases like this, I wonder if the risks were fully understood. I doubt that they were.



I was just thinking if there was simply a margin of error, meaning a higher minimum altitude the only difference is there would be no crash. The impressions and sensations would be virtually the same.

I agree the risks were likely discounted and other flying water toys come to mind where contact with the surface is not a risk. This plane fits a toy mentality for various reasons.]]>
no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48183#p48183 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 07:41:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48183#p48183
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Only $389,000 for Icon A5 :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48184#p48184
I am still pretty sensitive about low level horseplay. Such horseplay destroyed a Citabria I rented out and took two lives:

Image

NTSB report here: https://www.ntsb.gov/about/employment/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001208X07205&ntsbno=MIA97FA047&akey=1]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48184#p48184 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 08:19:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4922&p=48184#p48184
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Deland 2017 :: Author c162pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48240#p48240 no_email@example.com (c162pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48240#p48240 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:25:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48240#p48240 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Deland 2017 :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48241#p48241
c162pilot wrote:Still not sure why we need to have two shows within a couple of months of each other in South Florida.


Simple. The Sebring employee who used to head up Sport Aviation Expo got a new job in Deland, where she was tasked with duplicating her previous success. I'm not sure if the industry is large enough to benefit from competition; time will tell.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48241#p48241 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:49:37 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48241#p48241
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Deland 2017 :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48244#p48244
Sebring is a larger and better show, but Deland probably has a better location, being close to Orlando and Daytona and not too far from Jacksonville.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48244#p48244 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 21:09:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48244#p48244
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Author FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48247#p48247
My Operating Limitations placard was faded almost to the point of illegibility. I emailed Roberto Merico at Magnaghi about a replacement. He responded:

"Ciao Ed,

In few days we're releasing new Flight Manual with some new limitations (together with a SB).

The placard must be anyway re-done, we can supply you with the new one as soon as approved officially.

Thank you,

Best regards,

Roberto


I asked if it was OK to put that online, and he responded:

"Yes,

You'll find everything online @ tech page on our website
"


Anyway, first I had heard of an upcoming revision to the POH and limitations or an SB.

Just a head's up.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48247#p48247 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:05:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48247#p48247
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48248#p48248 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48248#p48248 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:12:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48248#p48248 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48250#p48250
dstclair wrote:So what are the new operating limitations?


Won’t know until they are released. Fingers crossed!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48250#p48250 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:26:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48250#p48250
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48252#p48252
Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48252#p48252 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:37:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48252#p48252
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48253#p48253
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48253#p48253 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:58:29 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48253#p48253
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48256#p48256
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.



I was actually pondering this a few hours ago.

This is a photo of a screenshot from the POH I printed out of the placard in question:

Image

I suppose, as an Experimental, I am free to determine my own Vne, for instance, or any other limitation other than those which would take the plane out of the Light Sport Limitations. And worth mentioning that Vne is not mentioned in my Experimental Operating Limitations, nor are most or all of the Limitations on the placard.

But in any case I certainly would want to know what Limitation(s) the manufacturer may have deemed to change. For what I think are obvious reasons.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48256#p48256 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:59:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48256#p48256
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48257#p48257
TimTaylor wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?


'be able to ignore' dumb to do but even the SLSA owners could ignore. the converted plane is subject only to its limitations.

such a change would be public knowledge and the experimental owners can still use the info and act accordingly]]>
no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48257#p48257 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:03:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48257#p48257
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48258#p48258 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48258#p48258 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:12:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48258#p48258 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48286#p48286
TimTaylor wrote:What are you saying? An ELSA owner can legally ignore new limitations or not?


An E-LSA, whether originally manufactured that way or converted from an S-LSA, is only bound by LSA definitions and its operating limitations. New operating limitations are issued at the time of a conversion, and the manufacturer’s limitations are no longer in effect. The manufacturer no longer has any authority to mandate any maintenance, procedure, or limitations on the airframe. I’m pretty sure the FAA can still issue ADs on E-LSA, as they did for the Zodiac 601XL on an emergency basis a few years ago.

