<![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:51:47 -0500 Smartfeed Extension for phpBB 3.1 http://sportpilottalk.com/styles/prosilver/theme/images/site_logo.gif <![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com en-GB Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:51:47 -0500 60 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Class B, C, and D endorsement :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5190&p=53377#p53377 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5190&p=53377#p53377 Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:33:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5190&p=53377#p53377 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Class B, C, and D endorsement :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5190&p=53378#p53378 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5190&p=53378#p53378 Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:55:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5190&p=53378#p53378 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: New FAA rules make flying more affordable! :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53760#p53760
My two seat Vag has AutoGas STC, so I mix 100LL with non ethanol auto gas, the C85 runs great on the mix at lower cost. First airplane owned without electrical system, so not required to meet ADS-B requirements. Plan to do annuals with the A&P/IA looking over my shoulder, another savings, used to do that with previous aircraft owned, too.

Here's a list of FAA certified aircraft that can be flown under Light Sport rules, posting this for folks learning to fly or already flying:

https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/lig ... Models.pdf]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53760#p53760 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:35:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53760#p53760
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: New FAA rules make flying more affordable! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53764#p53764 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53764#p53764 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:17:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53764#p53764 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: New FAA rules make flying more affordable! :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53767#p53767
TimTaylor wrote:Bill, do you land your airplane on any paved runways such as KIPJ? Does it handle OK on pavement?


Flew into IPJ with the Vag and it's OK on pavement. It has responsive rudder and elevator that need to be respected. I'm getting back to basics mostly on grass for now and enjoy it. Like I said, enjoy flying low & slow in the Vag.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53767#p53767 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:32:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53767#p53767
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: New FAA rules make flying more affordable! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53768#p53768
rideandfly wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Bill, do you land your airplane on any paved runways such as KIPJ? Does it handle OK on pavement?


Flew into IPJ with the Vag and it's OK on pavement. It has responsive rudder and elevator that need to be respected. I'm getting back to basics mostly on grass for now and enjoy it. Like I said, enjoy flying low & slow in the Vag.

I got 55 hours in J3 back in high school working on Commercial. Lots of fun. Recently got 5 more hours, but it was on floats. Even more fun.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53768#p53768 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:35:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53768#p53768
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: New FAA rules make flying more affordable! :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53772#p53772
TimTaylor wrote:
rideandfly wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Bill, do you land your airplane on any paved runways such as KIPJ? Does it handle OK on pavement?


Flew into IPJ with the Vag and it's OK on pavement. It has responsive rudder and elevator that need to be respected. I'm getting back to basics mostly on grass for now and enjoy it. Like I said, enjoy flying low & slow in the Vag.


I got 55 hours in J3 back in high school working on Commercial. Lots of fun. Recently got 5 more hours, but it was on floats. Even more fun.


I was Grandfathered in before the tailwheel endorsement requirement in a J3 Cub, too. Most of my time is in tri-geared airplanes. That's why I was happy to buy the Vag, to become more proficient flying tailwheel aircraft. Have many projects I want to do to the Vag. Probably will not teach again, but will keep my CFI certificate up to date.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53772#p53772 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:46:04 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=687&p=53772#p53772
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Author TDFlyer]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53629#p53629 no_email@example.com (TDFlyer) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53629#p53629 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 07:11:38 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53629#p53629 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53630#p53630 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53630#p53630 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 07:50:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53630#p53630 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53632#p53632
drseti wrote:There is no difference in student pilot certificates for sport vs. Pvt pilots. The only difference is the requirement that a current FAA medical is required to solo anything other than an LSA.


A private pilot student is required to have a medical or BasicMed for solo flight regardless of the aircraft they are flying. Of course gliders and balloons don't require a medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53632#p53632 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:04:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53632#p53632
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53634#p53634 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53634#p53634 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:23:46 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53634#p53634 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53639#p53639 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53639#p53639 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:16:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53639#p53639 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53640#p53640
TimTaylor wrote: It is quite possible that the student hasn't decided which certificate he is going for.


That is certainly the case for most of my students when they start out. After a few lessons in an LSA, if they don't hate it, most go on for the SP initially (especially after they see how my curriculum integrates, and realize it's actually cheaper to get their SP first, and then do the PP add-on in the same LSA they started in).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53640#p53640 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:33:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53640#p53640
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53641#p53641
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: It is quite possible that the student hasn't decided which certificate he is going for.


That is certainly the case for most of my students when they start out. After a few lessons in an LSA, if they don't hate it, most go on for the SP initially (especially after they see how my curriculum articulates, and realize it's actually cheaper to get their SP first, and then do the PP add-on in the same LSA they started in).

How can that be cheaper than going straight for Private?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53641#p53641 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:20:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53641#p53641
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53642#p53642 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53642#p53642 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:33:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53642#p53642 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53643#p53643
drseti wrote:I disagree, Tom. There is no such thing as a private pilot student, or a sport pilot student. A student pilot certificate doesn't specify (not does IACRA ask a student certificate applicant to declare) type of rating being sought. One can legally solo an LSA on a driver's license medical, if properly trained and endorsed, even if he or she is ultimately planning to get a PPL. Of course, nobody can solo a non-LSA airplane without holding a current FAA medical or Basic Med.


You are welcome to disagree, but the regulations are pretty clear. 61.23 requires a third class medical to exercise student pilot privileges.

(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate

(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, or student pilot certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

There are exceptions in the regulations, balloons and gliders don't require a medical certificate or drivers license.

Then there is this that applies to student pilots seeking sport pilot privileges in a light sport aircraft.

(c) Operations requiring either a medical certificate or U.S. driver's license. (1) A person must hold and possess either a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter or a U.S. driver's license when—(i)

Exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking sport pilot privileges in a light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon.

The determining factor on whether you need a medical certificate is what you are doing, not necessarily what aircraft you are flying.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53643#p53643 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:58:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53643#p53643
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53644#p53644
TimTaylor wrote:A Student Pilot is a student pilot. However, if he is taking lessons in a standard certificated aircraft, he/she needs an FAA medical or Basic Med before solo in a standard certificated aircraft. He could solo an LSA without a medical with proper training and endorsements. It is quite possible that the student hasn't decided which certificate he is going for.


Standard category has nothing to do with determining if you need a medical. That is determined by aircraft specifications and pilot operation.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53644#p53644 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 14:01:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53644#p53644
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53645#p53645
3Dreaming wrote:The determining factor on whether you need a medical certificate is what you are doing, not necessarily what aircraft you are flying.


Agreed. But if what you are doing is taking primary instruction in the daytime, that instruction is identical regardless of which certificate you eventually apply for. Nowhere are you required to state that you are seeking either an SP or a PP certificate, until such time as you fill out the IACRA form to apply for a checkride. It's kind of like being a college student with an undeclared major. So, who's to say what rating you are "seeking" when you're receiving primary instruction?

In short, 61.23 is a meaningless and unenforceable rule.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53645#p53645 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 14:16:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53645#p53645
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53647#p53647
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:A Student Pilot is a student pilot. However, if he is taking lessons in a standard certificated aircraft, he/she needs an FAA medical or Basic Med before solo in a standard certificated aircraft. He could solo an LSA without a medical with proper training and endorsements. It is quite possible that the student hasn't decided which certificate he is going for.


Standard category has nothing to do with determining if you need a medical. That is determined by aircraft specifications and pilot operation.

You need a medical or Basic Med to solo anything other than LSA (not talking about gliders or other things here). You can be working on Sport Pilot, Rec Pilot, or Private Pilot, doesn't matter. You can be someone who never intends to get a license. If you are flying an LSA, you don't need a medical to solo. Otherwise, you do need a medical to solo C150, Cherokee 140, etc.

Point being, you don't need to decide which way you are going (Sport, Rec, or Private) until time to solo in something other than LSA.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53647#p53647 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 14:43:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53647#p53647
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53648#p53648
drseti wrote:Simple. They get their SP pretty quickly and inexpensively, fly for fun as a SP, build up hours and experience, meet (for example) their long XC and required solo hours on their own, and then come back for the very few hours of additional dual training to meet the PP night hours, hood work, and checkride prep. About 25% of my graduates go this route, and end up spending less that those who go through the PP-only curriculum at other nearby flight schools. Plus, they get to take family members flying much sooner!

Repeat...how can that be cheaper than going straight for Private at your flight school?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53648#p53648 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 14:37:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53648#p53648
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53649#p53649
drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:The determining factor on whether you need a medical certificate is what you are doing, not necessarily what aircraft you are flying.


Agreed. But if what you are doing is taking primary instruction in the daytime, that instruction is identical regardless of which certificate you eventually apply for. Nowhere are you required to state that you are seeking either an SP or a PP certificate, until such time as you fill out the IACRA form to apply for a checkride. It's kind of like being a college student with an undeclared major. So, who's to say what rating you are "seeking" when you're receiving primary instruction?

In short, 61.23 is a meaningless and unenforceable rule.


Paul, it is not about what rating you are seeking when you are receiving primary instruction. Yes the training is the same. The regulations state that a third class medical is required to exercise student pilot privileges in an airplane. If you are undecided on which rating you are going for then you are required to have a medical. The only time a student pilot exercising their privileges in a airplane doesn't require a medical is if they can definitively say they are seeking sport pilot privileges and while flying a light sport aircraft. All other student pilots flying a airplane must have a medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53649#p53649 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:07:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53649#p53649
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53650#p53650
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:A Student Pilot is a student pilot. However, if he is taking lessons in a standard certificated aircraft, he/she needs an FAA medical or Basic Med before solo in a standard certificated aircraft. He could solo an LSA without a medical with proper training and endorsements. It is quite possible that the student hasn't decided which certificate he is going for.


Standard category has nothing to do with determining if you need a medical. That is determined by aircraft specifications and pilot operation.

You need a medical or Basic Med to solo anything other than LSA (not talking about gliders or other things here). You can be working on Sport Pilot, Rec Pilot, or Private Pilot, doesn't matter. You can be someone who never intends to get a license. If you are flying an LSA, you don't need a medical to solo. Otherwise, you do need a medical to solo C150, Cherokee 140, etc.

Point being, you don't need to decide which way you are going (Sport, Rec, or Private) until time to solo in something other than LSA.


You can say it all you want, but the regulations don't back up your opinion.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53650#p53650 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:16:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53650#p53650
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53651#p53651
TimTaylor wrote:Repeat...how can that be cheaper than going straight for Private at your flight school?


So, the operative word here is your. That's easy - at my flight school, straight to Private is not an option. All of my students use Sport as a portal of entry, because that's how the curriculum is designed. My stepping stone approach is not necessarily right for everybody. Those who don't want to go this route are certainly welcome to go elsewhere, but the past 9 years have shown me that the folks who enroll for PP at other flight schools end up paying more. Maybe it's because their curricula are less efficient. Or maybe it's because they train in aircraft with higher operating and maintenance costs. Or maybe (blush) I'm just a better instructor?]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53651#p53651 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:23:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53651#p53651
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53652#p53652 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53652#p53652 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 16:46:12 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53652#p53652 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53653#p53653
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Standard category has nothing to do with determining if you need a medical. That is determined by aircraft specifications and pilot operation.

You need a medical or Basic Med to solo anything other than LSA (not talking about gliders or other things here). You can be working on Sport Pilot, Rec Pilot, or Private Pilot, doesn't matter. You can be someone who never intends to get a license. If you are flying an LSA, you don't need a medical to solo. Otherwise, you do need a medical to solo C150, Cherokee 140, etc.

Point being, you don't need to decide which way you are going (Sport, Rec, or Private) until time to solo in something other than LSA.


You can say it all you want, but the regulations don't back up your opinion.

I think they do. Until you declare toward Rec or Private, you can point toward Sport. And if you make sure your "Sport Pilot" cross country complies with Private Pilot requirements, you still don't need a medical until you DECIDE to forgo the Sport Pilot certificate and do the added training required for Private (night flight, etc). At that point, you are definitely no longer going for Sport Pilot, but are now going for Private. I suspect this happens frequently. If I was still actively instructing, I would advise any student going for Sport Pilot to make sure his cross country training complied with Private requirments if there was any chance he might change his mind and decide to go for Private. For instance, he could be waiting to find out about a possible medical condition before taking the 3rd class physical. So, he does as much training as possible as a student working on Sport prior to switching to a student pilot working on Private (after obtaining his medical).]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53653#p53653 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:13:29 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53653#p53653
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53654#p53654
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:You need a medical or Basic Med to solo anything other than LSA (not talking about gliders or other things here). You can be working on Sport Pilot, Rec Pilot, or Private Pilot, doesn't matter. You can be someone who never intends to get a license. If you are flying an LSA, you don't need a medical to solo. Otherwise, you do need a medical to solo C150, Cherokee 140, etc.

Point being, you don't need to decide which way you are going (Sport, Rec, or Private) until time to solo in something other than LSA.


You can say it all you want, but the regulations don't back up your opinion.

I think they do. Until you declare toward Rec or Private, you can point toward Sport. And if you make sure your "Sport Pilot" cross country complies with Private Pilot requirements, you still don't need a medical until you DECIDE to forgo the Sport Pilot certificate and take the Private Pilot checkride.


I encourage you to provide the regulatory citation to back that up.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53654#p53654 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 16:56:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53654#p53654
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53655#p53655
What would you have him do? I guess he could go get a 3rd class medical, throw out his log book, then start over as a student going for a Private certificate. Sometimes you have to use a little logic and common sense.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53655#p53655 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:03:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53655#p53655
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53656#p53656
TimTaylor wrote:Getting a Sport Pilot first does not magically reduce the number of hours of dual or solo needed.


True, it doesn't reduce the requirements. But it can (under certain circumstances) reduce the actual hours flown. Start with the realization that very few (if any) PP candidates ever finish near the minimum 40 hour requirement. Last I heard, the national average was more like 75. But give the school and students the benefit if the doubt, and assume we're talking about 60 hours.

Now, it's true SP candidates don't really finish in 20 hours either. My students take about 30. Then, they need their night and instrument training, and practical test prep. That takes my students another 10 hours. So, 40 total now comes within reach. (In fact, they have more hours than that, because they've been flying for fun as sport pilots between ratings. But you can't count the cost of those flights, because they're not really lessons, or required training, even though they give the pilot experience and improve skills).

A slow student won't necessarily finish my SP/PP program in that 40 hour minimum, so let's throw in an extra 10 for good measure. We're still 10 hours ahead, which more than pays for the extra written as and checkride.

YMMV, but that's what my students are experiencing.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53656#p53656 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:32:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53656#p53656
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53657#p53657 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53657#p53657 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:36:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53657#p53657 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53658#p53658
TimTaylor wrote:There is NOTHING that prohibits you from switching from Sport to Private anytime before you take your Sport Pilot check ride. Go get a 3rd class physical, do the required Private Pilot training you haven't had, pass the written, get your recommendation, take the flight test. This will probably be a very common happening now that all training from a Sport CFI can count toward a Private.


That is certainly to be hoped!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53658#p53658 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:39:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53658#p53658
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53659#p53659
And yes, you can always cite exceptions where a student could have never passed his Private checkride without hours of experience that he obtained as a Sport Pilot, but that would not be typical. In addition, he could have obtained those same hours as a student pilot never having taken the Sport Pilot written, and never having taken the Sport Pilot flight test (and required training and sign-off for the flight test).]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53659#p53659 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:01:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53659#p53659
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53660#p53660 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53660#p53660 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:17:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53660#p53660 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53661#p53661
TimTaylor wrote:Read the Sport Pilot regulations. There is NOTHING that prohibits you from switching from Sport to Private anytime before you take your Sport Pilot check ride. Go get a 3rd class physical, do the required Private Pilot training you haven't had, pass the written, get your recommendation, take the flight test. This will probably be a very common happening now that all training from a Sport CFI can count toward a Private.

What would you have him do? I guess he could go get a 3rd class medical, throw out his log book, then start over as a student going for a Private certificate. Sometimes you have to use a little logic and common sense.


I was looking for the citation to your claim that any student pilot can solo a LSA without a medical.

Of course you can switch from sport to private pilot.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53661#p53661 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:21:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53661#p53661
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53662#p53662
If Paul's school can do both in 50 hours, then it can do Private only for that same student in 48 hours less the second flight test. How is this not cheaper? The student would not need the Sport Pilot flight test prep or the Sport PIlot flight test. That's not how his program is set up and his ground school is formatted, but that's his choice, not FAR requirements and not what every student would require.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53662#p53662 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:25:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53662#p53662
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53663#p53663
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Read the Sport Pilot regulations. There is NOTHING that prohibits you from switching from Sport to Private anytime before you take your Sport Pilot check ride. Go get a 3rd class physical, do the required Private Pilot training you haven't had, pass the written, get your recommendation, take the flight test. This will probably be a very common happening now that all training from a Sport CFI can count toward a Private.

What would you have him do? I guess he could go get a 3rd class medical, throw out his log book, then start over as a student going for a Private certificate. Sometimes you have to use a little logic and common sense.


I was looking for the citation to your claim that any student pilot can solo a LSA without a medical.

Of course you can switch from sport to private pilot.

Asked and answered by Paul and myself. Until he is a student specifically for Private pilot, he can solo an LSA without a medical. By default, he would be a student pilot for Sport Pilot if training in LSA until he says he is not. What FAR says when a student must decide and commit to which certificate he is going for?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53663#p53663 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:34:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53663#p53663
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53664#p53664
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Read the Sport Pilot regulations. There is NOTHING that prohibits you from switching from Sport to Private anytime before you take your Sport Pilot check ride. Go get a 3rd class physical, do the required Private Pilot training you haven't had, pass the written, get your recommendation, take the flight test. This will probably be a very common happening now that all training from a Sport CFI can count toward a Private.

What would you have him do? I guess he could go get a 3rd class medical, throw out his log book, then start over as a student going for a Private certificate. Sometimes you have to use a little logic and common sense.


I was looking for the citation to your claim that any student pilot can solo a LSA without a medical.

Of course you can switch from sport to private pilot.

Asked and answered by Paul and myself. Until he is a student specifically for Private pilot, he can solo an LSA without a medical. By default, he would be a student pilot for Sport Pilot if training in LSA until he says he is not. What FAR says when a student must decide and commit to which certificate he is going for?