I am not suggesting that an E-LSA owner ignore SBs or other guidance from the manufacturer; I’m just pointing out such guidance is not binding on an E-LSA and there could be a situation where an owner felt the need to go against such recommendations.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48286#p48286 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:08:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48286#p48286
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48287#p48287
CharlieTango wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?


'be able to ignore' dumb to do but even the SLSA owners could ignore. the converted plane is subject only to its limitations.

such a change would be public knowledge and the experimental owners can still use the info and act accordingly


A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48287#p48287 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:10:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48287#p48287
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48289#p48289
MrMorden wrote:
A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.


The term used in the applicable FAR is Safety Directive. That has the same force of law as an AD would for certified aircraft.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48289#p48289 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:38:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48289#p48289
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48293#p48293
drseti wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.


The term used in the applicable FAR is Safety Directive. That has the same force of law as an AD would for certified aircraft.


Thanks for the terminology correction.]]>
no_email@example.com (MrMorden) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48293#p48293 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 19:47:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48293#p48293
<![CDATA[Training :: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Author HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48274#p48274 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48274#p48274 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 12:00:56 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48274#p48274 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48275#p48275 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48275#p48275 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:12:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48275#p48275 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48276#p48276
TimTaylor wrote: seaplane flight test is pretty much comprehensive.


One can do a Seaplane add-on under Sport Pilot rules, even if he or she holds higher ratings, with no flight test required. Instead, you merely need to fly a proficiency check with a CFI. That's what I had to do at Jack Brown's two years ago - since I had no current medical at that time, I couldn't fly a checkride with a DPE. (Now, with Basic Med, I could - but it's moot, because the only seaplanes I fly are LSAs).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48276#p48276 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:00:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48276#p48276
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48279#p48279
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: seaplane flight test is pretty much comprehensive.


One can do a Seaplane add-on under Sport Pilot rules, even if he or she holds higher ratings, with no flight test required. Instead, you merely need to fly a proficiency check with a CFI. That's what I had to do at Jack Brown's two years ago - since I had no current medical at that time, I couldn't fly a checkride with a DPE. (Now, with Basic Med, I could - but it's moot, because the only seaplanes I fly are LSAs).
I did the same thing. Have you found a place that will actually rent you a seaplane to fly solo?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48279#p48279 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 16:29:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48279#p48279
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48280#p48280
TimTaylor wrote: Have you found a place that will actually rent you a seaplane to fly solo?


To quote Hamlet:

Aye, there's the rub.


That problem notwithstanding, the Sport Pilot rules for adding category and class are a real game-changer. For details, see my EAA Webinar at:

http://www.eaavideo.org/detail/video/3830218310001]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48280#p48280 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 16:45:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48280#p48280
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48290#p48290
Having done Flight Reviews with pilots holding all certificates, I find the ones with less than Commercial tend to have a knowledge level that scares me a bit.

So my vote for anyone upgrading to a higher certificate, I vote full testing.

BTW, my understanding of flight exams is that you can take one without a medical provided the examiner agrees to fly the test with you while acting as PIC during the test. Now it is obvious that any solo requirements for that particular test must have been accomplished while you fully met the requirements for solo.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48290#p48290 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:45:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48290#p48290
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48291#p48291 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48291#p48291 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:51:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48291#p48291 <![CDATA[Training :: ... :: Author bornstephen]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48251#p48251 no_email@example.com (bornstephen) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48251#p48251 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:34:31 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48251#p48251 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48254#p48254 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48254#p48254 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:03:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48254#p48254 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48255#p48255 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48255#p48255 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:13:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48255#p48255 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48259#p48259 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48259#p48259 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:38:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48259#p48259 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48260#p48260 ]]> no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48260#p48260 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:05:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48260#p48260 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48261#p48261 Postings on public forums are just that , very much public and akin to public speaking and thus should stay on the record.]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48261#p48261 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:12:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48261#p48261 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48262#p48262
I think one day gives plenty of time for editing and corrections.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48262#p48262 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:28:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48262#p48262
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48263#p48263 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48263#p48263 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:39:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48263#p48263 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48264#p48264 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48264#p48264 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:49:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48264#p48264 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48265#p48265
TimTaylor wrote:I guess he didn't like my advice. I didn't mean to piss him off, but to say he missed 52 questions, am I ready, didn't make much sense.