There isn't one that says they must decide, but 61.23 says a student pilot must have a third class medical to exercise student pilot privileges in a airplane LSA or not. The only way they don't need a medical is if they have chosen the do sport pilot, and are flying a LSA.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53664#p53664 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:43:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53664#p53664
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53665#p53665 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53665#p53665 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:56:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53665#p53665 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53666#p53666
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
I was looking for the citation to your claim that any student pilot can solo a LSA without a medical.

Of course you can switch from sport to private pilot.

Asked and answered by Paul and myself. Until he is a student specifically for Private pilot, he can solo an LSA without a medical. By default, he would be a student pilot for Sport Pilot if training in LSA until he says he is not. What FAR says when a student must decide and commit to which certificate he is going for?


There isn't one that says they must decide, but 61.23 says a student pilot must have a third class medical to exercise student pilot privileges in a airplane LSA or not. The only way they don't need a medical is if they have chosen the do sport pilot, and are flying a LSA.

The FAR DOES NOT say they must have chosen to do sport pilot. That must, in fact, be what they are doing. That is what they are doing until it's not.

This situation is another of the ambiguous issues created with the introduction of Sport Pilot without a complete harmonization of all FAR's. Some people will read and interpret the FAR's precisely as written. Others will use common sense and logic to interpret things more liberally. This difference of opinion exist within the FAA also. It's similiar to the question of do you need a medical to act as safety pilot in an LSA for which you are legal to fly as PIC? Some say yes, some say no.

Obviously we disagree, so going back and forth is not going to resolve our difference of opinion.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53666#p53666 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:09:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53666#p53666
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53667#p53667
So, what do you do? I would let them start taking lessons in the CTLS and solo in the CTLS when ready. When it came time for instrument training and cross country training and solo cross country, I would make sure they met the Private certificate requirements.

At about this time, I would advise the student that they need to decide about the medical and take the appropriate Sport or Private written. If they took and passed the Sport Pilot written, I would finish them up and recommend for Sport Pilot check ride. If instead, they took and passed the Private Pilot written, I would tell them they need to go get a 3rd class medical and then finish them up for Private.

EDIT: Alternatively, on day one, you could tell the guy that, until he makes up his mind, he is a student going for Sport Pilot until/unless he gets his 3rd class medical. Personally, I see no difference.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53667#p53667 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:49:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53667#p53667
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53668#p53668 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53668#p53668 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:07:38 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53668#p53668 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53669#p53669
TimTaylor wrote:Just to beat this to death a little more...so a guy or gal comes to you and says I want to learn to fly. I have a spouse and 2 kids at home, so I think I want a Private certificate, but I have some (confidential) medical issues I'm working through and won't know how they shake out for 6 months or more. Anyway, I would like to start taking lessons from you next week in your CTLS. If I can resolve my medical issues, I will get an FAA 3rd class medical and probably move up to a 4 place Cessna or Piper.

So, what do you do? I would let them start taking lessons in the CTLS and solo in the CTLS when ready. When it came time for instrument training and cross country training and solo cross country, I would make sure they met the Private certificate requirements.

At about this time, I would advise the student that they need to decide about the medical and take the appropriate Sport or Private written. If they took and passed the Sport Pilot written, I would finish them up and recommend for Sport Pilot check ride. If instead, they took and passed the Private Pilot written, I would tell them they need to go get a 3rd class medical and then finish them up for Private.

EDIT: Alternatively, on day one, you could tell the guy that, until he makes up his mind, he is a student going for Sport Pilot until/unless he gets his 3rd class medical. Personally, I see no difference.


Since no medical is required to start training I would go ahead and start training. When it comes time to solo if they tell me they are not ready to go private pilot then they can solo with their drivers license. If they have told me they are going private I tell them they need to get a medical.

To take it even further I have 2 sons who I have been teaching to fly in my father's Taylorcraft, which is a LSA. My older son is 20, and he was in possession of a medical certificate when he soloed, because he is going for his private pilot. My younger son is 15. He has soloed in a glider, and hopes to get his private pilot on his 16th birthday. If that happens he will then solo the Taylorcraft as a private pilot seeking ASEL privileges. He will also have a medical certificate prior to flying the Taylorcraft solo.

I practice what I preach.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53669#p53669 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:28:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53669#p53669
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53670#p53670 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53670#p53670 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:45:56 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53670#p53670 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53671#p53671 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53671#p53671 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:54:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53671#p53671 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53672#p53672
TimTaylor wrote:So, they are ready to solo and tell you they haven't decided yet. They still want to go Private but have not gotten the answers they need regarding their health issues and may not for several more months. However, they want to continue with their training in the CTLS. What do you do?


I would make sure they understand the implications of not having decided which way to go. Like not saying they wanted to finish their sport pilot first would mean they needed to get a medical before they solo.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53672#p53672 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 23:32:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53672#p53672
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53673#p53673
drseti wrote:I'd say you tell the student he or she is now a Sport Pilot student, and the student solos. Downstream, the student shows up with a medical certificate. You then say you have a choice of continuing toward either the SP or the PP, and ask "which would you like to do?'

I would do this. But also tell the student that if he truly intends to go for Private, we will need to met the private requirements for instrument training and cross country training so that those will suffice for either Sport Pilot OR Private Pilot should he decide to go that route.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53673#p53673 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 23:55:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53673#p53673
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53674#p53674
Since the horse is only "mostly dead" (gosh I love that movie-lol) I will sum up by suggesting that it only costs a student 'less' (in terms of money paid to Paul's school) to go SP then PP, but certainly not less 'out-of-pocket' checkbook $$$ during the grand journey from SP to PP. The difference being buying competency hours on one's own as a licensed SP that will mean later spending fewer hours with a teacher being paid to be in the cockpit to become a PP. Thus reducing 'training' costs, at least as far as semantics are concerned.

However I happen to look at it, it's still a mighty considerable chunk of dough......COME ON LOTTO ticket ! lol]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53674#p53674 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 08:13:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53674#p53674
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53675#p53675
I came from a non-aviation family, but still love airplanes and flying. My Dad took me to see the Blue Angles before I was 10 because I liked airplanes so much. That may have influenced me when I received my initial aerobatic training from a former Naval Aviator that flew F4U Corsairs off of carriers and was a former test pilot for Piper.

Very happy to see the proposed LSA/Pilot rules before they were made law and very happy that folks now have the option to become a Sport Pilot. After purchasing the Vag, 1150GW & 45MPH stall speed, don't plan to get another FAA medical or Basic Med examination.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53675#p53675 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:26:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53675#p53675
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53676#p53676
TimTaylor wrote: The FAR DOES NOT say they must have chosen to do sport pilot. That must, in fact, be what they are doing. That is what they are doing until it's not.

This situation is another of the ambiguous issues created with the introduction of Sport Pilot without a complete harmonization of all FAR's. Some people will read and interpret the FAR's precisely as written. Others will use common sense and logic to interpret things more liberally. This difference of opinion exist within the FAA also. It's similiar to the question of do you need a medical to act as safety pilot in an LSA for which you are legal to fly as PIC? Some say yes, some say no.

Obviously we disagree, so going back and forth is not going to resolve our difference of opinion.


The point that you and Paul are missing is the fact that the medical requirements for a student pilot, or any pilot for that matter didn't automatically change because the FAA introduced LSA. An LSA is just an airplane like any other airplane for the most part. What you are doing in the airplane is what determines which medical requirements you must meet. If you are exercising commercial pilot privileges you need a second class medical. If you are exercising private pilot privileges you need a third class medical or basicmed. If you are exercising student pilot privileges you need a third class medical or basicmed. Except for the basicmed part pilot privileges have been this way since before sport pilot or LSA were introduced. The fact that the FAA added sport pilot and LSA didn't change this these requirements.

With the introduction of sport pilot the FAA determined that you could operate on a drivers license instead of a medical while exercising sport pilot privileges. If you are exercising any other privileges in a LSA you need the medical that goes along with those privileges. The FAA also had to fix the fact that someone who wanted to become a sport pilot could meet the requirements without having to meet the regulatory requirements of a student pilot needing a medical to exercise pilot privileges to obtain a pilot certificate that didn't require a medical, so they added this to the existing regulations.

(c) Operations requiring either a medical certificate or U.S. driver's license. (1) A person must hold and possess either a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter or a U.S. driver's license when—

(i) Exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking sport pilot privileges in a light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon;
To exercise student pilot privileges beyond what is covered by the line marked in bold above requires the student pilot to hold at least a third class medical or be participating in basicmed.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53676#p53676 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:38:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53676#p53676
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53677#p53677
I know what you are saying and I know why you are saying it. I disagree. If you want to interpret the FAR's precisely as written, that's fine. I choose to use logic, judgement, and common sense. I will also act as safety pilot in an LSA without a medical because I am legal as PIC. That is not what the FAR's say either. The requirement for a safety pilot to have a medical was so he would be a legal PIC. He doesn't need a medical to be legal PIC in an LSA. FAR's have not been totally harmonized since introduction of LSA and Sport Pilot.

EDIT: I'll also add that I have called the FAA on some of these issues and even they don't always agree with each other. That brings up the old question is it better to ask for permission or beg for forgiveness?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53677#p53677 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:54:52 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53677#p53677
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53678#p53678
TimTaylor wrote:This difference of opinion exist within the FAA also. It's similiar to the question of do you need a medical to act as safety pilot in an LSA for which you are legal to fly as PIC? Some say yes, some say no.


My take on that question is no, and here's why: to act as a required crew member, one must hold the appropriate medical certificate. When the PIC is under the hood, safety pilot is a required crew member. On that, all seem to agree. Where they disagree is in what medical certificate is appropriate for that crew function. IMHO, and consistent with the Sport Pilot rules, in an LSA, the appropriate medical certificate can be a driver's license.

The FAA specifically authorizes CFIs to instruct in LSAs using a driver's license. They also require SP candidates in any LSA with a Vh greater than 87 knots to receive instrument training, from a CFI, prior to solo XC. To prohibit otherwise authorized CFIs from being safety pilots would (since LSAs are 2-place maximum) potentially make that required instruction impossible. Therefore, FAA must have intended CFIs giving instruction in an LSA using a driver's license medical to act as safety pilots.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53678#p53678 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:29:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53678#p53678
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53679#p53679
3Dreaming wrote:If you are exercising student pilot privileges you need a third class medical or basicmed. Except for the basicmed part pilot privileges have been this way since before sport pilot or LSA were introduced. The fact that the FAA added sport pilot and LSA didn't change this these requirements.


Tom, you may recall that when LSA and SP were first introduced in 2004, there were a number of contradictions and oversights in the FARs, some of which were corrected in the 2010 revisions. (One of them was the Rocky Mountain altitude exemption.) I believe the present issue is one of the oversights that slipped through the cracks at the FAA. It is my belief that they did not intend to require all student pilots flying LSAs to get an FAA medical certificate. I don't really believe they intended to rule out the driver's license medical for students flying LSAs, when they allowed it for anyone else flying LSAs. If my interpretation is correct, FAA should correct this oversight in some future tweaking of the FARs. I certainly hope they do. But, correcting contradictions or discrepancies doesn't seem to be a high priority for FAA.

Another example of what I believe is an oversight is that, as a DPE, I can do Sport Pilot checkrides on Basic Med (or a driver's license, for that matter), but I cannot do Private Pilot checkrides without at least a Third Class medical. I'm sure this was an inadvertent omission when they wrote the Basic Med rules. Since there's a DPE shortage, one would hope this would be corrected, but who knows when?]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53679#p53679 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:37:40 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53679#p53679
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53680#p53680
drseti wrote: It is my belief that they did not intend to require all student pilots flying LSAs to get an FAA medical certificate. I don't really believe they intended to rule out the driver's license medical for students flying LSAs, when they allowed it for anyone else flying LSAs. If my interpretation is correct, FAA should correct this oversight in some future tweaking of the FARs. I certainly hope they do. But, correcting contradictions or discrepancies doesn't seem to be a high priority for FAA.


Paul, the fact that a pilot is flying a LSA has nothing to do with whether they need a medical or not. If I fly a LSA above 10,000 feet, in visibility less than 3 miles, at night, on an IFR flight plan, or towing a glider I need a medical. If I show up a Sentimental Journey with a J3 Cub and hang a shingle selling rides I need a medical. If the FAA didn't intend for student pilots flying a LSA to need a medical, then why did they see the need to change 61.23 to allow it specifically for students seeking sport pilot privileges.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53680#p53680 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:25:12 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53680#p53680
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53681#p53681 ]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53681#p53681 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:48:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53681#p53681 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53682#p53682
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:This difference of opinion exist within the FAA also. It's similiar to the question of do you need a medical to act as safety pilot in an LSA for which you are legal to fly as PIC? Some say yes, some say no.


My take on that question is no, and here's why: to act as a required crew member, one must hold the appropriate medical certificate. When the PIC is under the hood, safety pilot is a required crew member. On that, all seem to agree. Where they disagree is in what medical certificate is appropriate for that crew function. IMHO, and consistent with the Sport Pilot rules, in an LSA, the appropriate medical certificate can be a driver's license.

The FAA specifically authorizes CFIs to instruct in LSAs using a driver's license. They also require SP candidates in any LSA with a Vh greater than 87 knots to receive instrument training, from a CFI, prior to solo XC. To prohibit otherwise authorized CFIs from being safety pilots would (since LSAs are 2-place maximum) potentially make that required instruction impossible. Therefore, FAA must have intended CFIs giving instruction in an LSA using a driver's license medical to act as safety pilots.

When I'm flying an LSA by myself, I think I am a required crew member. I can do that with a driver's license. Therefore, I interpret the FAR's to allow me to also act as safety pilot (a required crew member) in an LSA with a driver's license. If I can fly by myself or put a non-pilot passenger in the right seat, I can certainly be a safety pilot.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53682#p53682 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:14:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53682#p53682
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53683#p53683 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53683#p53683 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:28:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53683#p53683 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53684#p53684
drseti wrote:Tom, the points you make are all based on the premise that FAA decisions and regulations are carefully thought out, rational, and purposeful. I'm afraid I can't easily accept that premise. ;)


I agree that there were issues that were created when sport pilot was introduced. I also agree that all FAA regulations are not well thought out. In this case they at least put some thought to it. This leads me to believe that this issue is not just a simple oversight as you inply. If they hadn't put some thought into it, there would be no way for a sport pilot student to get a sport pilot rating without first getting a medical. If the FAA hadn't made that specific change to 61.23 to allow student pilots seeking sport pilot privileges to operate a LSA with a drivers license, then ALL students would still need to have a medical.

I guess I should post the question to FAA legal. If I'm right nothing changes. If I am wrong it opens up things like you thought.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53684#p53684 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:28:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53684#p53684
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53685#p53685
Advisory Circular 61-65H

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/med ... 61-65H.pdf

15.2 Medical Requirements.

Once a Student Pilot Certificate has been issued, the pilot must comply with the applicable medical requirements in § 61.23 when exercising student pilot privileges. A person is not required to hold a medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a Student Pilot Certificate while seeking a sport pilot certificate with glider or balloon privileges or while seeking a pilot certificate with a glider rating or balloon class rating. A person exercising the privileges of a Student Pilot Certificate while seeking a sport pilot certificate in a light sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon must have a either a medical certificate or U.S. driver’s license. Refer to § 61.23(c)(2) for associated driver’s license considerations. Refer to § 61.23(c)(3) for student pilot requirements when using “BasicMed” in lieu of a medical certificate, which are applicable when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in § 61.113(i). For medical certificate requirements and duration, refer to § 61.23.

61.23 Medical certificates: Requirement and duration.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?p ... 3&rgn=div8

(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate—

(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, or student pilot certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

(c) Operations requiring either a medical certificate or U.S. driver's license. (1) A person must hold and possess either a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter or a U.S. driver's license when—

(i) Exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking sport pilot privileges in a light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon;

(ii) Exercising the privileges of a sport pilot certificate in a light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon;

(v) Exercising the privileges of a student, recreational or private pilot certificate if the flight is conducted under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

61.113(i) covers private pilot operations without current medical, but using Drivers License

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveEC ... .2.61_1113]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53685#p53685 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:29:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53685#p53685
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53686#p53686 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53686#p53686 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:31:31 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53686#p53686 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53687#p53687
TimTaylor wrote:We all know what the FAR's say.


Tim,

My post can be used by Prospective Private Pilot and Sport Pilot students that may not know what the FAR's say.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53687#p53687 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:34:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53687#p53687
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53688#p53688
rideandfly wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:We all know what the FAR's say.


Tim,

My post can be used by Prospective Private Pilot and Sport Pilot students that may not know what the FAR's say.

Yes, sorry. I shouldn't have posted that. Thanks.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53688#p53688 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:23:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53688#p53688
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53689#p53689
TimTaylor wrote:
rideandfly wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:We all know what the FAR's say.


Tim,

My post can be used by Prospective Private Pilot and Sport Pilot students that may not know what the FAR's say.

Yes, sorry. I shouldn't have posted that. Thanks.


Tim,

No problem.

Thanks,]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53689#p53689 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:27:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53689#p53689
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53697#p53697 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53697#p53697 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:41:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53697#p53697 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53698#p53698 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53698#p53698 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:57:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53698#p53698 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53699#p53699
drseti wrote:If a PP is flying an LSA without a medical or Basic Med, he or she is flying under Sport Pilot limitations and privileges. So, no flight above 10,000 (unless within 2000 AGL). Also, no night flying. If the aircraft operating limitations specify "day and night VFR" and the private pilot does have a medical, night and above 10,000 are both permitted.


A simple yes would have been okay. So pilot privileges are the deciding factor in whether a medical is needed to exercise the privileges of ones pilot certificate?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53699#p53699 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:20:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53699#p53699
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53700#p53700 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53700#p53700 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:33:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53700#p53700 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53701#p53701
3Dreaming wrote:A simple yes would have been okay.


For you, that would have been sufficient. But remember, we're educating others here. :)]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53701#p53701 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:35:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53701#p53701
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53703#p53703
drseti wrote:That was one factor, at least until the advent of Basic Med.