There was nothing offensive in your response to him .... I presume , from the context, that he went for the test and failed it utterly , right ?]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48265#p48265 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:48:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48265#p48265
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48266#p48266 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48266#p48266 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:00:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48266#p48266 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48267#p48267
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:There was another forum member who used to do the samething when they got mad. 8)

No, just tired of your stupid bullshit. Ignorant ass. :!:


Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48267#p48267 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:47:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48267#p48267
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48268#p48268
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

I see I have gotten the same response from you in the past over on the other board. I was right after all.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48268#p48268 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:16:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48268#p48268
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48269#p48269
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

If you weren't referring to me, then I apologize. As you know, I have done the same thing a few times (deleted posts).


No, I was referring to SportPilot. I think he was permanently banned from the site for bad behavior.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48269#p48269 Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48269#p48269
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48270#p48270 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48270#p48270 Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:01:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48270#p48270 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48271#p48271
TimTaylor wrote:And Cecil.


Yep, him too.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48271#p48271 Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:52:31 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48271#p48271
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48272#p48272
TimTaylor wrote:I guess he didn't like my advice. I didn't mean to piss him off, but to say he missed 52 questions, am I ready, didn't make much sense.

So if I remember right, there are 40 questions on the Sport Pilot test and 60 on the PPL. Right? Your response may have been appropriate. Last August I went for another Sport Pilot test, and the proctor had entered info for the drone (unmanned aircraft) test. I was not a happy camper, and I'm sure I would have failed that miserably, if I had not caught the error.]]>
no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48272#p48272 Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:34:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48272#p48272
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48273#p48273 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48273#p48273 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 11:30:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48273#p48273 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48277#p48277 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48277#p48277 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:03:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48277#p48277 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48278#p48278
TimTaylor wrote:I would not take the test until I knew the material and was confident I would make a good grade, not just barely passing.


I won't sign off a student for a knowledge test until we're both sure the student is going to ace it. My reason: any subject area in which the applicant has missed a question on the written is fair game for the DPE to hammer the student on during the oral.

BTW, by being selective with my knowledge test signoffs, I get to boast that, in my fifth decade of teaching, I've still never had a student fail a written. :)]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48278#p48278 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:09:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48278#p48278
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48281#p48281
drseti wrote:BTW, by being selective with my knowledge test signoffs, I get to boast that, in my fifth decade of teaching, I've still never had a student fail a written. :)



And to which home study course do you attribute that? :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48281#p48281 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:20:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48281#p48281
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48282#p48282
Half Fast wrote:And to which home study course do you attribute that? :mrgreen:


Actually, to a combination of the Gleim study materials (which are a bit dry, but very thorough) and the hour of one-on-one tutorial ground instruction which is integral to each of my flight lessons. Not everybody is able to schedule integrated curriculum, but it has the advantage of correlating the knowledge test subjects to actual in-flight scenarios, so the two aspects of pilot training actually complement each other.

(Note that when I started teaching, neither the Gleim, Sportys, or King home study courses existed.)]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48282#p48282 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:20:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48282#p48282
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48284#p48284 I know you run a thorough and somewhat formal curriculum.

I didn't use a formal home study program; just studied the PHAK and FAR/AIM, but used ASA's "Test Prep" question compilation and Sporty's practice tests to quiz myself.

There's so much stuff available for free these days, between FAA book downloads and YouTube videos, that it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48284#p48284 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:46:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48284#p48284
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48285#p48285
Half Fast wrote: it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.


I agree completely. But the crutch is a great confidence builder for students who aren't so sure of themselves.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48285#p48285 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:16:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48285#p48285
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48288#p48288
drseti wrote:
Half Fast wrote: it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.


I agree completely. But the crutch is a great confidence builder for students who aren't so sure of themselves.



I'm sure that's true, but you require ALL your students to use the crutch, right? Were I one of your students, I'd be unhappy having to spend money for the Gleim materials and for an hour of ground school at each flight lesson.

But that's why there are different schools and different instructors. And your system seems to work well.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48288#p48288 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:25:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48288#p48288
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48292#p48292
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

I see I have gotten the same response from you in the past over on the other board. I was right after all.


I guess I was talking about you if you rejoined the forum using a different user name after being permanently banned.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48292#p48292 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:17:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48292#p48292
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48294#p48294
Half Fast wrote: Were I one of your students, I'd be unhappy having to spend money for the Gleim materials and for an hour of ground school at each flight lesson.


That would be a valid gripe if I actually charged extra for the books and the ground instruction. But that's not my business model. I charge flat-rate tuition for an academic quarter, and only enroll four students per term. That way, the student gets as much time and attention as he or she needs, with no extra charge for however much ground time may be required. Remember, I was a college professor for four decades, and never quite caught on to the idea of charging by the hour for my time. ;)]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48294#p48294 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 22:21:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48294#p48294
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48295#p48295
At what college did you profess?

Lockheed pays me a straight salary, yet bills out my time by the hour. Thus profits are made.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48295#p48295 Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:13:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48295#p48295
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48296#p48296
Half Fast wrote:At what college did you profess?


I started out at a couple of California colleges, spent the bulk of my career in the California and Pensylvania State systems, and then wrapped up at Lycoming College in Williamsport PA, from which I retired in 2007.

Lockheed pays me a straight salary, yet bills out my time by the hour. Thus profits are made.


I was briefly at Lockheed after I got out of the Air Force in 1969, and was also salaried. I never begrudged them their profits. Actually, that's where I really started my teaching career. They made me an engineering instructor, and turnover in aerospace being what it is, within two years I was their senior enginering Instructor (whereupon I left).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48296#p48296 Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:10:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48296#p48296
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48297#p48297
drseti wrote:I was briefly at Lockheed after I got out of the Air Force in 1969, and was also salaried. I never begrudged them their profits. Actually, that's where I really started my teaching career. They made me an engineering instructor, and turnover in aerospace being what it is, within two years I was their senior enginering Instructor (whereupon I left).


Oh, I don't begrudge profits at all! My 401k has been going like gangbusters all year, riding LockMart stock.

I do a fair amount of instructing at LM, along with other duties. I plan and develop training in analog circuit design, recruit instructors, and teach some personally. That's all just a hobby, though, on top of my regular jobs.

I have to run quite a bit of training for our new-hires because they seem to to come out of college without learning some critical things. Today's EE curricula leave out too much, IMHO, and our new EEs usually don't know how an electric motor works, what power factor is, can't design a simple 2-pole LPF, etc. Most of the undergrad emphasis is on microprocessors, FPGAs, and firmware.

Engineering really needs to go to a 5 or 6 year curriculum for the first professional degree. There's just too much information these days to try to cram it all into 4, as we've traditionally done.]]>
no_email@example.com (Half Fast) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48297#p48297 Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:06:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48297#p48297
<![CDATA[Aviation Humor & Mayhem :: Re: Elk Hunting with an RV8? :: Reply by 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48246#p48246

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no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48246#p48246 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:57:15 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48246#p48246
<![CDATA[Aviation Humor & Mayhem :: Re: Elk Hunting with an RV8? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48249#p48249
Given the amount of damage, I am surprised the Cessna is still so well aligned with the runway.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48249#p48249 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:21:15 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48249#p48249
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by Helen]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48298#p48298
http://www.nafinet.org/forms/cfi%27s%20 ... rcraft.pdf

This document was written by myself and other on this list working with the FAA, NAFI, and ASA. It was proofread by the FAA and tries to explain many of these areas of confusion.