I was including basicmed in earlier post. I shortened it up for ease of typing.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53703#p53703 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:41:15 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53703#p53703
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53704#p53704 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53704#p53704 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 11:02:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53704#p53704 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53705#p53705
3Dreaming wrote:A question for Paul and Tim, is a private pilot flying a LSA above 10,000 feet or at night required to have a medical?

Yes, an FAA 3rd class or Basic Med. He is exercising his Private Pilot privileges, not Sport Pilot privileges.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53705#p53705 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 13:05:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53705#p53705
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53706#p53706
3Dreaming wrote:So if a private pilot requires a medical to exercise their privileges in a LSA, why shouldn't the same apply to a student pilot?
Because the Student can be considered a "Sport Pilot student" until he says he is a "Private Pilot student."]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53706#p53706 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 13:08:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53706#p53706
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53711#p53711 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53711#p53711 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:07:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53711#p53711 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53714#p53714 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53714#p53714 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:47:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53714#p53714 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53716#p53716
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:So if a private pilot requires a medical to exercise their privileges in a LSA, why shouldn't the same apply to a student pilot?
Because the Student can be considered a "Sport Pilot student" until he says he is a "Private Pilot student."


Have you looked at sub part C of the regulations. It says Student Pilot. A student pilot does not have a limitation to fly less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface like a sport pilot does. Student pilots are not limited to day only, they are allowed to fly at night with the appropriate training and endorsement. Student pilots do not having the limitations that are placed on sport pilots is the reason they are required to have a medical. Just like the provision in 61.23 that allows a student pilot seeking sport pilot privileges to fly using a drivers license, sub part C also has a provision for them to give up the standard student pilot limitations and accept the sport pilot limitations 61.89 (c). When they do this it also changes other aspects of the student pilot regulations. Sub part C is riddled with differences between your standard student pilot and those seeking sport pilot privileges.
A student pilot does not need any special airspace or speed endorsements, unless they are seeking sport pilot privileges.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53716#p53716 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:05:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53716#p53716
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53717#p53717 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53717#p53717 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:50:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53717#p53717 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53718#p53718
drseti wrote:I agree with Tim on that. If the student doesn't declare intent, he or she is like an undeclared major at a university, free to take any General Education courses. (In the flight world, SP training also fulfills the PP General Ed requirements.)


You are right in that they don't have to declare, but they still have to follow the rules of the university.

Unless you declare that you are seeking sport pilot privileges, then you would be operating under the whole of sub part C as it applies to student pilots. As an undeclared student pilot you would not have the limitation of flying less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface, or daytime only. You would have the requirement to hold a medical certificate or Basic Med.

Once you declare that you are a seeking sport pilot privileges you give up the standard student pilot privileges and limitations and accept sport pilot limitations. By accepting the sport pilot limitations you can now use your drivers license in place of a medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53718#p53718 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:33:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53718#p53718
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53719#p53719
3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:I agree with Tim on that. If the student doesn't declare intent, he or she is like an undeclared major at a university, free to take any General Education courses. (In the flight world, SP training also fulfills the PP General Ed requirements.)


You are right in that they don't have to declare, but they still have to follow the rules of the university.

Unless you declare that you are seeking sport pilot privileges, then you would be operating under the whole of sub part C as it applies to student pilots. As an undeclared student pilot you would not have the limitation of flying less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface, or daytime only. You would have the requirement to hold a medical certificate or Basic Med.

Once you declare that you are a seeking sport pilot privileges you give up the standard student pilot privileges and limitations and accept sport pilot limitations. By accepting the sport pilot limitations you can now use your drivers license in place of a medical.

Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53719#p53719 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:36:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53719#p53719
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53720#p53720 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53720#p53720 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:42:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53720#p53720 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53721#p53721
TimTaylor wrote:Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.


I'm not saying you must default to anything. I am saying that student pilots must follow the regulations that apply to a student pilots. Do you not agree with that?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53721#p53721 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:58:02 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53721#p53721
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53722#p53722
I think I'll take flying lessons (no medical). I get 8 to 10 hours in a C150 and am ready to solo (no medical). My CFI tells me I need a 3rd class FAA medical to solo. I'm not sure I want to do that and haven't decided if I want a Private or Sport, so I find another FBO (or the same FBO) with an LSA (no medical). I get 5 hours or so and my CFI says I'm ready to solo (no medical). I solo the LSA (no medical). I'm now ready to work on cross-country (no medical). I tell my CFI that I'm not sure if I want a Sport or Private so let's make sure the cross-country flights meet both Sport and Private requirements (no medical). I complete my cross-country requirements for Sport and Private (no medical). I also did 3 hours of instrument training before my solo cross-country (no medical).

So, about now, I need to take a written and get my 2 or 3 hours of dual in preparation for the flight test. I think I'll go get a 3rd class medical and my night flight training and go for Private. OR, I think I'll forgo the medical and go for Sport.

I see no violation of FAR's.

EDIT: Just can't fly about 10,000 feet because NO MEDICAL.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53722#p53722 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:58:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53722#p53722
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53723#p53723
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.


I'm not saying you must default to anything. I am saying that student pilots must follow the regulations that apply to a student pilots. Do you not agree with that?

Yes. And until they are a student pilot going for Private, they need no medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53723#p53723 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:04:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53723#p53723
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53724#p53724
3Dreaming wrote: As an undeclared student pilot you would not have the limitation of flying less than 10,000 feet or within 2,500 feet of the surface, or daytime only.


True. That would not mean the student has to fly high or at night, but it would be permitted.

You would have the requirement to hold a medical certificate or Basic Med.


Only in order to solo; not required for dual instruction.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53724#p53724 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:30:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53724#p53724
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53725#p53725
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Or vice-versa. There is no FAR that says you must default to Private if you have not declared. If he's flying an LSA, the default might be Sport Pilot. You're making assumptions that don't exist.


I'm not saying you must default to anything. I am saying that student pilots must follow the regulations that apply to a student pilots. Do you not agree with that?

Yes. And until they are a student pilot going for Private, they need no medical.


Nothing changes in the student pilot regulations until you are seeking sport pilot privileges. Up until that time you are just a student pilot, and required to follow student pilot regulations.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53725#p53725 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:32:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53725#p53725
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53726#p53726
drseti wrote:
Only in order to solo; not required for dual instruction.


Dual instruction does not apply to exercising student pilot privileges. The whole conversation has been about whether a student pilot needs a medical to exercise student pilot privileges.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53726#p53726 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:42:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53726#p53726
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53727#p53727
3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:
Only in order to solo; not required for dual instruction.


Dual instruction does not apply to exercising student pilot privileges. The whole conversation has been about whether a student pilot needs a medical to exercise student pilot privileges.


Which comes down to this: He needs a medical to fly solo above 10,000 feet and he needs a medical to fly solo in other than an LSA. Otherwise, he needs no medical until/unless he has decided he is a student in pursuit of a Private.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53727#p53727 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:54:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53727#p53727
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53732#p53732
Why is it so hard to understand that a student pilot who chooses to use a drivers license in lieu of a medical must also give up his student pilot privileges by seeking sport pilot privileges in the same way?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53732#p53732 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:18:12 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53732#p53732
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53733#p53733
3Dreaming wrote:I think we are pretty much in agreement that a private pilot who chooses to use a drivers license in lieu of a medical must give up private pilot privileges, and comply with sport pilot privileges.

Why is it so hard to understand that a student pilot who chooses to use a drivers license in lieu of a medical must also give up his student pilot privileges by seeking sport pilot privileges in the same way?


He does exactly that, until he decides to go get a 3rd class physical and get them back. In fact, he never had those privileges without a medical. That's why he can't solo the C150 until he gets a 3rd class physical. But, until then, he can fly an LSA as a student until he decides to do otherwise.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53733#p53733 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:27:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53733#p53733
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53734#p53734 It is abundantly clear and all seem to agree that the need for a medical as a student pilot to do their solo in an LSA hinges on the students intent (whether to pursue a Private or Sport Pilot ticket). There is no requirement or form to document this intent so it is entirely between the student and their CFI. If I was the CFI, I would encourage the student to keep their options open and focus on the SP. We would agree to discuss the final goal once we accomplished those requirements that were applicable to both. If the students goal was to start flying on the own now, then I'd sign them off for the SP checkride. If their goal was now PP, we'd go forward with those additional requirements after the student got their medical. In this scenario, there is no intent to pursue a PP until the decision point.

Of course, if the student is heck bent on getting their PP, then it would be ethical to respect their wishes and not sign-off for a solo until they showed up with a medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53734#p53734 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:34:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53734#p53734
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53735#p53735
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I think we are pretty much in agreement that a private pilot who chooses to use a drivers license in lieu of a medical must give up private pilot privileges, and comply with sport pilot privileges.

Why is it so hard to understand that a student pilot who chooses to use a drivers license in lieu of a medical must also give up his student pilot privileges by seeking sport pilot privileges in the same way?


He does exactly that, until he decides to go get a 3rd class physical and get them back. In fact, he never had those privileges without a medical. That's why he can't solo the C150 until he gets a 3rd class physical. But, until then, he can fly an LSA as a student until he decides to do otherwise.


So by exercising student pilot privileges with a drivers license in lieu of a medical the student has by de facto made the choice to seek sport pilot privileges whether they realize it or not. They are also now bound to all of the other quirks that a sport pilot student must endure.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53735#p53735 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:13:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53735#p53735
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53736#p53736 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53736#p53736 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:49:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53736#p53736 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53737#p53737
EDIT: Just to add, I don't know of anything that would prevent a student from changing his mind every time he drives to the airport. One day he decides to go for Sport. The next day he decides to go for Private. The next day he decides to go for Sport. Sooner of later he needs to decide, but until he takes a flight test, what would prevent him from changing his mind? He could even take both written test and get two recommendations. If he did it all in an LSA, he could get his 3rd class physical the day before he schedules his flight test, I suppose. I realize this is ridiculous, but no more than this entire thread.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53737#p53737 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:28:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53737#p53737
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53739#p53739
TimTaylor wrote:By virtue of no medical, he cannot solo any aircraft other than an LSA and he cannot fly above 10,000 feet. Otherwise, student pilot limitations and Sport Pilot limitations are the same, I think. He can get a 3rd class medical tomorrow and solo a C150 and fly above 10,000 feet if his CFI signs him off for solo in the C150. He has still not necessarily decided on Sport or Private.


With the medical he can also fly the LSA above 10,000 feet or at night. Again it is not the fact that he is flying a LSA that drives the requirement for a medical, but what he is doing. It's all about what privileges he is exercising.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53739#p53739 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:35:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53739#p53739
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53740#p53740
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:By virtue of no medical, he cannot solo any aircraft other than an LSA and he cannot fly above 10,000 feet. Otherwise, student pilot limitations and Sport Pilot limitations are the same, I think. He can get a 3rd class medical tomorrow and solo a C150 and fly above 10,000 feet if his CFI signs him off for solo in the C150. He has still not necessarily decided on Sport or Private.


With the medical he can also fly the LSA above 10,000 feet or at night. Again it is not the fact that he is flying a LSA that drives the requirement for a medical, but what he is doing. It's all about what privileges he is exercising.

Jesus. That's what I said. What the hell do you think "By virtue of no medical" means?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53740#p53740 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:45:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53740#p53740
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53747#p53747 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53747#p53747 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:34:40 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53747#p53747 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53750#p53750
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:By virtue of no medical, he cannot solo any aircraft other than an LSA and he cannot fly above 10,000 feet. Otherwise, student pilot limitations and Sport Pilot limitations are the same, I think. He can get a 3rd class medical tomorrow and solo a C150 and fly above 10,000 feet if his CFI signs him off for solo in the C150. He has still not necessarily decided on Sport or Private.


With the medical he can also fly the LSA above 10,000 feet or at night. Again it is not the fact that he is flying a LSA that drives the requirement for a medical, but what he is doing. It's all about what privileges he is exercising.

Jesus. That's what I said. What the hell do you think "By virtue of no medical" means?


I said basically the same thing back on page 1 and you were in disagreement with it. The only difference is you keep trying to tie it to airplanes other than LSA, when the airplane really isn't the deciding factor.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53750#p53750 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:55:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53750#p53750
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53752#p53752
drseti wrote:Everyone has made his position clear. Continuation of this discussion serves no useful purpose. I think it's time to move on to another thread.


Paul, do you agree that a student pilot must comply with the sport pilot limitations to exercise student pilot privileges with a drivers license in lieu of a medical?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53752#p53752 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:15:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53752#p53752
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53753#p53753 And, all pilots must conform to the limitations of their certificate and the aircraft they are flying...

Any pilot must have an FAA medical or Basic Med to solo or act as PIC in an aircraft other than LSA. A student can solo, but not act as PIC.
A Sport Pilot can never solo or act as PIC in an aircraft other than LSA.
Any pilot can solo or act as PIC in an LSA with a driver's license, FAA medical, or Basic Med. A student can solo, but not act as PIC.
Any pilot operating an LSA without an FAA medical or Basic Med must comply with Sport Pilot privileges and limitations.

The question at hand is when and if a student pilot flying an LSA needs an FAA medical or Basic Med.
The answer is never if he is seeking a Sport Pilot certificate in an LSA.

So, if he is seeking a Private certificate in an LSA, when does he need an FAA medical?
The answer is before his instructor recommends him for a flight test and before he takes a flight test.

So, the only remaining question is how long before?
This is where we disagree and will always disagree.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53753#p53753 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:14:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53753#p53753
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53754#p53754 Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.]]> no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53754#p53754 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:24:14 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53754#p53754 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53755#p53755
drseti wrote:You're getting into the weeds here, Tom.
Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.

And Sport Pilot restrictions are the same as student pilot restrictions except for the 10,000 feet limitation which would apply to anyone using a driver's license in lieu of an FAA medical or Basic Med.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53755#p53755 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:32:11 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53755#p53755
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53756#p53756 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53756#p53756 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:43:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53756#p53756 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53757#p53757 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53757#p53757 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:07:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53757#p53757 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53758#p53758
TimTaylor wrote:
drseti wrote:You're getting into the weeds here, Tom.
Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.

And Sport Pilot restrictions are the same as student pilot restrictions except for the 10,000 feet limitation which would apply to anyone using a driver's license in lieu of an FAA medical or Basic Med.


And night with appropriate training and endorsements.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53758#p53758 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:13:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53758#p53758
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53759#p53759
HAPPYDAN wrote:But now here's an interesting twist. At a place where I began training (years ago) I made it abundantly clear I was pursuing SPL only. Nothing more. But - the owner insisted his insurance required (at least) a 3rd class medical to solo or rent his planes. Period. Sorry, Paul - I couldn't resist!


when I started doing sport pilot training in 2006 my insurance carrier had the same limitation. Except I could train and solo a sport pilot student, but as soon as they completed their sport pilot checkride the company required a third class medical.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53759#p53759 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:15:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53759#p53759
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53761#p53761
drseti wrote:You're getting into the weeds here, Tom.
Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.


Weeds, I don't think so.
I have only been speaking about solo flight. Of course no medical is required for the student to receive flight instruction.

An LSA is just an airplane, just like any other airplane. The fact that it is a LSA doesn't automatically change regulations or pilot privileges. The only time a LSA has any significance over any other airplane is when limitations on the pilot are changed limiting them to only being able to fly a LSA. It is this pilot limitation that determines whether a medical is required.

A student pilot is not required to fly a LSA. They can choose to fly a LSA, but that doesn't automatically change the medical requirements. The medical requirements change when they choose to follow the sport pilot limitations, one of which is the requirement that they must only fly a LSA. They must also follow all the other sport pilot limitations.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53761#p53761 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 12:52:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53761#p53761
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53762#p53762
He could also be working on a Sport in the non-LSA up to a point.

He could also be taking lessons in a twin toward a Private.

The FAR's do not prohibit multi-tasking, so let's not put restrictions in that don't exist.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53762#p53762 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:27:11 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53762#p53762
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53763#p53763
3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:You're getting into the weeds here, Tom.
Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.


Weeds, I don't think so.
I have only been speaking about solo flight. Of course no medical is required for the student to receive flight instruction.

An LSA is just an airplane, just like any other airplane. The fact that it is a LSA doesn't automatically change regulations or pilot privileges. The only time a LSA has any significance over any other airplane is when limitations on the pilot are changed limiting them to only being able to fly a LSA. It is this pilot limitation that determines whether a medical is required.

A student pilot is not required to fly a LSA. They can choose to fly a LSA, but that doesn't automatically change the medical requirements. The medical requirements change when they choose to follow the sport pilot limitations, one of which is the requirement that they must only fly a LSA. They must also follow all the other sport pilot limitations.

Well, actually it does. Most LSA are not IFR certified so an Instrument rated pilot cannot fly IFR in an LSA even though he is licensed and current to fly IFR. That is an aircraft specific restriction. Some LSA are not certified for night flight. Some non-LSA are not certified for instrument and/or night flight. So, the aircraft does, at times, automatically change regulations or pilot privileges.

Point being, it is the totality of the pilot's certification, currency, and medical status as well as the aircraft certification and currency, etc. that establishes what can and cannot be done for the flight in question.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53763#p53763 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:05:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53763#p53763
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53765#p53765
TimTaylor wrote:EXAMPLE:

I think I'll take flying lessons (no medical). I get 8 to 10 hours in a C150 and am ready to solo (no medical). My CFI tells me I need a 3rd class FAA medical to solo. I'm not sure I want to do that and haven't decided if I want a Private or Sport, so I find another FBO (or the same FBO) with an LSA (no medical). I get 5 hours or so and my CFI says I'm ready to solo (no medical). I solo the LSA (no medical). I'm now ready to work on cross-country (no medical). I tell my CFI that I'm not sure if I want a Sport or Private so let's make sure the cross-country flights meet both Sport and Private requirements (no medical). I complete my cross-country requirements for Sport and Private (no medical). I also did 3 hours of instrument training before my solo cross-country (no medical).

So, about now, I need to take a written and get my 2 or 3 hours of dual in preparation for the flight test. I think I'll go get a 3rd class medical and my night flight training and go for Private. OR, I think I'll forgo the medical and go for Sport.

I see no violation of FAR's.

EDIT: Just can't fly about 10,000 feet because NO MEDICAL.


As an instructor I would have issues, especially when it came to the cross country. When I am flying with a private pilot student I make a dual cross country to a class D airport. I then send the student on their solo cross countries, normally 2 flights. For the solo cross countries I send them to at least one class D or C airport on each flight, with instructions to make sure they get their 3 take offs and landings. It will be the first time for them flying into these towered airports.

If they now choose to go sport pilot, they are now a student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate. The solo flights into those class D or C airports didn't have the required training or endorsements as spelled out in 61.94. Without the training or endorsements did those flights now become a violation of the FAR's for the student? What about the instructor?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53765#p53765 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:19:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53765#p53765
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53766#p53766
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:EXAMPLE:

I think I'll take flying lessons (no medical). I get 8 to 10 hours in a C150 and am ready to solo (no medical). My CFI tells me I need a 3rd class FAA medical to solo. I'm not sure I want to do that and haven't decided if I want a Private or Sport, so I find another FBO (or the same FBO) with an LSA (no medical). I get 5 hours or so and my CFI says I'm ready to solo (no medical). I solo the LSA (no medical). I'm now ready to work on cross-country (no medical). I tell my CFI that I'm not sure if I want a Sport or Private so let's make sure the cross-country flights meet both Sport and Private requirements (no medical). I complete my cross-country requirements for Sport and Private (no medical). I also did 3 hours of instrument training before my solo cross-country (no medical).

So, about now, I need to take a written and get my 2 or 3 hours of dual in preparation for the flight test. I think I'll go get a 3rd class medical and my night flight training and go for Private. OR, I think I'll forgo the medical and go for Sport.

I see no violation of FAR's.

EDIT: Just can't fly about 10,000 feet because NO MEDICAL.


As an instructor I would have issues, especially when it came to the cross country. When I am flying with a private pilot student I make a dual cross country to a class D airport. I then send the student on their solo cross countries, normally 2 flights. For the solo cross countries I send them to at least one class D or C airport on each flight, with instructions to make sure they get their 3 take offs and landings. It will be the first time for them flying into these towered airports.

If they now choose to go sport pilot, they are now a student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate. The solo flights into those class D or C airports didn't have the required training or endorsements as spelled out in 61.94. Without the training or endorsements did those flights now become a violation of the FAR's for the student? What about the instructor?

Well, don't do that or do the class B, C, D endorsement first. That endorsement doesn't mean they still can't decide to go for Private.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53766#p53766 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:24:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53766#p53766
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53769#p53769
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:You're getting into the weeds here, Tom.
Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.


Weeds, I don't think so.
I have only been speaking about solo flight. Of course no medical is required for the student to receive flight instruction.

An LSA is just an airplane, just like any other airplane. The fact that it is a LSA doesn't automatically change regulations or pilot privileges. The only time a LSA has any significance over any other airplane is when limitations on the pilot are changed limiting them to only being able to fly a LSA. It is this pilot limitation that determines whether a medical is required.

A student pilot is not required to fly a LSA. They can choose to fly a LSA, but that doesn't automatically change the medical requirements. The medical requirements change when they choose to follow the sport pilot limitations, one of which is the requirement that they must only fly a LSA. They must also follow all the other sport pilot limitations.

Well, actually it does. Most LSA are not IFR certified so an Instrument rated pilot cannot fly IFR in an LSA even though he is licensed and current to fly IFR. That is an aircraft specific restriction. Some LSA are not certified for night flight. Some non-LSA are not certified for instrument and/or night flight. So, the aircraft does, at times, automatically change regulations or pilot privileges.

Point being, it is the totality of the pilot's certification, currency, and medical status as well as the aircraft certification and currency, etc. that establishes what can and cannot be done for the flight in question.


It is true that most LSA are not IFR certified. The reason an instrument rated pilot can not fly it IFR is not because it is a LSA, it is because it is not IFR certified.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53769#p53769 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:38:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53769#p53769
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53770#p53770 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53770#p53770 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:40:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53770#p53770 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53771#p53771
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
drseti wrote:You're getting into the weeds here, Tom.
Unless solo, there are no "student pilot privileges" to exercise. Anyone who has either the TSA citizenship endorsement or has met the Alien Flight Student Program background check requirements can receive dual instruction in anything, with or without a medical or driver's license. Only the aircraft limitations dictate what can and can't be done in dual instruction. "Privileges" only apply for solo flight. At that point, yes, in an airplane the drivers license medical limits the student to the SP restrictions.


Weeds, I don't think so.
I have only been speaking about solo flight. Of course no medical is required for the student to receive flight instruction.

An LSA is just an airplane, just like any other airplane. The fact that it is a LSA doesn't automatically change regulations or pilot privileges. The only time a LSA has any significance over any other airplane is when limitations on the pilot are changed limiting them to only being able to fly a LSA. It is this pilot limitation that determines whether a medical is required.

A student pilot is not required to fly a LSA. They can choose to fly a LSA, but that doesn't automatically change the medical requirements. The medical requirements change when they choose to follow the sport pilot limitations, one of which is the requirement that they must only fly a LSA. They must also follow all the other sport pilot limitations.

Well, actually it does. Most LSA are not IFR certified so an Instrument rated pilot cannot fly IFR in an LSA even though he is licensed and current to fly IFR. That is an aircraft specific restriction. Some LSA are not certified for night flight. Some non-LSA are not certified for instrument and/or night flight. So, the aircraft does, at times, automatically change regulations or pilot privileges.

Point being, it is the totality of the pilot's certification, currency, and medical status as well as the aircraft certification and currency, etc. that establishes what can and cannot be done for the flight in question.
]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53771#p53771 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:43:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53771#p53771
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53773#p53773
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:EXAMPLE:

I think I'll take flying lessons (no medical). I get 8 to 10 hours in a C150 and am ready to solo (no medical). My CFI tells me I need a 3rd class FAA medical to solo. I'm not sure I want to do that and haven't decided if I want a Private or Sport, so I find another FBO (or the same FBO) with an LSA (no medical). I get 5 hours or so and my CFI says I'm ready to solo (no medical). I solo the LSA (no medical). I'm now ready to work on cross-country (no medical). I tell my CFI that I'm not sure if I want a Sport or Private so let's make sure the cross-country flights meet both Sport and Private requirements (no medical). I complete my cross-country requirements for Sport and Private (no medical). I also did 3 hours of instrument training before my solo cross-country (no medical).

So, about now, I need to take a written and get my 2 or 3 hours of dual in preparation for the flight test. I think I'll go get a 3rd class medical and my night flight training and go for Private. OR, I think I'll forgo the medical and go for Sport.

I see no violation of FAR's.

EDIT: Just can't fly about 10,000 feet because NO MEDICAL.


As an instructor I would have issues, especially when it came to the cross country. When I am flying with a private pilot student I make a dual cross country to a class D airport. I then send the student on their solo cross countries, normally 2 flights. For the solo cross countries I send them to at least one class D or C airport on each flight, with instructions to make sure they get their 3 take offs and landings. It will be the first time for them flying into these towered airports.

If they now choose to go sport pilot, they are now a student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate. The solo flights into those class D or C airports didn't have the required training or endorsements as spelled out in 61.94. Without the training or endorsements did those flights now become a violation of the FAR's for the student? What about the instructor?

Well, don't do that or do the class B, C, D endorsement first. That endorsement doesn't mean they still can't decide to go for Private.


For me to do the added training to make those private pilot cross countries eligible for sport pilot will add a minimum of 3 hours additional flight training and at least $500 to the cost of their training.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53773#p53773 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:47:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53773#p53773
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53774#p53774 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53774#p53774 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:50:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53774#p53774 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53775#p53775
TimTaylor wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Weeds, I don't think so.
I have only been speaking about solo flight. Of course no medical is required for the student to receive flight instruction.

An LSA is just an airplane, just like any other airplane. The fact that it is a LSA doesn't automatically change regulations or pilot privileges. The only time a LSA has any significance over any other airplane is when limitations on the pilot are changed limiting them to only being able to fly a LSA. It is this pilot limitation that determines whether a medical is required.

A student pilot is not required to fly a LSA. They can choose to fly a LSA, but that doesn't automatically change the medical requirements. The medical requirements change when they choose to follow the sport pilot limitations, one of which is the requirement that they must only fly a LSA. They must also follow all the other sport pilot limitations.

Well, actually it does. Most LSA are not IFR certified so an Instrument rated pilot cannot fly IFR in an LSA even though he is licensed and current to fly IFR. That is an aircraft specific restriction. Some LSA are not certified for night flight. Some non-LSA are not certified for instrument and/or night flight. So, the aircraft does, at times, automatically change regulations or pilot privileges.

Point being, it is the totality of the pilot's certification, currency, and medical status as well as the aircraft certification and currency, etc. that establishes what can and cannot be done for the flight in question.


So what regulations or pilot privileges were changed because the airplane was a LSA compared to any other airplane that is not IFR certified or equipped to fly at night?]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53775#p53775 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:56:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53775#p53775
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53776#p53776
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Well, actually it does. Most LSA are not IFR certified so an Instrument rated pilot cannot fly IFR in an LSA even though he is licensed and current to fly IFR. That is an aircraft specific restriction. Some LSA are not certified for night flight. Some non-LSA are not certified for instrument and/or night flight. So, the aircraft does, at times, automatically change regulations or pilot privileges.

Point being, it is the totality of the pilot's certification, currency, and medical status as well as the aircraft certification and currency, etc. that establishes what can and cannot be done for the flight in question.


So what regulations or pilot privileges were changed because the airplane was a LSA compared to any other airplane that is not IFR certified or equipped to fly at night?

None that I know of. I suppose he can't carry 3 passengers. Is that a privilege?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53776#p53776 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:58:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53776#p53776
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53777#p53777 https://media.giphy.com/media/Y2RLZ5XXYeK0o/giphy.gif]]> no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53777#p53777 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:04:46 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53777#p53777 <![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53779#p53779
Too late! :shock:]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53779#p53779 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:18:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53779#p53779
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53780#p53780
drseti wrote:There is no difference in student pilot certificates for sport vs. Pvt pilots. The only difference is the requirement that a current FAA medical is required to solo anything other than an LSA.

Apologies to the OP for everything posted beyond this.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53780#p53780 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:22:31 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53780#p53780
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53781#p53781

To funny! I suppose it is time to draft my letter the FAA.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53781#p53781 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:43:14 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53781#p53781
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53783#p53783
3Dreaming wrote: I suppose it is time to draft my letter the FAA.


Think long and hard before doing so, Tom. Seriously contemplate the Law of Unintended Consequences]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53783#p53783 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:35:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53783#p53783
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53784#p53784
drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote: I suppose it is time to draft my letter the FAA.


Think long and hard before doing so, Tom. Seriously contemplate the Law of Unintended Consequences


I have.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53784#p53784 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:15:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53784#p53784
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53787#p53787
And by the same token, perhaps they never addressed legal PIC's acting as safety pilot in an LSA with a driver's license.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53787#p53787 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 23:58:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53787#p53787
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53788#p53788
TimTaylor wrote:At the risk or reopening this can of worms, perhaps the FAA did not anticipate students getting a Private in an LSA. Maybe they thought a student gets a Sport Pilot certificate in an LSA with a driver's license or a student gets a Private Pilot certificate in a non-LSA with a 3rd class medical. Therefore, the inconsistency was never addressed. Perhaps?

And by the same token, perhaps they never addressed legal PIC's acting as safety pilot in an LSA with a driver's license.


The medical certificate that a pilot is required to hold has always been based on the privileges they are exercising, not the airplane they are flying. It was that way 38 years ago when I learned to fly, and it is still that way now. If you choose to fly a airplane with a drivers license in lieu of a medical you must fly a LSA. Choosing to fly a LSA doesn't automatically change your medical requirements allowing you to use a drivers license, unless you are willing to accept the pilot limitations that go along with it.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53788#p53788 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 10:40:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53788#p53788
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53789#p53789
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:At the risk or reopening this can of worms, perhaps the FAA did not anticipate students getting a Private in an LSA. Maybe they thought a student gets a Sport Pilot certificate in an LSA with a driver's license or a student gets a Private Pilot certificate in a non-LSA with a 3rd class medical. Therefore, the inconsistency was never addressed. Perhaps?

And by the same token, perhaps they never addressed legal PIC's acting as safety pilot in an LSA with a driver's license.


The medical certificate that a pilot is required to hold has always been based on the privileges they are exercising, not the airplane they are flying. It was that way 38 years ago when I learned to fly, and it is still that way now. If you choose to fly a airplane with a drivers license in lieu of a medical you must fly a LSA. Choosing to fly a LSA doesn't automatically change your medical requirements allowing you to use a drivers license, unless you are willing to accept the pilot limitations that go along with it.

Thank you Captain Obvious. Maybe I should remind you there was never a provision to fly any airplane with a driver's license until the advent of Sport Pilot and LSA. You keep making the nonsensical argument that it has nothing to do with LSA. It has everything to do with LSA because there is no other aircraft which can be operated with just a driver's license. And yes, WE ALL KNOW, you must operate with Sport Pilot privileges when flying an LSA with a driver's license. Without LSA, there would be no Sport Pilot. Without Sport Pilot AND LSA, there would be no driver's license medical. A Sport Pilot certificate without LSA is useless. The Sport Pilot certificate would not exist without LSA and flying with a driver's license would not exist without Sport Pilot AND LSA.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53789#p53789 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:37:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53789#p53789
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53790#p53790
TimTaylor wrote:At the risk or reopening this can of worms, perhaps the FAA did not anticipate students getting a Private in an LSA. Maybe they thought a student gets a Sport Pilot certificate in an LSA with a driver's license or a student gets a Private Pilot certificate in a non-LSA with a 3rd class medical. Therefore, the inconsistency was never addressed. Perhaps?

And by the same token, perhaps they never addressed legal PIC's acting as safety pilot in an LSA with a driver's license.


I'll post this again due to the previous distraction.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53790#p53790 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:34:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53790#p53790
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53792#p53792
TimTaylor wrote:Thank you Captain Obvious. Maybe I should remind you there was never a provision to fly any airplane with a driver's license until the advent of Sport Pilot and LSA. You keep making the nonsensical argument that it has nothing to do with LSA. It has everything to do with LSA because there is no other aircraft which can be operated with just a driver's license. And yes, WE ALL KNOW, you must operate with Sport Pilot privileges when flying an LSA with a driver's license. Without LSA, there would be no Sport Pilot. Without Sport Pilot AND LSA, there would be no driver's license medical. A Sport Pilot certificate without LSA is useless. The Sport Pilot certificate would not exist without LSA and flying with a driver's license would not exist without Sport Pilot AND LSA.


Tim, you are trying to make the tail wag the dog. It just doesn't work that way. When I say the airplane doesn't matter I am speaking in broader terms than just sport pilot. I does matter to sport pilots, because it is a limitation on their pilot certificate. For pilots with any other pilot certificate it is just an airplane. If they choose to exercise private pilot privileges in the airplane they need a third class medical. If they choose to exercise commercial pilot privileges they need a second class medical. According to 61.23 if they choose to exercise student pilot privileges they need a medical. It is not until they decide to exercise sport pilot privileges that the airplane becomes important. The privilege drives the need for the medical, the airplane is a limitation of the sport pilot privilege.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53792#p53792 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:12:38 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53792#p53792
<![CDATA[The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! :: Re: Can my sport pilot student use his private pilot student certificate? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53794#p53794
TDFlyer wrote:Or does he need to apply again for a sport pilot student certificate

Your student can use his student pilot certificate for Sport, Recreational, or Private because a student pilot certificate is not specific to one or the other. Thank God you did not ask about medical requirements.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53794#p53794 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:06:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5211&p=53794#p53794
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Newbie looking forward to scale the skies! :: Reply by savy13]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5188&p=53443#p53443
Last couple weeks, I was meeting and talking to different schools and planning for the training. I had shortlisted two of them, one closer and the other about 45 - 60 mins drive (one way). I eventually decided for the closer one since this provided an option to go during weekdays on day time (during lunch time), while the other place would have been feasible only on weekends. Targeting 2-3 classes a week.

Also, in meanwhile, got my medical done last week. I wanted to ensure this before starting my training.

I'm planning to keep my progress posted here as I continue my journey towards PPL
Thank you!]]>
no_email@example.com (savy13) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5188&p=53443#p53443 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:24:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5188&p=53443#p53443
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Newbie looking forward to scale the skies! :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5188&p=53444#p53444
savy13 wrote:Thank you all for the advice. I eventually decided to go on the PPL route. I realized that I would love to take my family in the skies once I get my license, and not sure SPL would allow (if & when regulations change).

Last couple weeks, I was meeting and talking to different schools and planning for the training. I had shortlisted two of them, one closer and the other about 45 - 60 mins drive (one way). I eventually decided for the closer one since this provided an option to go during weekdays on day time (during lunch time), while the other place would have been feasible only on weekends. Targeting 2-3 classes a week.

Also, in meanwhile, got my medical done last week. I wanted to ensure this before starting my training.

I'm planning to keep my progress posted here as I continue my journey towards PPL
Thank you!


Good Luck, look forward to hearing about your adventure...]]>
no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5188&p=53444#p53444 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:46:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5188&p=53444#p53444
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: New to the aviation world :: Author bdtrauma]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53543#p53543
Bert]]>
no_email@example.com (bdtrauma) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53543#p53543 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 19:19:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53543#p53543
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New to the aviation world :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53544#p53544 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53544#p53544 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 19:24:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53544#p53544 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New to the aviation world :: Reply by bdtrauma]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53546#p53546 no_email@example.com (bdtrauma) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53546#p53546 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:05:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53546#p53546 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New to the aviation world :: Reply by savy13]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53567#p53567 no_email@example.com (savy13) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53567#p53567 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:33:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5203&p=53567#p53567 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: New from North Carolina :: Author rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53557#p53557
Purchased a 1948 Piper PA-17 "Vagabond" earlier this year and having loads of fun with it. It originally came with a C65 engine and later had a C85 installed with metal propeller, a FAA field approved installation. It does not have an electrical system or flaps, hand prop the Vag and use a handheld radio for communications with a externally mounted antenna. Started flying in the 70s and flew mostly tri-gear aircraft since that time. Base the Vag on a grass strip in NC and having loads of fun practicing tailwheel landings getting to know the Vag. It climbs at 900FPM solo with full fuel and 80F with the 85HP engine. The Vag uses many parts used on the J3 Cub.