Helen]]>
no_email@example.com (Helen) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48298#p48298 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 05:58:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48298#p48298
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by smutny]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48299#p48299 no_email@example.com (smutny) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48299#p48299 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:03:14 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48299#p48299 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by restlinbaum]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48300#p48300 no_email@example.com (restlinbaum) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48300#p48300 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:08:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48300#p48300 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48301#p48301
restlinbaum wrote:A CFI-S can NOT give a BFR to a PPL, only a PPL who is exercising as a sport pilot only. This is directly from the FAA and the FAR's.
Which FAR says this? Unless you can point out an FAR that actually says that, I'm going to trust Helen on this.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48301#p48301 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:06:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48301#p48301
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48302#p48302
A private pilot who is flying a light sport aircraft during the day in VFR conditions, is exercising sport pilot privileges. If ramp checked by the FAA all he would need to show is his pilot certificate and drivers license, even if he holds a valid medical. It does not matter if a few hours later on a different flight he can exercise private pilot privileges. I am basing this on the new Basic Med requirements that allow a pilot to hold both Basic Med and a FAA medical certificate. The FAA says you must determine before the flight which you are operating under.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48302#p48302 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:51:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48302#p48302
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48303#p48303

§ 61.413 What are the privileges of my flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating?
(a) If you hold a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are authorized, within the limits of your certificate and rating, to provide training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to -


(1) A student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate;

(2) A sport pilot certificate;

(3) A flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;

(4) A powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating;

(5) Sport pilot privileges;

(6) A flight review or operating privilege for a sport pilot;

(7) A practical test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;

(8) A knowledge test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating; and

(9) A proficiency check for an additional category or class privilege for a sport pilot certificate or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating.

(b) A person who holds a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating is authorized, in a form and manner acceptable to the Administrator, to:

(1) Accept an application for a student pilot certificate or, for an applicant who holds a pilot certificate (other than a student pilot certificate) issued under part 61 of this chapter and meets the flight review requirements specified in § 61.56, a remote pilot certificate with a small UAS rating;

(2) Verify the identity of the applicant; and

(3) Verify that an applicant for a student pilot certificate meets the eligibility requirements in § 61.83.

[Docket FAA-2010-1127, Amdt. 61-135, 81 FR 1307, Jan. 12, 2016, as amended by Docket FAA-2015-0150, Amdt. 61-137, 81 FR 42208, June 28, 2016]]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48303#p48303 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:01:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48303#p48303
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48304#p48304 https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... tation.pdf]]> no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48304#p48304 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:32:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48304#p48304 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48306#p48306
3Dreaming wrote:I said I was basing what I said based on the Basic Med requirements. The relevant information for my opinion is on page 12 of this FAA document.
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... tation.pdf
Yes, based on that and the FAR you referenced, a pilot who had a current medical and also had accomplished the requirements of Basic Med could get a Flight Review from a Sport CFI while acting as a Sport Pilot. That still leaves open the question, could that same CFI give a Flight Review to a Private in an LSA who had a medical but had not accomplished the requirements of Basic Med. He would simply be a Private taking a Flight Review in an LSA from a Sport CFI. IDK.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48306#p48306 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:08:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48306#p48306
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48307#p48307
It has always been my opinion that what you are doing in a airplane determines the level of medical certificate needed, and what privileges you are exercising. For example all in the same day with the same airplane you cancan exercise commercial, private, and sport pilot privileges. All while flying the same airplane.

Here is how it can be done. You get up in the morning and pull your J3 out of the hangar. You have a little ground fog. You take off when the visibility improves to 2 miles, and fly over to a neighboring airport. While at this airport you sell and give rides in the Cub. When you are finished you fly home. That evening you take your son for a relaxing flight. To and from would be private pilot privileges, especially with the 2 miles visibility. The rides would be commercial privileges. The relaxing evening flight would be sport privileges.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48307#p48307 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 23:51:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48307#p48307
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48308#p48308 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48308#p48308 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 23:58:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48308#p48308 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Fatal Plane Crash @ 2L0 :: Reply by akroguy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48198#p48198
Cut the damn engine and land it already. Soooo many pilots are just terrified of slowing down to proper approach speed and go screaming down the runway with no landing spot even remotely considered. :roll:

Pitch, power and trim. Fly the wing. Be ahead of the machine. Never arrive somewhere your brain hasn't arrived several minutes prior.