Vag Information:

Gross Weight: 1150
Wingspan: 29’4″
Length: 18’8″
Height: 6’1”
Fuel capacity: 12 gallons
Cruise: 90 mph
Max Speed: 102 mph
Stall Speed: 45 mph

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no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53557#p53557 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:26:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53557#p53557
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53558#p53558
Where in NC, might I ask?]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53558#p53558 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:35:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53558#p53558
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53559#p53559
Hangared at N92 north of CLT.

Guessing you're the same FastEddie that has a camper, if so met you a few years ago at a LivinLite rally in SC. Small world!

Thanks,]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53559#p53559 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:40:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53559#p53559
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53560#p53560
rideandfly wrote:Guessing you're the same FastEddie that has a camper, if so met you a few years ago at a LivinLite rally in SC. Small world!


"It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it." Steven Wright

Yep! Thats me!

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Do you (still?) own a CampLite? Maybe consider a trip over to the Knoxville or N GA area some time - I'd love to see your plane.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53560#p53560 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:47:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53560#p53560
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53561#p53561 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53561#p53561 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:49:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53561#p53561 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53562#p53562
Sold the CampLite and camping in an Oliver. If I remember correctly you were looking at land on a grass strip SW of Knoxville. Hopefully we can get together in the near future, either camping or flying!

Thanks,]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53562#p53562 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:52:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53562#p53562
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53563#p53563
Scooper wrote:Welcome, Bill. That's one sweet looking Vagabond.


Stan,

Appreciate the Welcome!!!! Always admired Chris Heinz's designed aircraft. Met him one time at Sun N Fun, very fine man.

Thanks,]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53563#p53563 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:55:44 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53563#p53563
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53564#p53564
rideandfly wrote:Eddie,

Sold the CampLite and camping in an Oliver. If I remember correctly you were looking at land on a grass strip SW of Knoxville. Hopefully we can get together in the near future, either camping or flying!

Thanks,


We do in fact, now have a home and hangar on a grass strip W of Knoxville in Lenoir City - 80TN. Search for "pole barn" and you'll see a thread on the adventure, plus there's an even longer one over on Pilots of America and the same search term works.

We also have a fenced RV area with two spots with 30A and 50A service and city water. Our CampLite resides there now but room for one more.

Or fly in some time! You could overnite in the CampLite. Either way, looking forward to it.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53564#p53564 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:22:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53564#p53564
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53565#p53565
FastEddieB wrote:
rideandfly wrote:Eddie,

Sold the CampLite and camping in an Oliver. If I remember correctly you were looking at land on a grass strip SW of Knoxville. Hopefully we can get together in the near future, either camping or flying!

Thanks,


We do in fact, now have a home and hangar on a grass strip W of Knoxville - 80TN. Search for "pole barn" and you'll see a thread on the adventure, plus there's an even longer one over on Pilots of America and the same search term works.

We also have a fenced RV area with two spots with 30A and 50A service and city water. Out CampLite resides there now but room for one more.

Or fly in some time! You could overnite in the CampLite. Either way, looking forward to it.


Eddie appreciate the invitation! Will let you know the next time we're in your area to see if we can visit!

We camped in TN during the eclipse:

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70th Birthday:

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no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53565#p53565 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:29:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53565#p53565
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53566#p53566 no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53566#p53566 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:16:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53566#p53566 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53568#p53568 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53568#p53568 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:50:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53568#p53568 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53569#p53569
Oh, nice Vagabond. No Vagabond time, but I have J3, Clipper, and Tri-Pacer time. The Vagabond was on my shortlist for a LSA back in 2006 when I bought my J3.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53569#p53569 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:17:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53569#p53569
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53570#p53570
3Dreaming wrote:You guys can come to my airport for the next eclipse.


Thanks for the invitation, Tom. I'll probably end up in either Erie or Buffalo (depending on wx).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53570#p53570 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:29:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53570#p53570
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53573#p53573
chicagorandy wrote:A Beauty….and only 1 year older than me - lol


Appreciate the Welcome, the Vag flies like a new one!!!!]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53573#p53573 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:07:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53573#p53573
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53574#p53574
drseti wrote:Welcome aboard. Very pretty Vagabond - and nice eclipse photos. (I also watched the eclipse in TN - at Eddie's airport.)


Thanks for the Welcome, We watched the eclipse from Tellico Plains TN!]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53574#p53574 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:07:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53574#p53574
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53575#p53575
3Dreaming wrote:You guys can come to my airport for the next eclipse.

Oh, nice Vagabond. No Vagabond time, but I have J3, Clipper, and Tri-Pacer time. The Vagabond was on my shortlist for a LSA back in 2006 when I bought my J3.


I wanted a J3, but the hangar width is the same as the J3 wing span, the Vag has clipped J3 wings and fits nicely! Did the basic med about a year ago before finding the Vag, now I'm not going to worry about getting another FAA medical.

We plan to see the next eclipse, too! Thanks for the invitation!

Thanks,]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53575#p53575 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:05:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53575#p53575
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New from North Carolina :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53576#p53576
See you're from Lock Haven. We camped close to Lock Haven PA and attended Sentimental Journey earlier this year:

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no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53576#p53576 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:18:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5206&p=53576#p53576
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Student Sport Pilot in New Mexico :: Author jpleonard2000]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53577#p53577
My name is John. I'm a student sport pilot living in Albuquerque, NM. I've been doing my flight training in a Remos GX at Santa Fe Municipal airport and plan to take my practical exam in the next week or two. I got interested in aviation while working on my PhD in Wildlife Sciences. I was conducting a wildlife telemetry study and we often had to fly in a Cessna 172, with yagi antennas attached to the wing struts, to locate missing collars. I used the opportunity to learn some basic flight maneuvers and quickly got hooked.

I would really like to meet any other pilots in New Mexico. Like I said, I should have my sport pilot certificate in a few weeks.

Cheers,

John Leonard]]>
no_email@example.com (jpleonard2000) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53577#p53577 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 18:52:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53577#p53577
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Student Sport Pilot in New Mexico :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53578#p53578
Keep everybody posted on your SP training progress at SAF.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53578#p53578 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 20:37:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53578#p53578
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Student Sport Pilot in New Mexico :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53579#p53579 ]]> no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53579#p53579 Wed, 07 Nov 2018 08:31:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53579#p53579 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Student Sport Pilot in New Mexico :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53594#p53594
Welcome, I'm new here too! Have good memories of my first practical exam 40 years ago and confident it will be a pleasant experience for you, too. Please let us know when you get your Sport Pilot certificate!

Regards,]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53594#p53594 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:56:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53594#p53594
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Student Sport Pilot in New Mexico :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53597#p53597
http://SportPilotExaminer.US

to get an overview of the process. I'd say prepare, but don't over-prepare. Go into the practical rested and relaxed, and you'll do fine. Oh - and don't forget to have fun!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53597#p53597 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:29:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53597#p53597
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Student Sport Pilot in New Mexico :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53598#p53598 no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53598#p53598 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:51:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5208&p=53598#p53598 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Reintroduction :: Author dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53523#p53523 I retired from a 35 year career in software development over a year ago and have been searching for what is now termed an 'encore career'. After decompressing for quite awhile, I decided I wanted to do something in aviation that leverages the 'fun' parts of my prior career. I've been a very satisfied and impressed user of iFlyGPS for 6 years and through sheer serendipity connected with the founder of Adventure Pilot/iFlyGPS. So reminiscent of Victor Kiam years ago who bought Remington Razors ("I liked the shaver so much I bought the company!"), I like iFlyGPS so much I joined them as VP of Business Development. It didn't hurt that Adventure Pilot is based 10 minutes from my house :D

I'll still continue to post and lurk as before just wanted full disclosure of my background when I post on navigation GPS topics. That being said, I have always prided myself on putting customers first and working with them to provide the right solution, regardless of the products and service my firm was offering. I expect this to continue.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53523#p53523 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 17:19:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53523#p53523
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Reintroduction :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53524#p53524 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53524#p53524 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 18:36:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53524#p53524 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Reintroduction :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53532#p53532 no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53532#p53532 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:45:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53532#p53532 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Reintroduction :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53611#p53611 go to guy if I have questions about my iFly 720 :D]]> no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53611#p53611 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:53:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53611#p53611 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Reintroduction :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53612#p53612 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53612#p53612 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 12:05:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5200&p=53612#p53612 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Author jessde]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53690#p53690 It's been about six years since I've flown anything. Got my private lic. in 1980 and have owned a Cessna 150 & 172 then a Maule M4 & M6. my last 100 or so hrs were in a 1946 Ercoupe and a few in a jabiru. We plan on going through Icon's pilot course and learning the ways of an amphibian.
I"ve never experienced a water landing so this will be another experience crossed of the bucket list for these two old timers.

I know next to nothing about light sport regulations or whats changed in the industry lately so I thought this might be a fun and informative forum to join.
I see there's a forum for questions directed to an examiner so that will be my second posting. It seems there are a lot of confused people ( including professionals) out there offering conflicting views in regards to regulations and training. I'm betting that this forum will be full of knowledgeable folks willing to share accurate info.
Anyone out there near Mendocino county Ca. ? We'll be based in Napa but will be in Mendocino and Sonoma county often. Hope to meet some of you.
regards
Jess]]>
no_email@example.com (jessde) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53690#p53690 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:54:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53690#p53690
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53691#p53691
If your FAA medical was in force at any time since 7/15/2006, you can fly under the new Basic Med by having a physical from your regular MD using an FAA checklist. This physical needs to be updated every 4 years. You also need to take an on-line course every 2 years, I think. Anyway, under Basic Med, you are not under the Sport Pilot restrictions and can fly almost any aircraft you want with most, if not all, of your Private Pilot privileges.

You will need to get a Sport Pilot seaplane rating added to your Private Pilot certificate. It is easy and fun. I got mine at Jack Brown's seaplane base in Florida over two days. That included a total of about 5 hours flight time (no written) including the flight check. For a Sport Pilot add-on, you take instruction from one CFI and a flight check with another CFI. I suspect you will be able to obtain that at the ICON training location.

Of course, you will also need a flight review. That must be in an airplane for which you are currently rated. I suggest you get that before going to ICON. You can do that in a Cessna or some other aircraft. You won't need a current medical since the CFI will be PIC because you can't be PIC without a current flight review or current medical, or Basic Med.

About 5 years ago, I got back into flying after a 7 year absence. I was able to get a flight review in a C172 including 1 hour ground and 1 hour flight. I didn't have a medical at the time (still don't), so I immediately got a 2 1/2 hour transition checkout in a Cessna SkyCatcher (LSA) and have been flying that ever since.

You're in for a real treat flying that A5. I've never even seen one, but landing on the water is a lot of fun.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53691#p53691 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:37:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53691#p53691
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53692#p53692
Welcome from North Carolina and congrats on flying again. I'm new here, too! Purchased the Vagabond that I will be flying under Sport Pilot rules. There's many knowledgeable folks here that can answer questions.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53692#p53692 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:24:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53692#p53692
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by jessde]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53738#p53738
And thanks Tim for the welcome and the info.
I'll schedule a fight review as you suggested and will likely go for the 3rd class medical while I can still pass it.
Now to see if I can locate the on line ground class. :D

Thanks again for taking the time to set me going in the right direction.
Jess]]>
no_email@example.com (jessde) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53738#p53738 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:27:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53738#p53738
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53741#p53741 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53741#p53741 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:52:44 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53741#p53741 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53742#p53742
jessde wrote:Thanks for the welcome Bill and hope you enjoy the vagabond. Any photos?

Jess


Jess,

This Vag has a C85 engine, no electrical system and having plenty of fun flying the Vag. Piper built it out of many J3 Cub parts, SBS shorter fuselage, and clipped Cub wings. Very responsive ailerons, elevator and rudder. With the C85 engine it climbs at 900FPM solo, full fuel, at 80F.

My last 2nd class medical expired November 2006, had a BasicMed exam a year ago, but not planning to get another FAA Medical or BasicMed exam since the Vag can be flown under Light Sport rules.

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no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53742#p53742 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:41:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53742#p53742
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53743#p53743 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53743#p53743 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:40:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53743#p53743 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53744#p53744
rideandfly wrote:
jessde wrote:Thanks for the welcome Bill and hope you enjoy the vagabond. Any photos?

Jess


Jess,

This Vag has a C85 engine, no electrical system and having plenty of fun flying the Vag. Piper built it out of many J3 Cub parts, SBS shorter fuselage, and clipped Cub wings. Very responsive ailerons, elevator and rudder. With the C85 engine it climbs at 900FPM solo, full fuel, at 80F.

My last 2nd class medical expired November 2006, had a BasicMed exam a year ago, but not planning to get another FAA Medical or BasicMed exam since the Vag can be flown under Light Sport rules.

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Bill, I suggest you keep up with Basic Med. You should have physicals more often anyway, so it's just the on-line course to do. You never know what the future may bring and you may want to fly a non-LSA. Where in NC is your plane? I'll be up there for the next two weeks.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53744#p53744 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:46:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53744#p53744
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53745#p53745 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53745#p53745 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:51:12 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53745#p53745 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53746#p53746
TimTaylor wrote:I see it's at Laneys. I'll be in Lincolnton for 2 weeks. Lets get together for lunch or something.


Small world, but FastEddie says he still would not want to paint it! :) We bought a ceiling fan at Lincolnton today that looks like an airplane propeller!

Will PM contact information.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53746#p53746 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:55:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53746#p53746
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53748#p53748 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53748#p53748 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:43:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53748#p53748 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53749#p53749
TimTaylor wrote:What a freaking small world.


Good talking with you and looking forward to lunch!]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53749#p53749 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:54:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53749#p53749
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: hello from N. Ca. .....flying again :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53751#p53751
Here's a FAA brochure about Sport Pilot Rules, in case you have not seen it:

https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificat ... ochure.pdf]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53751#p53751 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:59:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5212&p=53751#p53751
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Dream plane :: Reply by av8rshane]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2948&p=53367#p53367
craigv wrote:My plane is an Aerospool Dynamic WT9 built in Slovakia. Here's a Wiki link to get an idea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospool_WT9_Dynamic
I bought it used last November and had to do some work on it although not the airframe. It's much more popular in Europe where it often has retractable gear. Mine is an LSA and so isn't retract of course.

The weight is 670 pounds as shown by the official paperwork when it was bought. Wiki shows it as 660 pounds in non-retractable and no parachute. I'm 6'3", 220# and this is VERY comfortable for me.

I decided I wanted to set this up for economical touring so Wide Open Throttle is about 5400 RPM, replaced the Sensinich Prop with a Duc (gained 12 MPH) and a couple other things. What might have made the biggest difference in economy was this 912 ULS has manual fuel mixture (and standard carbs).

Today I flew back from Albuquerque to the San Francisco Bay Area (KAEG-KLVK, about 950 SM) and so was recording more of this information. Typically when I fly a distance I go to about 9500' and lean out the engine above 6000'. Flying to Albuquerque last week took two days due to the turbulence. So over two days including warming up the engine, take offs landings, etc., I flew at either 9500' or 11,500' (crossed the Techachapi's by Bakersfield and the Rockies at Flagstaff.). 4850-4900 RPM, 111-115 KTAS and 3.8 GPH.

Earlier this year I did a trip to the Tucson, AZ area (730 SM, KLVK-KAVQ) and kept it nailed at 4850 RPM as best I could. Again, including engine warm ups and everything...the total of all gas used to refill the gas tanks. 4850 RPM, 111 KTAS, 3.49 GPH.

The MTOW here in the US is 1212 pounds. The exact same aircraft in most of Europe is 600 KG or 1323 pounds. In the UK they made changes to fit under the 450 KG Microlight limitation. I don't remember what countries but some have a 1450 pound limitation for the exact same aircraft. This is a very robust, amazing handling beauty.
Sorry for the long commercial.


Hey craig i’m buying a wt9 right now!! when i get it i’d love to meet up!!! Where are you located? hope to meet soon.]]>
no_email@example.com (av8rshane) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2948&p=53367#p53367 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:55:45 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2948&p=53367#p53367
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Headsets :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5192&p=53371#p53371
On another unrelated note, powerline patrol = super low, super slow and super uncoordinated. Almost felt like everything your not supposed to do wrapped into one bad maneuver.]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5192&p=53371#p53371 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 00:17:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5192&p=53371#p53371
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Author Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53380#p53380
It literally looks like the front upper leg separated clean at the welding point without any other damage whatsoever up or down the landing gear.
There was no dramatic landing or frankly any particular precipitating landing event that I can think of - after an uneventful flight I simply noticed a bit more play in the front gear and subsequently discovered the issue.

I have no idea what happened and given that there is no other damage anywhere and the leg was being held firm by the lower attachment assembly, I am thinking this was some kind of issue with the original weld and after 300+ landings it finally gave out.

I got the replacement part ordered ( $480 + shipping ) and it will be here in about a week , so ultimately not that big of a deal but still, I got lucky that I caught this issue early on before the subsequent failure of the lower attachment ( which would eventually fail without the upper support ) - it kind of underscores the fact that anything can happen and importance of preflight inspections.

Here is how the part supposed to look ( with the weld highlighted - factory picture ) - firewall side view with lower attachment assembly.

LegLocation.jpeg


And here how it failed on my plane - inside cockpit view

Leg2.jpeg



Interestingly, I got a few pictures from about 3 or 4 months ago of that strut that were taken for different purpose… to me it looks like the weld was already developing a crack.

strut1_June..jpg

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no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53380#p53380 Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:24:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53380#p53380
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53381#p53381 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53381#p53381 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 07:45:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53381#p53381 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53382#p53382
It is interesting... I would not expect cracking or failure from a part that doesn't suffer from hot cold cycling like exhaust systems do.

Did the factory express any interest in examining the part? I would have if I had my name on it :D Actually we did have to stamp our identifier on every weld where I worked.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53382#p53382 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:06:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53382#p53382
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53383#p53383 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53383#p53383 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 18:05:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53383#p53383 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53384#p53384 As far as hard landings, I am sure these didn’t help and I had a few firmer ones myself but nothing really bad that would warrant this.
I actually have talked to a few Sting owners ( including Rich of Sting Flight who had a very hard landing at Lake Tahoe a few years back ) and all of them indicated completely different pattern of failure related to either hard or side loaded landings.
It is all about bending/crushing damage at certain points ( indicated by the arrows) which to me kind of makes sense - I always inspect the gear looking for any signs of slow, progressing , landing induced failure, like stuff slowly bending etc ...

parts.jpg


Anyway, my personal theory is that this is more related to takeoffs because, ever since I bought the plane , I always had this nasty front gear rattle with every takeoff – I was told at SportAir that it was related to unbalanced front wheel but I could never get anyone to balance that wheel to get rid of it.
To me , the clean break on this weld looks like some kind of vibration induced failure ( combined with a weak weld to begin with ) – I am gonna make sure that when we start replacing the strut , will check every bolt and nut and see if we can find anything loose ( this stuff is very hard to get otherwise as it is hidden deep in the cockpit side of the firewall)

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no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53384#p53384 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 18:52:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53384#p53384
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53385#p53385 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53385#p53385 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:37:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53385#p53385 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53386#p53386 https://youtu.be/ZO0h8bh9JVQ
:D]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53386#p53386 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:51:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53386#p53386
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53387#p53387 :mrgreen:]]> no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53387#p53387 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:52:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53387#p53387 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53388#p53388
ShawnM wrote:TL Ultralight? Who? Were there airplanes in that video? All I saw were boobs! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Yeah, their booths at European aircraft shows are like ...really odd mix of high end , carbon fiber manufacturing themes ....and a cheap Titty Twister style go-go club ( but unlike the namesake in the movie, with crappy music ) .. whatever works ..]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53388#p53388 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:37:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53388#p53388
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53389#p53389 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53389#p53389 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:21:18 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53389#p53389 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53390#p53390

But I took the other one down - I guess anyone can look up for themselves what a Titty Twister bar theme looks like ( the music themes in that bar was awesome though )]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53390#p53390 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:29:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53390#p53390
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Front gear failure - Sting S4 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53391#p53391 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53391#p53391 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:40:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5195&p=53391#p53391 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Ready for winter flying :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53618#p53618
Warmi, Excellent shot!

Agree, use tape to raise oil temp, trying some 2" white electrical tape.

The Vag does not have a VSI, will time a climb to see how it's climbing in the cooler weather.

Set up a pre-heater rig, will see how it works soon:

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no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53618#p53618 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 16:41:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53618#p53618
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Ready for winter flying :: Reply by Riggson]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53801#p53801 no_email@example.com (Riggson) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53801#p53801 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:39:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53801#p53801 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Ready for winter flying :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53803#p53803
https://www.harborfreight.com/2000-watt ... 62523.html]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53803#p53803 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:11:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53803#p53803
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Ready for winter flying :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53804#p53804
Riggson wrote:Did you have a chance to try that Honda EU2000 yet, Rideandfly? Are you satisfied with it?


Happy with the Honda, been using it a few years camping. Tested it with the pre-heater and it works fine, too. Pre-heater is rated for a maximum draw of 1500W. The Honda gen-set is rated for a continuous output of up to 1600W.

Use the Honda 2000 running a 13.5K Dometic AC unit on a camper. Installed a Micro-Air EZ start on the AC so the gen-set would start the AC compressor. Latest Honda available is a 2200 unit.

chicagorandy wrote:I have had quite a bit of jobsite use with the Harbor Freight Predator 2000 (basically a 1/2 priced clone of the terrific Honda machine) and it has proven itself worthy.

https://www.harborfreight.com/2000-watt ... 62523.html



Many folks use the Predator, understand it's a fine unit, too.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53804#p53804 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:44:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5191&p=53804#p53804
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by JJay]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53372#p53372
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: I drive an hour from Roswell, GA to Gainesville, GA to rent a Cessna SkyCatcher.


FWIW, I drive 45 minutes each way to get to the LSA I own.


60 minutes each way for me.]]>
no_email@example.com (JJay) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53372#p53372 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:03:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53372#p53372
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53373#p53373
TimTaylor wrote:
Don't answer those questions here, but as an example...if you think you might not pass a 3rd class medical, then Private Pilot is out of the question, at least for now (unless you held a valid medical anytime after 7/14/16).

Tim, did you mean to say 7/14/06?]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53373#p53373 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:15:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53373#p53373
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53374#p53374
Scooper wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
Don't answer those questions here, but as an example...if you think you might not pass a 3rd class medical, then Private Pilot is out of the question, at least for now (unless you held a valid medical anytime after 7/14/16).

Tim, did you mean to say 7/14/06?

Yes, you are correct. Thanks.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53374#p53374 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:05:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53374#p53374
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53375#p53375
TimTaylor wrote:There are a lot of variables for you to consider:

How sure are you that you want to get a pilot's certificate and take up flying as a hobby?
Can you pass an FAA 3rd class physical?
How heavy are you and your potential passenger?
What is your flying budget?

Don't answer those questions here, but as an example...if you think you might not pass a 3rd class medical, then Private Pilot is out of the question, at least for now (unless you held a valid medical anytime after 7/14/16). That leads you to Sport Pilot. If you can't find an LSA to rent, then maybe you should purchase an LSA. A pretty good used LSA can be had for around $60,000. A new LSA can be had for $125,000 or more.

I've always thought you should not purchase an airplane unless your flying budget is $1,000 per month or more. This is especially true for LSA because most are fiberglass and need to be kept in a hanger. Less than $1,000 per month and fixed cost will use up most of your flying budget.

Since the LSA weight limit is 1320 pounds, some LSA have a somewhat limited useful load for pilot, passenger, fuel, and baggage. If you and your passenger are heavy, as most of us are, this will limit your choice of aircraft somewhat. Rotax engines are significantly lighter than Continental, so a Rotax powered LSA solves this issue for most people.

Anyway, good luck with your flying endeavor, and don't get deterred. Just do it.


Correction. I should have said 7/14/06. Mine expired 5/31/06. Bummer.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53375#p53375 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:06:22 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53375#p53375
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by RBearden56]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53402#p53402

Now for my complaint section, the FAA has done it again! if you have installed ADS-B since the old rebate expired and the new one began you are out of luck. Lesson learned, don't be proactive and do the right thing. Instead we should sit one our tails and wait until they are desperate to get this done and offer some form of rebate. It was not cheap to purchase and install ADS-B in and out in by light sport so any rebate would have been appreciated. Silly me, I thought the FAA would appreciate someone getting this done before the deadline. :x

Thank for reading,
R Bearden
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no_email@example.com (RBearden56) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53402#p53402 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:04:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53402#p53402
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by RBearden56]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53403#p53403
R Bearden]]>
no_email@example.com (RBearden56) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53403#p53403 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:17:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53403#p53403
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53404#p53404 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53404#p53404 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:23:55 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53404#p53404 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53408#p53408
RBearden56 wrote:Any aircraft can be registered as experimental and as an experimental Part 43 states that anyone can maintain, modify the aircrafet.


A standard category aircraft can only be taken Experimental for very specific and very limited uses.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53408#p53408 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:55:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53408#p53408
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53409#p53409 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53409#p53409 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 23:34:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53409#p53409 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53410#p53410 https://aviation.stackexchange.com/ques ... l-aircraft]]> no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53410#p53410 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 23:26:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53410#p53410 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53411#p53411
TimTaylor wrote:https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/29210/what-is-the-procedure-to-turn-a-certified-aircraft-into-an-experimental-aircraft


Nice, comprehensive link that expands on what I was trying to say. Thanks.

I feel very fortunate that the FAA carved out an exception for Special Light Sport that does make the conversion to Experimental Light Sport straightforward, and barely restricts usage at all, the most important being it can’t be used for rental or flight instruction. Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53411#p53411 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:50:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53411#p53411
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53412#p53412
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.


Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53412#p53412 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:01:50 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53412#p53412
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53414#p53414
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.


Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.


A fine but fair point. Thanks.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53414#p53414 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:36:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53414#p53414
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53415#p53415
FastEddieB wrote:
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:Except flight instruction given to the owner, I believe.


Eddie,
My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.


A fine but fair point. Thanks.


I think I just saw something in the news about the FAA changing their stance on this. Some ELSA will be allowed to do flight training for hire.

http://inspire.eaa.org/2018/10/25/faa-r ... BIZUZQKyJ9]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53415#p53415 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:47:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53415#p53415
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53416#p53416
drseti wrote:My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.

That’s an excellent point.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53416#p53416 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:28:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53416#p53416
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53417#p53417
3Dreaming wrote:I think I just saw something in the news about the FAA changing their stance on this. Some ELSA will be allowed to do flight training for hire.


The FAA has long issued Letters of Deviation Authority in special cases. This is necessary, for example, to provide gyroplane instruction, since there are no SLSA gyros.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53417#p53417 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:50:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53417#p53417
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by smutny]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53419#p53419
drseti wrote:
FastEddieB wrote:My impression is that a CFI can give flight instruction to anyone in an ELSA. We just can't charge for it, or for the use of the plane.


But a CFI can give flight instruction to a client that owns an experimental plane and charge for services.]]>
no_email@example.com (smutny) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53419#p53419 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:58:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53419#p53419
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: 3600 lbs gross for LSA ? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53420#p53420
smutny wrote:
But a CFI can give flight instruction to a client that owns an experimental plane and charge for services.


Yes. I meant to imply that in the way I phrased my post.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53420#p53420 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 12:03:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5184&p=53420#p53420
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53405#p53405
RBearden56 wrote:Fo $50,000 you can do a lot better than the 162. The E-LSA are better equipped and more affordable. If you have good mechanical skills and willing to learn then LSRM and LSRI certs will save you a tone of money over the life of you aircraft present and future. I have seen a Lighting LS1 for $50,000 on Trade a Plane and it is beautiful. Better airframe, interior, and engine than any Cessna 162. Or look at Rotax powered aircraft, lighter than the continentals and dependable with a huge owner base and support.
I bought my Allegro 2000 E-LSA with very good avionics and low hours and the lower cost of ownership made this a bargain.
Good luck on you search and let us know what you get.
Randy Bearden

This is all a matter of opinion, much of which I don't agree with. For instance, how is an E-LSA better equipped than an S-LSA? It's only better equipped if someone chose to add more equipment. As far as I am concerned, most S-LSA are over-equipped for VFR daytime only flight.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53405#p53405 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:34:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53405#p53405
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53406#p53406
TimTaylor wrote:
RBearden56 wrote:Fo $50,000 you can do a lot better than the 162. The E-LSA are better equipped and more affordable. If you have good mechanical skills and willing to learn then LSRM and LSRI certs will save you a tone of money over the life of you aircraft present and future. I have seen a Lighting LS1 for $50,000 on Trade a Plane and it is beautiful. Better airframe, interior, and engine than any Cessna 162. Or look at Rotax powered aircraft, lighter than the continentals and dependable with a huge owner base and support.
I bought my Allegro 2000 E-LSA with very good avionics and low hours and the lower cost of ownership made this a bargain.
Good luck on you search and let us know what you get.
Randy Bearden

This is all a matter of opinion, much of which I don't agree with. For instance, how is an E-LSA better equipped than an S-LSA? It's only better equipped if someone chose to add more equipment. As far as I am concerned, most S-LSA are over-equipped for VFR daytime only flight.


The problem is that with some manufacturers , it is impossible to get LOAs for anything that is not installed on factory planes ( I.e Sportcruisers) - in that case it makes a lot of difference since going ELSA is the only way to install other equipment.
If the manufacturer ( like for instance TL Ultralight ) issues a more less blanket LOAs for just about every piece of avionics out there, then as Tim pointed out, it doesn’t matter as it becomes just a matter of choice ( and money )

Now with ELSAs you can also save a lot of money if you decided to add avionics yourself later on and you have prerequisite training as you can do that youserlf - with LSAs your only option is to either pay someone or take 2 weeks long , $4000 class ..]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53406#p53406 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:55:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53406#p53406
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53407#p53407 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53407#p53407 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:08:01 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53407#p53407 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53413#p53413
TimTaylor wrote:I would be happy with an LSA equipped with needle, ball, and airspeed, engine instruments, comm radio, and transponder with ADS-B out. More than that is a waste of money and extra weight, IMHO.


As an aside, that’s how I thought I wanted my Sky Arrow equipped. Turns out the Dynon D10A that came with the package was cheaper than going with steam gauges, and almost certain lighter as well.

But I also perceive many Light Sports as “glided lilies”. THREE screens? REALLY? But who am I to judge, and the market seems to favor lots of glass.

As a further aside, I use my steam airspeed and altimeter and physical inclinometer ball almost exclusively over the Dynon PFD. Basically, the Dynon is handy for computing TAS ad DA once I feed in the OAT, and is there in an emergency as an attitude indicator to help keep the dirty side down. But with conservative planning, I have not even come close to blundering into IMC in about 11 years and 530 hours.

This panel can easily take me anywhere I want to go!

Image]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53413#p53413 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:03:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53413#p53413
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53421#p53421
FastEddieB wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:I would be happy with an LSA equipped with needle, ball, and airspeed, engine instruments, comm radio, and transponder with ADS-B out. More than that is a waste of money and extra weight, IMHO.


As an aside, that’s how I thought I wanted my Sky Arrow equipped. Turns out the Dynon D10A that came with the package was cheaper than going with steam gauges, and almost certain lighter as well.

But I also perceive many Light Sports as “glided lilies”. THREE screens? REALLY? But who am I to judge, and the market seems to favor lots of glass.

As a further aside, I use my steam airspeed and altimeter and physical inclinometer ball almost exclusively over the Dynon PFD. Basically, the Dynon is handy for computing TAS ad DA once I feed in the OAT, and is there in an emergency as an attitude indicator to help keep the dirty side down. But with conservative planning, I have not even come close to blundering into IMC in about 11 years and 530 hours.

This panel can easily take me anywhere I want to go!

Image


Eddie, your panel is not much more that what I would want. My iPad Mini 4 running iFly GPS, now with AHRS, gives me most, but not all, that you get with the Dynon and Garmin. If I owned my own airplane, I would probably figure out a way to mount my Surface Pro 4 as the display.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53421#p53421 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 12:34:11 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53421#p53421
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53422#p53422 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53422#p53422 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:31:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53422#p53422 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53426#p53426 https://www.dropbox.com/s/b61mevbldo3nci4/Screenshot%20%2816%29.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hqlhpp0490ox0wn/Screenshot%20%2815%29.jpg?dl=0

Will someone please remind me how to post images? I don't know why I have such a difficult time doing that.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53426#p53426 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:08:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53426#p53426
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53428#p53428
First is to click on Attachments if you want to use pictures from your own PC followed by Add files:

example 1.jpg

example 2.jpg


Then Place inline at your cursor position:
example 3.jpg


It only lets you do 3 pics so plan ahead... I'll post some examples later of how to post from online.

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no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53428#p53428 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:03:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53428#p53428
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53429#p53429
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no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53429#p53429 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:17:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53429#p53429
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53431#p53431

If only there was a way to extract serial data from those devices to drive an autopilot then you'd be on to something. 8)]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53431#p53431 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:23:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53431#p53431
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53432#p53432
ShawnM wrote:Great pics Tim, looks as good as any modern glass cockpit for thousands less. :mrgreen:

If only there was a way to extract serial data from those devices to drive an autopilot then you'd be on to something. 8)


What’s even more ironic is that your average iPad is much more powerful ( as far as GPU/CPU is concerned) than anything you will find in the latest Dynons or Garmin.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53432#p53432 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:27:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53432#p53432
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53433#p53433 no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53433#p53433 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:16:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53433#p53433 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53434#p53434
ShawnM wrote:Great pics Tim, looks as good as any modern glass cockpit for thousands less. :mrgreen:

If only there was a way to extract serial data from those devices to drive an autopilot then you'd be on to something. 8)

Autopilot? What's that? The iFly 740 can drive an autopilot. I'm not sure about the other iFly devices.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53434#p53434 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:28:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53434#p53434
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53435#p53435
FastEddieB wrote:A bit off topic, but new iPads expected to be announced at tomorrow’s Apple event (1PM EDT)


Great, I could use a pop in Apple's stock. Then I could buy one of those new iPads. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53435#p53435 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:45:39 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53435#p53435
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53436#p53436
TimTaylor wrote:
ShawnM wrote:Great pics Tim, looks as good as any modern glass cockpit for thousands less. :mrgreen:

If only there was a way to extract serial data from those devices to drive an autopilot then you'd be on to something. 8)

Autopilot? What's that? The iFly 740 can drive an autopilot. I'm not sure about the other iFly devices.


It's that button on my panel that I press and the plane flies itself to my destination, it's better than sliced bread. :mrgreen: It got me to and from Sebring this morning for my annual supplies. (ie, oil, filter and plugs)

I'm sure the iFly can but I'm talking about a surface tablet or iPad driving an autopilot. There are already engine monitoring systems based on the Arduino/Atmel board that can bluetooth engine data to any tablet. This is your EMS. Couple this with Foreflight and its AHRS display with the moving map on a tablet and you have a full fledged glass cockpit for under $1000 for an experimental aircraft.

I know many old timers who simply want steam gauges and a yoke...........yawn. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53436#p53436 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:02:12 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53436#p53436
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53439#p53439 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53439#p53439 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:41:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53439#p53439 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53440#p53440 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53440#p53440 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:17:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53440#p53440 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Looking for next plane - is a C162 a good option :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53441#p53441
TimTaylor wrote:I'm not sure what bluetooth you are referring to. My iPad is connected to my Stratux via WIFI. For daytime, VFR there is NO issue. I think the iFly units are hard wired for autopilot connectivity. Andy might weigh in on that. He recently installed an iFly 740 in his CTSW.