We have two, wrecked airplanes sitting near my house at my home airpark. One is/was a Globe swift...owner pranged the gear on a landing, "fixed" it, tried to take off again, lost directional control and ended up upside down in a ditch with a broken neck. Died a week or so later in the hospital.

A few nights ago, a night arrival of a Mooney went wrong...failed to arrest sink rate on final, splatted down a hundred yards short of the threshold, snapped the prop off, rammed the right gear into the fuel tank, plane slid to a stop abeam the numbers. Both occupants, thankfully, walked away.

Too many bents airplanes in my 'hood. Keeps me mindful of keeping my head in the game or just stay on the ground.

Brian
E98]]>
no_email@example.com (akroguy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48198#p48198 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:31:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48198#p48198
<![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Fatal Plane Crash @ 2L0 :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48201#p48201 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48201#p48201 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 00:31:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48201#p48201 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Fatal Plane Crash @ 2L0 :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48203#p48203
I recently mentioned that in 1996 a Citabria I owned and rented out was involved in an accident with two fatalities. Though I did not witness it, I got to see the aftermath. It affected me deeply enough that it led to a two year hiatus from flying, during which I let both my medical and CFI expire. This in spite of the fact I owned another plane, which for the most part sat for two years. It was never fear of flying, but for a time the joy had been sucked out of the endeavor. I think I always knew I’d return to flying eventually, which I obviously did.

A few years ago I witnessed a fatal stall/spin accident at the Light Sport Expo in Sebring. It was a shock, but for whatever reason left me strangely unaffected.

Just an observation. Maybe one gets jaded or numb after enough exposure to tragedy. Not really sure.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48203#p48203 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 08:42:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4930&p=48203#p48203
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Fuel pressure :: Reply by bstrachan]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4276&p=48214#p48214
1. As mentioned in my previous post, I fixed the vapor return line that comes out of the "spider" on top of the engine back to the main tank. No idea how mine got plugged up, but having this return working properly is MANDATORY.

2. I had occasionally noticed a big WHOOSH when I opened the main tank to refuel after flying. My buddy, the previous owner of the airplane, had observed the same thing. I checked the main tank vent several times, it was always open, but somehow the convoluted plumbing of that vent tube wasn't allowing air into the tank to replace fuel consumed and the fuel pump was sucking a vacuum on the tank. So I drilled a tiny hole (#55 drill) in the non-vented fuel cap. No more WHOOSH. And yes, I know the fuel cap is located in a low pressure area on top of the wing. Most - not all - fuel caps, vented or no, are on top of the wing. All I can tell you is that tiny hole breaks the vacuum in the tank, and no fuel syphons out.

Since making these two adjustments (it's been over a year) I have had ZERO low fuel pressure indications. It runs a pretty steady 3 PSI which I believe is what those Bing carbs want to see. I burn Shell 91 octane (highest octane they sell here at 5700 feet), I check every batch, and I have never found any water or ethanol in this fuel.

Just for what it's worth.

Barrie]]>
no_email@example.com (bstrachan) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4276&p=48214#p48214 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:12:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4276&p=48214#p48214
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: High CHT indication :: Author Ed Rawlings]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48202#p48202 no_email@example.com (Ed Rawlings) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48202#p48202 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:40:56 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48202#p48202 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: High CHT indication :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48208#p48208
A lot of times a problem like this is electrical and not an actual temp issue. I would check to see if there is a poor or broken ground connection.
Another thing you can do is make some jumper wires and switch the leads to the probes and see if the problem switches sides. Also take a look to see if the EGT temps changed during the same time period.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48208#p48208 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:57:07 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48208#p48208
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: High CHT indication :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48213#p48213 no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48213#p48213 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:29:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48213#p48213 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: High CHT indication :: Reply by Ed Rawlings]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48223#p48223 no_email@example.com (Ed Rawlings) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48223#p48223 Tue, 14 Nov 2017 05:40:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48223#p48223 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Rotax Repairman Inspection Airplane :: Author TN8S]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48305#p48305
Tim
Hollywood, SC]]>
no_email@example.com (TN8S) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48305#p48305 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:41:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48305#p48305
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Rotax Repairman Inspection Airplane :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48310#p48310
Brian and Carol are very knowledgeable and do a great job presenting the material. The 16 hour LSRI course had some Rotax 912 hands-on, but it wasn't exclusively about Rotax engines as I would expect a course conducted by Rotax to be.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48310#p48310 Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:54:15 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48310#p48310
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Failed Aux Fuel Pump (Facet)? :: Reply by drdehave]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48187#p48187 no_email@example.com (drdehave) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48187#p48187 Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:17:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48187#p48187 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Failed Aux Fuel Pump (Facet)? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48314#p48314

Aux Pump worked fine for a couple flights but yesterday spun up as usual and abruptly went silent. Flipped the switch off then on -- and nothing. Fuel pressure was reading zero. Decided to start up the engine anyway and the mechanical pump worked fine. Did a run up for no particular reason then powered off. Checked the aux pump -- and lo and behold it works.

I should've listened to Rich and replaced the pump a few weeks ago.
The first indications were intermittent "going quiet," followed sometimes by many hours of working just fine.

Now my mechanic is busy for two weeks so I'm grounded for a while. :cry:]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48314#p48314 Fri, 01 Dec 2017 17:25:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48314#p48314
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Author dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48318#p48318 http://www.shop.perma-cool.com/media/300013%20rev6.pdf) that appears to be seeping a tiny bit of oil. The oil accumulates on the 'end cap'. My mechanic and I suspect that there is an o-ring behind the end cap that needs to be replaced. Before making a big mess and removing the end cap, does anyone know if there is indeed a field replaceable o-ring?

I have dropped a note to Perma-Cool as well.

It would be a bit of a PITA to replace the oil thermostat, although the part is only $80.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48318#p48318 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:33:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48318#p48318
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48319#p48319 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48319#p48319 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 20:57:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48319#p48319 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48320#p48320
3Dreaming wrote:I don't know the answer, but I have aused one on the shelf. If I remember I'll check tomorrow.

Why don't you write yourself a note so you WILL remember? Simple enough.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48320#p48320 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 21:54:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48320#p48320
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48321#p48321
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I don't know the answer, but I have aused one on the shelf. If I remember I'll check tomorrow.

Why don't you write yourself a note so you WILL remember? Simple enough.


Because I would likely forget to bring it to work with me. :oops:]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48321#p48321 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:48:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48321#p48321
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48322#p48322 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48322#p48322 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:55:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48322#p48322 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48323#p48323 There are 2 o rings. Laying on a ruler the OD is 34mm, and the ID is 30mm. I recently completed a hose change on a 912 and had the spare parts still here to show the customer. The intake to cylinder o ring for the 912 is 34x2. The thermostat o ring just fits inside of the intake o ring. The intake o ring fits the groove in the thermostat cap just fine. Based on that I would say that it is a 30x2 metric o ring.]]> no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48323#p48323 Tue, 05 Dec 2017 11:34:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48323#p48323 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48324#p48324 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48324#p48324 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 10:47:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48324#p48324 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48330#p48330
There are two. Though they can be replaced, those t-stats are pressure tested here after assembly to insure that they do not leak. The O-rings are a little tricky when replacing the caps also as they are a tight fit and can get damaged during the assembly process (or in your case, attempting to re-assemble.) We can only tell this ourselves after the pressure test.

You might be better off ordering a new one in terms of time saved and avoiding frustration if it leaks after you have gone to the trouble of trying to repair.

Do you believe the O-rings can be replaced easily based on your disassembly?]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48330#p48330 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 21:24:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48330#p48330
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48331#p48331
dstclair wrote:I received the below from Perma-Cool:
There are two. Though they can be replaced, those t-stats are pressure tested here after assembly to insure that they do not leak. The O-rings are a little tricky when replacing the caps also as they are a tight fit and can get damaged during the assembly process (or in your case, attempting to re-assemble.) We can only tell this ourselves after the pressure test.

You might be better off ordering a new one in terms of time saved and avoiding frustration if it leaks after you have gone to the trouble of trying to repair.

Do you believe the O-rings can be replaced easily based on your disassembly?