Yup, I get that. Many aftermarket device that connect wirelessly are either wifi or bluetooth. I was just using the EMS module that I was referring to as an example. My GDL-39 3D is hardwired to my Aera 660 but does connect to my iPad and iPhone via bluetooth.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53441#p53441 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:02:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4704&p=53441#p53441
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Your Callsign--How do you announce yourself? :: Reply by ryoder]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=53534#p53534
I got a hit for calling a 172SP a Cessna before and they wanted to know I was a Skyhawk while on flight following as Cessna could be anything.]]>
no_email@example.com (ryoder) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=53534#p53534 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:04:36 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2966&p=53534#p53534
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53453#p53453 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53453#p53453 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 16:46:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53453#p53453 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53455#p53455
Or are you referring to full fuel useful load?]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53455#p53455 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:08:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53455#p53455
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53456#p53456
And if you want to be really precise, I think the usable fuel difference is only 3 gallons or 18 pounds. That means if you load both with 24 gallons, the difference in allowable weight for pilot, passenger, and baggage would be 27 pounds.

THE POINT IS, while the Vashon seems really weight challenged, it's not that much different than the SkyCatcher, which is only somewhat weight challenged.

https://vashonaircraft.com/ranger-r7-specs.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_162_Skycatcher

Regardless, the Ranger works for me as does the SkyCatcher.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53456#p53456 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:20:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53456#p53456
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53457#p53457
My Sky Arrow Empty Weight is around 860 lbs., so I’m aware of the juggling of fuel and passengers to remain under 1,320 lbs.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53457#p53457 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:05:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53457#p53457
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53458#p53458 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53458#p53458 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:26:47 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53458#p53458 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53459#p53459
I reckon the Vashon makes for a pretty sweet single passenger modern airplane.]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53459#p53459 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:39:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53459#p53459
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53460#p53460
Also, the $99,500 price tag. :D]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53460#p53460 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:47:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53460#p53460
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53461#p53461 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53461#p53461 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:45:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53461#p53461 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53462#p53462 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53462#p53462 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:58:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53462#p53462 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53463#p53463
TimTaylor wrote:Useful load of SkyCatcher is 490. Useful load of Ranger is 445. Those are allowable weights for pilot, passenger, usable fuel, and baggage. SkyCatcher carries 24 gallons. Ranger 28 gallons. Difference is 4 gallons or 24 pounds at 6 pounds per gallons. Difference in useful load is 45 pounds. So, if someone were to load only 24 gallons on the Ranger, the 45 pound difference for pilot, passenger, and baggage is only 21 pounds.

And if you want to be really precise, I think the usable fuel difference is only 3 gallons or 18 pounds. That means if you load both with 24 gallons, the difference in allowable weight for pilot, passenger, and baggage would be 27 pounds.

THE POINT IS, while the Vashon seems really weight challenged, it's not that much different than the SkyCatcher, which is only somewhat weight challenged.

https://vashonaircraft.com/ranger-r7-specs.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_162_Skycatcher

Regardless, the Ranger works for me as does the SkyCatcher.


If you put equal amounts of fuel in each airplane the difference in what you can carry will still be 45 pounds. If you put full fuel in both, the difference in what you can carry goes up from 45 pounds to 69 pounds. this is based on the numbers you posted, I didn't check the links.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53463#p53463 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:58:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53463#p53463
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53464#p53464
The Ranger useful load is 445 pounds. If I put full fuel at 27 gallons (usable), that's 162 pound of fuel. That means I can put 283 pounds of pilot, passenger, and baggage. That's 63 pounds less than SkyCatcher.

However, if I put 24 gallons in the Ranger, that's 144 pounds of fuel. That means I can put 301 pounds of pilot, passenger, and baggage. That's 45 pounds less than the SkyCatcher, which is the difference in empty weight, of course.

So, I guess I made a math error. To carry the same 346 pounds of pilot, passenger, and baggage as the SkyCatcher, I would put 16.5 gallons in the Ranger. That's 99 pounds of fuel.

I'm not sure why I get two different answers depending on how I calculate this. Somehow, I was counting the 3 gallons twice. There's an error somewhere in my earlier calculation, but the point remains the same. The Ranger is a very viable airplane for my missions.

Bottom line, the Ranger's empty weight is 45 pounds heavier than the SkyCatcher. So it can carry 45 pounds less pilot, passenger, fuel, and baggage. However, for single pilot operation, the Ranger's usable fuel in 3 more gallons for 1/2 hour more endurance (about 4.5 hours vs 4.0 hours).]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53464#p53464 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:06:27 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53464#p53464
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53465#p53465
It’s amazing what you can make work out and still stay legal if you have a mind to.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53465#p53465 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 21:09:19 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53465#p53465
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53466#p53466 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53466#p53466 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 21:35:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53466#p53466 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53467#p53467
FastEddieB wrote:Fuel weight is normally part of useful load, right?


Actually, useful load is defined as max gross minus empty weight. And useful load minus full fuel weight is called payload. That definition assumes that you don't get paid for hauling fuel (unless, of course, you're a tanker pilot).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53467#p53467 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 22:30:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53467#p53467
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53468#p53468
TimTaylor wrote:If I was designing an LSA, I would try to make the fuel tanks large enough that a single pilot, no passenger, no baggage, and full fuel weigh 1320 pounds. Keeping the CG within limits might be the biggest difficulty in design. You could put an auxiliary fuel tank under the passenger seat for use with no passenger on board.


Or make the passenger seat hollow so it would actually be an auxiliary fuel tank. That wouldn't be dangerous at all. :shock:]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53468#p53468 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 23:04:13 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53468#p53468
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53469#p53469

The early SportCruisers were light, the new ones are a few pounds shy of max BEW for a LSA like the Ranger is. With heavy aircraft there's always a trade off, fuel in return for whatever else you want to bring. For training and short flights the Ranger might be a very good option.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53469#p53469 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 23:24:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53469#p53469
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53471#p53471 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53471#p53471 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 23:44:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53471#p53471 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53472#p53472
TimTaylor wrote:I just received another update email from Vashon. If I was ready to purchase another airplane, I would order the basic Ranger today for $99,500. It is the perfect airplane for me (all metal, Continental engine). The 445 pound useful load is 45 pounds less than a SkyCatcher but that includes 28 gallons of fuel vs 24 in the SkyCatcher. Leave out 4 gallons and the Ranger is only 20 pounds less useful load than the SkyCatcher. The basic version includes auto pilot and pilot side glass panel. That is all I want. I'll put my iPad on the right side.

I guess my original analysis was bogus and that's what Eddie was getting at. I should have simply said the Ranger weighs 45 pounds more and therefore has a useful load 45 pounds less than the SkyCatcher. That's equivalent to 7.5 gallons of fuel.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53472#p53472 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 23:48:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53472#p53472
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53473#p53473 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53473#p53473 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 01:00:20 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53473#p53473 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53475#p53475 "

As a near 70yr old geezer with limited means, I admit that's the first time I've seen a smiley following a $100K price tag - lol - good on ya' mate!]]>
no_email@example.com (chicagorandy) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53475#p53475 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53475#p53475
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53476#p53476
chicagorandy wrote:"Also, the $99,500 price tag. :D "

As a near 70yr old geezer with limited means, I admit that's the first time I've seen a smiley following a $100K price tag - lol - good on ya' mate!

I'll be 71 in December. That's a lot of money, but not for a brand new LSA.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53476#p53476 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 12:39:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53476#p53476
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53478#p53478
I think I am going to place an order. Why not? By the time my order moves to production, my ship will probably have arrived and my flying budget will be $1,000 per month. I already have the cash to purchase the airplane. I just need to make sure my wife is fixed for life because I don't expect to be here for too many more years. We'll see.

If my ONC can send $250,000 cash to Tesla for their new Roadster due out in 2020, I think I can send $5,000 to Vashon. The obvious risk is they go under before I get my airplane.

Vashon has already done the testing to certify the current Ranger for an additional 100 pounds when and if the LSA weight limit is increased.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53478#p53478 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 15:12:57 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53478#p53478
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53479#p53479
Looking forward to seeing it!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53479#p53479 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 15:35:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53479#p53479
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53481#p53481 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53481#p53481 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 16:21:11 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53481#p53481 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Type47]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53482#p53482 See at http://www.epi-eng.com/aircraft_engine_ ... engine.htm.
Test runs are on youtube.
Absolute game changer if true.]]>
no_email@example.com (Type47) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53482#p53482 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 16:41:06 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53482#p53482
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53483#p53483
EDIT: I just did some scenarios with 100 pounds of baggage (assumes I lose 23 pounds) and even with that, I didn't exceed the rear CG limit with all the baggage in the aft baggage area until I used about 10 gallons of fuel. If I put 50 pounds in the baggage area and 50 pounds in the aft baggage area, I don't exceed aft CG even with zero usable fuel in the tanks.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53483#p53483 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 16:44:44 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53483#p53483
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53485#p53485
TimTaylor wrote:Just checked CG with just me and 77 pounds baggage. Not a problem even if loaded in the aft baggage area.

EDIT: I just did some scenarios with 100 pounds of baggage (assumes I lose 23 pounds) and even with that, I didn't exceed the rear CG limit with all the baggage in the aft baggage area until I used about 10 gallons of fuel. If I put 50 pounds in the baggage area and 50 pounds in the aft baggage area, I don't exceed aft CG even with zero usable fuel in the tanks.


EDIT 2: At my current weight of 200 pounds and with 77 pounds of baggage in the aft baggage area, I don't exceed the reward CG all the way down to zero usable fuel. So, as long as I don't go over 1320 pounds total, there is no way I can get out of CG. That's good to know.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53485#p53485 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:06:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53485#p53485
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53487#p53487
Type47 wrote:Word on the street is that there is a new clean sheet engine being designed for this aircraft. Supposedly 30% more power and half the price. Possibly called “Olga”?
See at http://www.epi-eng.com/aircraft_engine_ ... engine.htm.
Test runs are on youtube.
Absolute game changer if true.


Wouldn't surprise me if it's true.

I know EPI and Jack Kane well. I was working with them back when I owned my Rotorway experimental helicopter between 2007 to 2009. I was converting it with a Solar turbine engine and EPI was designing a gearbox for the turbine. His company is nothing short of amazing in what they do. Being that Vashon and EPI are both in Washington state about 200 miles apart this "marriage" so to speak makes sense if it's true. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53487#p53487 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:32:46 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53487#p53487
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53489#p53489 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53489#p53489 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:15:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53489#p53489 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53490#p53490 ]]> no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53490#p53490 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:19:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53490#p53490 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53491#p53491
dstclair wrote:Hey -- the big advantage is the new engine is projected to be 13lbs lighter than an O-200D :D

Is that enough to get excited about? As usual, I have developed cold feet. Not sure if I'm going to mail my check or not. Stay tuned. This happens everytime I try to buy something expensive. My practical/prudent self gets in an argument with my emotional self. :?]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53491#p53491 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:26:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53491#p53491
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53492#p53492 no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53492#p53492 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:42:34 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53492#p53492 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53493#p53493 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53493#p53493 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:48:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53493#p53493 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Type47]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53494#p53494
Warmi wrote:The price of an aircraft engine is so high because with such small quantities being sold, the only way to recover the cost ( and hopefully make a profit ) is to jack up the price - so I am not sure how can they offer a new engine at half the price unless it is some kind of automotive conversion or their R&D budget was tiny to begin with ....

John Torode, the Founder of Dynon and the driving force/money behind the Ranger, is obsessed with lowering the amount of labor involved in building the aircraft. If he does the same thing for engine building that he has done with the airframe, he will achieve the first real assembly-line built airplane. Up until now, all other airplanes resemble hand built prototypes. He is trying to get the price low enough to induce high sales volume. His waiting list to buy and ramping up of production with the Ranger makes it look like he will succeed.
It appears that the airplane was ready before the engine. This explains the somewhat perplexing choice of Conti engine.
Also, remember that he hasn’t been promising this airplane for 5 years while touring the world with babes and high priced productions all the while adding the costs onto the price of the promised airplane. Instead, he kept it quiet and invested in equipment and tooling until he had a real airplane to sell.]]>
no_email@example.com (Type47) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53494#p53494 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 21:08:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53494#p53494
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53495#p53495
And, it would probably happen about the time they were ready to announce a price increase, so the buyer might not see any of it.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53495#p53495 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 21:19:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53495#p53495
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53496#p53496 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53496#p53496 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 21:30:29 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53496#p53496 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53497#p53497
Warmi wrote:Yeah, send the check ... when I was buying my plane, I was going back and further on daily basis but ultimately it was the “ f*** it, I cant take any money with me when I am gone so may as well enjoy it while I am still around” argument that won the day :D

You must not have a spouse who will probably outlive you by 20 or 25 years. My wife, who turned 70 yesterday, has a mother who is 95 years old. My wife's mom has two living sisters. They live a long time.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53497#p53497 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:08:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53497#p53497
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53506#p53506
Given...

A) You still love flying, and...

B) You recognize that your flying career has a finite “shelf life”...

I would encourage you, as I have in the past, to shop for a nice, used example of a plane you enjoy flying. Since you are enamored with Continental over ROTAX, and metal over composite, the 162 fills the bill nicely.

1) It would get you in the air now, making best use of your limited time horizon.

2) A 162, or any used Light Sport for that matter, has already taken the biggest depreciation hit its likely to see.

3) You could still keep your deposit in on the Vashon, and when the time comes, sell the used plane for not a huge amount less than what you paid for it, and use those proceeds towards the Vashon.

4) With the uncertainty and volatility of today’s financial markets, it might make sense to pull some money out of equities as protection against future financial turmoil. I did so to finance most of our “pole barn” adventure.

I’m aware of the other financial considerations that weigh on you. I’m not saying they’re unimportant or should be disregarded. But as a general rule, I find people are very good at coming up with reasons not to do things. If it turns out you only have a few years of flying left, why spend even a portion of that time agonizing over your decision? I think Nike has a slogan that might fit the sentiment I am trying to convey.

The above is nothing I haven’t discussed with you in the past, but I think it bears repeating. If I can help out in any way, including flying you hither and yon to look at prospects, be sure to let me know. I would enjoy being part of the process.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53506#p53506 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 08:47:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53506#p53506
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53508#p53508
FWIW, I'm with Tim on engines; I like the Continental O-200 and am willing to take the useful load hit to have one up front.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53508#p53508 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:07:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53508#p53508
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53510#p53510
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no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53510#p53510 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:15:09 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53510#p53510
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53513#p53513
drseti wrote:A Vashon Ranger dropped in at the Piper Memorial Airport (KLHV) this week, enroute to its new owner. First time I've seen one in the flesh.


Thanks for posting the pic! What did you think of it?

I’ve yet to see one in person, but it does look like a really nice, robust aircraft at a very compelling price.]]>
no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53513#p53513 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 13:01:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53513#p53513
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53514#p53514
Buying an airplane would be an emotional decision for me. There is really no practical reason I should purchase an airplane. Also, making sure my wife is taken care of for the balance of her life is the ONLY important thing I have left to do. I will not put that at risk for my own selfish reasons. When she gets her rather large inheritance I will be in a position to know exactly where she stands with that and whatever we have left.

I agree, a used SkyCatcher makes more sense for me at this time. However, in a couple years, maybe a used C172 would make more sense. I guess I'll forgo the Ranger for now and continue renting the SkyCatcher while it's available. When something forces my hand, I'll go from there. My health at the time will also have to be a factor.

Thanks for you help.

EDIT: I should also add that the Remos GX is available to rent when we are in NC at $110 per hour and no sales tax, being out of state. It is a 30 minute drive to the airport. I call on the way and they have the plane pulled out of the hanger and fuel topped off by the time I arrive. Same with the SkyCatcher at KGVL except it's an hour drive.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53514#p53514 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 13:13:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53514#p53514
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53525#p53525
As an aside, as FastEddie would say, I drive a 2002 Tahoe with 167,000 miles. Just sayin... It gets me to the airport and back, has great A/C and still looks almost new with leather interior.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53525#p53525 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 22:21:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53525#p53525
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by Type47]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53526#p53526
RTK wrote:
drseti wrote:A Vashon Ranger dropped in at the Piper Memorial Airport (KLHV) this week, enroute to its new owner. First time I've seen one in the flesh.


Thanks for posting the pic! What did you think of it?

I’ve yet to see one in person, but it does look like a really nice, robust aircraft at a very compelling price.


I realize you weren’t talking to me, but I sat in one at Oshkosh.
Much larger in person. Truly surprising the amount of space inside.
Design is definitely utilitarion.
Finish is good.
Nice details like clips to hold doors forward so they don’t flap in the wind.]]>
no_email@example.com (Type47) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53526#p53526 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 10:37:37 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53526#p53526
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53527#p53527
Type47 wrote:
RTK wrote:
drseti wrote:A Vashon Ranger dropped in at the Piper Memorial Airport (KLHV) this week, enroute to its new owner. First time I've seen one in the flesh.


Thanks for posting the pic! What did you think of it?

I’ve yet to see one in person, but it does look like a really nice, robust aircraft at a very compelling price.


I realize you weren’t talking to me, but I sat in one at Oshkosh.
Much larger in person. Truly surprising the amount of space inside.
Design is definitely utilitarion.
Finish is good.
Nice details like clips to hold doors forward so they don’t flap in the wind.


You mean it's larger than the 5 inch image on my computer screen? :)]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53527#p53527 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:20:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53527#p53527
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: AVweb Video on Vashon Ranger + Aviation Consumer Article :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53591#p53591
TimTaylor wrote:Another new wrinkle...it looks like my wife's Sirius XM radio and navigation system may be going out in her 2015 Toyota Highlander. I have an appointment for Tuesday with Toyota to check it out, but it seems to be a common problem. If it needs a new head unit (out of warranty), I am going to trade the car for a 2019 Honda Odyssey. We have a test drive scheduled for Monday.

As an aside, as FastEddie would say, I drive a 2002 Tahoe with 167,000 miles. Just sayin... It gets me to the airport and back, has great A/C and still looks almost new with leather interior.

Traded the Highlander for a 2019 Honda Odyssey EX-L Monday. Cancelled my appointment with Toyota. Happy wife, happy life. :D]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53591#p53591 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:04:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073&p=53591#p53591
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by ryoder]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53533#p53533 no_email@example.com (ryoder) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53533#p53533 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:58:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53533#p53533 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53535#p53535
ryoder wrote:Still need a solution and I won’t go experimental yet. If I ever did go experimental I’d want to put in an O340 and a constant speed prop plus G3X touch. Haha.