I put the one I disassembled back together with the old o-rings, and it went together easy. Even with new o-rings I don't think it will be a problem, just lube the o-rings before putting it back together.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48331#p48331 Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:16:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48331#p48331
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Time to paint. :: Author 914Driver]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48376#p48376 PC is tougher, lasts longer etc., legal?

Thanks, Dan]]>
no_email@example.com (914Driver) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48376#p48376 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:44:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48376#p48376
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Time to paint. :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48377#p48377
914Driver wrote:Certificated aircraft needs the landing gear repainted due to superficial rust, can they be powder coated?
PC is tougher, lasts longer etc., legal?

Thanks, Dan


First it will depend on the structure of the gear. Tube structures that have had the interior of the tubing treated can be a problem during the coating process. You will find there are many different opinions on powder coating. The biggest concern is corrosion or crack that can develop that remain hidden by the coating. Prep is also very important. I recently have done some research on the subject for a project my son is doing. If it is a steel part you will want to have it blasted, coated with a zinc rich base, followed by your top coat color choice. This means 2 coats of material. Make sure that if there are any saddles that the gear sit in that the added material thickness will not cause any problem.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48377#p48377 Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:01:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48377#p48377
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Just Karen having fun with iMovie :: Reply by ShayneB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48237#p48237 no_email@example.com (ShayneB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48237#p48237 Sun, 19 Nov 2017 05:24:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48237#p48237 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Just Karen having fun with iMovie :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48245#p48245
Rewatching that always brings a smile to my face! I’m so proud of her creative talents.

I’ll keeo everyone informed of the release date!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48245#p48245 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 06:55:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48245#p48245
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Just Karen having fun with iMovie :: Reply by David]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48283#p48283 no_email@example.com (David) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48283#p48283 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:31:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48283#p48283 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by zodiac flyer]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48238#p48238 I bought a flying 2006 AMD factory built aircraft, with a glass panel, Garmin avionics, for 35K, thats with 400 hours and a Continental 0-200.
There is a very nice flying 601 for sale right now with a Jabiru 6 cylinder engine, 70 hours for 20K
If you really want to sell it, get realistic about what it's market value really is, put an ad on Barnstormers with a price listed.
I see you have a lot of lookers, if you really want to sell it, there is a buyer for the right price.
Dave]]>
no_email@example.com (zodiac flyer) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48238#p48238 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:44:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48238#p48238
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48239#p48239 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48239#p48239 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:12:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48239#p48239 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48242#p48242
TimTaylor wrote: He's asking for offers.


No, he's asking for reasonable offers. If I offered him $10 right now, I doubt he'd find that reasonable.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48242#p48242 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:54:29 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48242#p48242
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48243#p48243 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48243#p48243 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:58:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48243#p48243 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by zodiac flyer]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48309#p48309 I was just trying to advise him of the current value of his unfinished aircraft. I know that for me if no price is listed, I'm not usually interested
Everything will sell for the right price.
Dave]]>
no_email@example.com (zodiac flyer) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48309#p48309 Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:38:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48309#p48309
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48311#p48311
Sorry if some of you have taken my post the wrong way. I was just trying to help the OP out, he did not seem to get any response to his ad, and usually when no price is listed, it denotes either a person who is not aware of the value, or he wants a high price which if listed would chase away serious buyers.

Dave, I think you offered good advice. Unfinished 601XL kits are very difficult to value unless they're complete quick-build kits with the B mod kit, so a more complete description with some photos of what he's selling would probably have attracted more attention.

Looking at Barnstormers, a complete flying 601XL-B tail dragger nicely equipped with 208 TT and Lycoming O-235 L2C just sold for $27,500.

I'm keeping my AMD 601XL-B 'til I croak; it's a great little airplane.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48311#p48311 Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:44:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48311#p48311
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Aircraft for sale :: Author FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48312#p48312
Image

Know nothing about them - just passing it on.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48312#p48312 Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:26:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48312#p48312
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: Aircraft for sale :: Reply by Merlinspop]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48313#p48313 no_email@example.com (Merlinspop) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48313#p48313 Fri, 01 Dec 2017 11:18:02 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48313#p48313