Did you reach out to Cessna again? That's where your "solution" will have to come from unless you go experimental.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53535#p53535 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:05:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53535#p53535
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53539#p53539
ryoder wrote:Still need a solution and I won’t go experimental yet. If I ever did go experimental I’d want to put in an O340 and a constant speed prop plus G3X touch. Haha.


O340? Check.
G3X? Check.
Constant speed prop? Nope.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53539#p53539 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:43:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53539#p53539
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53540#p53540 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53540#p53540 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:45:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53540#p53540 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by ryoder]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53548#p53548 I know a CS prop wouldn’t classify as ELSA. Also know they need to provide the LOA. I checked their support site for SBs today and nothing new. That is where it would go when they have a solution.]]> no_email@example.com (ryoder) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53548#p53548 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:12:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53548#p53548 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53552#p53552
ryoder wrote:I’m home sick today so I think I’ll try actually calling them.
I know a CS prop wouldn’t classify as ELSA. Also know they need to provide the LOA. I checked their support site for SBs today and nothing new. That is where it would go when they have a solution.

Constant speed prop wouldn't classify as LSA period.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53552#p53552 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:37:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53552#p53552
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by ryoder]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53554#p53554 no_email@example.com (ryoder) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53554#p53554 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:01:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53554#p53554 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53555#p53555
ryoder wrote:Yeah everybody knows that.

Almost everybody.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53555#p53555 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:07:52 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53555#p53555
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53582#p53582 •Class A, B, and C airspace;
•Class E airspace at or above 10,000 feet msl, excluding airspace at and below 2,500 feet agl;
•Within 30 nautical miles of a Class B primary airport (the Mode C veil);
•Above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of Class B or Class C airspace up to 10,000 feet;
•Class E airspace over the Gulf of Mexico, at and above 3,000 feet msl, within 12 nm of the U.S. coast
So it seems to me that most Sport Pilots probably wouldn't need to comply at all, saving a ton of headaches and expense.]]>
no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53582#p53582 Wed, 07 Nov 2018 22:04:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53582#p53582
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53583#p53583
Personally, flying with Sport Pilot privileges and limitations, I fly in one or the other of those almost every time I fly.

This is and has been the ADS-B mandate since day one. Nothing has changed. Also, I prefer to get my information from the FAA regulations, not AOPA. That way, you won't lose anything in translation. I have read AOPA interpretations that were totally bogus, although what you have posted is correct.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53583#p53583 Wed, 07 Nov 2018 22:35:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53583#p53583
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53584#p53584
HAPPYDAN wrote:As I now understand the ADS-B out requirement, it is possible that many Sport Pilots may not need to comply at all. According to AOPA, ADS-B out is only required thus:
•Class A, B, and C airspace;
•Class E airspace at or above 10,000 feet msl, excluding airspace at and below 2,500 feet agl;
•Within 30 nautical miles of a Class B primary airport (the Mode C veil);
•Above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of Class B or Class C airspace up to 10,000 feet;
•Class E airspace over the Gulf of Mexico, at and above 3,000 feet msl, within 12 nm of the U.S. coast
So it seems to me that most Sport Pilots probably wouldn't need to comply at all, saving a ton of headaches and expense.


I wanted ADS-B out not because I needed to comply but because it is very useful in enhancing overall safety - especially in a place like Chicago where there is tons of traffic.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53584#p53584 Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:31:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53584#p53584
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53585#p53585
Oh, and since my home airport is inside the Tampa mode c veil I didn't have a choice. :mrgreen:

And Tim is correct, it doesn't matter what certificate you hold, it's all about airspace.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53585#p53585 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:19:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53585#p53585
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53586#p53586
ShawnM wrote:Also, flying around in Florida in the summers the storms can pop up in a second


True. Unfortunately ADS- B wx lags by several minutes, so it won't help you all that much with T-storm avoidance.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53586#p53586 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:24:46 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53586#p53586
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53587#p53587
drseti wrote:
ShawnM wrote:Also, flying around in Florida in the summers the storms can pop up in a second


True. Unfortunately ADS- B wx lags by several minutes, so it won't help you all that much with T-storm avoidance.


Oh, I dont need it for thunderstorm avoidance, I already avoid them. :mrgreen:

I guess I should have also clarified that I mainly use it for METARS and not a radar image as I'm usually on the ground when there's a even a hint of a shower or storm as I am a fair weather flyer.

For the radar, I like that it gives me a good look ahead many, many miles away long before I get there. I have seen many FAA videos on in flight weather and how they lag and certainly dont use in flight weather as my go/no go decision maker while in the air. We can get passing showers at any given moment so it's just nice to know roughly where they.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53587#p53587 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:20:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53587#p53587
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53595#p53595 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53595#p53595 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:29:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53595#p53595 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: ADSB for Cessna Skycatcher 162 :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53596#p53596
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.225

By the way, ADS-B out requirements are very similar to mode C transponder requirements.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.215]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53596#p53596 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:24:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4876&p=53596#p53596
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Breaking in a new Rotax 582 :: Author bdtrauma]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5202&p=53542#p53542
Thanks,
Bert]]>
no_email@example.com (bdtrauma) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5202&p=53542#p53542 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:34:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5202&p=53542#p53542
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Breaking in a new Rotax 582 :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5202&p=53610#p53610 ]]> no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5202&p=53610#p53610 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:45:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5202&p=53610#p53610 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Great Sunday Flying/Aeroprakt A32 :: Author FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53816#p53816
This past Sunday was a gorgeous day to fly in E TN. The owner of the airport invited me to go for a quick flight in his Maule. I kind of expected it to be coarse noisy and truck-like, but it was anything but. Certainly heavier on the controls than most Light Sports, but well harmonized. The Lycoming O-360 was very smooth. Very nice plane overall.

Karen shot a video of the takeoff. Here's a screenshot:

Image

As we were landing, we noticed an orange Light Sport parked in front of our house. Turned out a friend, Dennis Long, had been in the area and dropped by with an Aeroprakt A32:

Image

Dennis is the US distributor for Aeroprakt. He took another friend, Alan, for a test flight and he came back thoroughly enamored.

I was quite impressed with the build quality. It's an aluminum-bodied Light Sport from Ukraine, with fabric control surfaces. ROTAX 912 (not -is), full-span flaperons and a chute. Reasonably light EW, enormous long-range tanks (30 gals?) and good cruise speed combined with a comparatively low price (about $130k I think, depending on options).

Like I said, impressive. I think it would be very high on my short list of Light Sports were I ever to consider something other than my Sky Arrow.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53816#p53816 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:13:04 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53816#p53816
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great Sunday Flying/Aeroprakt A32 :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53817#p53817
Last year before I got my Sting I contacted Dennis for availability of A32 in the US and at that time he could only offer A22 with vague mention of A32 being available sometime in 2018/2019 so I passed.
The A32 has been available since 2016 in Australia and having read many positive reviews, it seemed to me that, unlike A22 which is a STOL plane, the A32 was a direct competitor to CTLS and similar fast, large cabin high wings.
You get 115 knots cruise, 50 inch wide cabin and , if you opt for simpler avionics like MGL , you can get a brand new one for about 115-120k.]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53817#p53817 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:23:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53817#p53817
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Great Sunday Flying/Aeroprakt A32 :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53831#p53831

The Aeroprakr looks pretty nice. Were you able to fly it?]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53831#p53831 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:25:12 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5216&p=53831#p53831
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no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53614#p53614 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 15:40:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53614#p53614
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no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53615#p53615 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 15:42:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53615#p53615
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53623#p53623
So what do you got left on this build ? Just the painting part , FAA certs and then ready to rumble ?]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53623#p53623 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:40:25 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53623#p53623
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53635#p53635 no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53635#p53635 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:45:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53635#p53635 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53636#p53636 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53636#p53636 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:46:57 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53636#p53636 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Sling 2 Pilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53638#p53638 no_email@example.com (Sling 2 Pilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53638#p53638 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:05:37 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53638#p53638 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53646#p53646 no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53646#p53646 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 14:35:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53646#p53646 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53807#p53807
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no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53807#p53807 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:05:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53807#p53807
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53808#p53808 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53808#p53808 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:07:32 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53808#p53808 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53809#p53809 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53809#p53809 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:12:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53809#p53809 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53811#p53811 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53811#p53811 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:26:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53811#p53811 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53812#p53812
My SportCruiser is the same colors as your Sling. White, blue and silver. I replaced all my boring black exterior placards in the blue with a silver drop shadow and I think they look great and they match the paint colors on the plane.

Cant wait to see this thing in person. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53812#p53812 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:54:07 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53812#p53812
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53813#p53813 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53813#p53813 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:56:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53813#p53813 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53819#p53819
I had a friend who had his Cessna Cardinal painted. He spent hours designing an drawing up a more modern paint scheme. When he arrived to pick up the airplane it had big ugly black numbers painted on the side. When he ask the painter about it he said that is what's on your drawing. Anyway the black numbers really look out of place.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53819#p53819 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:41:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53819#p53819
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53820#p53820
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no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53820#p53820 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:47:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53820#p53820
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53821#p53821
3Dreaming wrote:The numbers should match the stripes.

I had a friend who had his Cessna Cardinal painted. He spent hours designing an drawing up a more modern paint scheme. When he arrived to pick up the airplane it had big ugly black numbers painted on the side. When he ask the painter about it he said that is what's on your drawing. Anyway the black numbers really look out of place.


"Painted" on N numbers, oh no !! And the wrong color, ugh !! :shock:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53821#p53821 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:10:39 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53821#p53821
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53822#p53822
ShawnM wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:The numbers should match the stripes.

I had a friend who had his Cessna Cardinal painted. He spent hours designing an drawing up a more modern paint scheme. When he arrived to pick up the airplane it had big ugly black numbers painted on the side. When he ask the painter about it he said that is what's on your drawing. Anyway the black numbers really look out of place.


"Painted" on N numbers, oh no !! And the wrong color, ugh !! :shock:


It's hard to say it was the wrong color, because after all that was what was on the drawing. It just wasn't what the owner was expecting.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53822#p53822 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:11:53 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53822#p53822
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53824#p53824 no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53824#p53824 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:40:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53824#p53824 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53825#p53825 ]]> no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53825#p53825 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:58:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53825#p53825 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by cam737]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53826#p53826
Also, is white a color?]]>
no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53826#p53826 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:19:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53826#p53826
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53827#p53827 https://education.seattlepi.com/not-list-black-white-colors-physics-3426.html]]> no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53827#p53827 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:45:58 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53827#p53827 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Sling 2 build / Midwest Sky Sports :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53830#p53830
dstclair wrote:Nope -- black is the absence of all color. :)


Then Black comes in an empty can? :wink:]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53830#p53830 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:21:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53830#p53830
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no_email@example.com (cam737) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53835#p53835 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 14:50:06 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5062&p=53835#p53835
<![CDATA[Training :: Journey towards PPL :: Author savy13]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53442#p53442
I started with the dream for SPL, and quickly turned towards PPL with the good advice of the fellow members on this forum.

I intend to keep my progress posted: [1] to keep getting advice from you all on this forum on my progress, [2] hopefully to help other students who may read at some point.

10/24/2018: Received my 3rd Class Medical Certificate. Fairly simple test, with filling in the online form prior & FAA certified aviation medical examiner (AME) visit. Included routine general checkup, eye sight, reflexes and urine test along with basic questions on general health and family history. Took about an hour to complete and was issued the certificate there itself.

10/29/2018: Intro flight. I had scheduled it at Schaumburg Airport with Instructor Pete McVay. Prior to the flight, Pete gave a quick introduction on aerodynamics principles. We then went to the plane (Cessna 172) and did pre-flight check (outside and inside). After spending about 15-20 mins going through the instrument panel & other basics, we took off. Outside my commercial flight experience, this was the first time for me to ascend in any form & it was an exciting moment. The flight itself lasted roughly 35-40 mins. Pete guided me through the process, mostly letting me manage the altitude, direction & power, while doing course adjustments and corrections when needed. Needless to say, I was extreme nervous and each slight drop in altitude reminded me of a roller coaster and possibility that I'd be spiraling down to the ground. We mostly went between 1,600 - 3,800 in altitude and did few circles. For landing, Pete (thankfully) took most controls and let me guide once we were on the ground. While it was a beautiful sunny day with perfect visibility, I hardly noticed anything below me. I was hyperfocused on ensuring not to do anything stupid, and was holding the Yoke with such intensity that my knuckles turned white (may be a little bit of exaggeration there). Understandably the gitters of the first time, and surely hoping this improves through the journey.

Got the PHAK after the flight. Pete advised to go with Sportys training material (instead of Gleim that I was originally planning for). Came home and purchased Sportys Learn to Fly Course - Online Private Pilot Course (with promotional free Flying with Foreflight Course) for $199.

Realizations:
- the cockpit is pretty compact. Not that I had any specific expectations, but after being used to a car's interiors & sometimes glimpsing at commercial flight's cockpit, this looked really small
- thankfully I had read someone's advice of not eating before the flight. While mostly we were smooth sailing, I still had the jitters similar to a roller coaster, and not sure if a meal prior would have been a good idea
- afterwards while reliving the moments, realized this was very similar to jitters of first time learning driving and getting overwhelmed with all things one needs to simultaneously consider and perform. Felt better that driving has now become just so natural and so would flying me (hopefully soon)
- I am not backing off. The journey has begun and I liked being up there in the skies!

Now first official class on 10/31.]]>
no_email@example.com (savy13) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53442#p53442 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:16:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53442#p53442
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Journey towards PPL :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53445#p53445
Btw .. Cessna 172 cockpit is 40 inches wide - most LSAs are around 45 and some ( CTLS , Aeroprakt, Bristell ) about 50 and so are more expensive certified planes ( like Cirrus or Diamond) so yeah, Cessnas are pretty small, even among planes :-)]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53445#p53445 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:10:05 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53445#p53445
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Journey towards PPL :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53447#p53447 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53447#p53447 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:49:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53447#p53447 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Journey towards PPL :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53449#p53449
Congratulations.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53449#p53449 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 20:52:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53449#p53449
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Journey towards PPL :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53452#p53452 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53452#p53452 Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:09:24 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&p=53452#p53452 <![CDATA[Training :: NPRM to allow training in ELSAs :: Author drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53571#p53571
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FAA-2018-0926-0001

Comment deadline is 23 November.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53571#p53571 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:38:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53571#p53571
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: NPRM to allow training in ELSAs :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53572#p53572 Send your comments before Nov. 23, 2018. Be sure to identify the docket number FAA-2018-0926 using any of the following methods:

Federal eRulemaking Portal: Go to Regulations.gov and follow the online instructions for sending your comments electronically.

Mail: Send comments to Docket Operations, M-30, U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE, Room W12-140, West Building Ground Floor, Washington, D.C., 20590-0001.

Hand Delivery or Courier: Take comments to Docket Operations in Room W12-140 of the West Building Ground Floor at 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE, Washington, D.C., between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except federal holidays.

Fax: Fax comments to Docket Operations at 202-493-2251.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53572#p53572 Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:43:05 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53572#p53572
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: NPRM to allow training in ELSAs :: Reply by smutny]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53580#p53580 https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0926-0001

Whether this effects you directly or not, it's good for the industry. Please make your opinion heard to help this through.]]>
no_email@example.com (smutny) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53580#p53580 Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:28:13 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53580#p53580
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: NPRM to allow training in ELSAs :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53581#p53581
smutny wrote:Link is broken, try this one:


Thanks. Fixed the link in my post.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53581#p53581 Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:46:17 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53581#p53581
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: NPRM to allow training in ELSAs :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53605#p53605 no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53605#p53605 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 09:34:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5207&p=53605#p53605 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53474#p53474 no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53474#p53474 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 08:07:35 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53474#p53474 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53477#p53477 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53477#p53477 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 12:59:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53477#p53477 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53480#p53480 ]]> no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53480#p53480 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 16:05:40 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53480#p53480 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53484#p53484 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53484#p53484 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:20:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53484#p53484 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53486#p53486
rcpilot wrote:Just had my first BFR yesterday. Fortunately, my former instructor was available and willing. He was concerned that no one at the flight school would want to fly in my E-AB and they would make me use the Skycatcher(which I've only flown in once). It was getting bit windy favoring runway 24. He sees I'm using my checklist and asks if that's just for his benefit. I say, no, I actually use it all the time. We takeoff and he has me fly to Gabreski. Of course their runway 24 is closed, winds gusting to 20 knots and we have to use 19. Good he says. Crosswind practice. We do a few stop and goes and then off to the practice area along the South shore of Long Island. According to my GPS my ground speed is a whopping 37 mph. And this is why I don't normally fly on windy days. He has me do stalls and then the engine out drill. Then back to Brookhaven for some touch 'n goes. All in all he was satisfied that I hadn't picked up any bad habits and he signs me off.


I didn't see any mention of the 1 hour of required ground training.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53486#p53486 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:18:54 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53486#p53486
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53498#p53498
3Dreaming wrote:I didn't see any mention of the 1 hour of required ground training.


All CFIs should know about it. Spelled out in FAR 61.56(a).]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53498#p53498 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:34:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53498#p53498
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53499#p53499
drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I didn't see any mention of the 1 hour of required ground training.


All CFIs should know about it. Spelled out in FAR 61.56(a).

Yes, or course they do. I'm sure the OP had a proper flight review even though he didn't choose to list out ever detail for our approval. Geez.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53499#p53499 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:47:08 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53499#p53499
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53500#p53500
TimTaylor wrote: I hadn't used VOR in about 10 years.


Around here your lucky to pick ours up below 6000'. I've tried and failed (including on the checkride) to dial it in multiple times. The DPE could not get it dialed in either so we just moved on, some of them around here (sawmill is an example) are being fased out...

Here is the AEX Vortac remarks section:
VOR UNUSBL 035-065 BLO 2000 FT; 066-094 BYD 35 NM BLO 3000 FT; 185-200 BYD 35 NM BLO 3000 FT; 201-214 BYD 35 NM BLO 2000 FT; 215-260 BLO 2000 FT; 261-285 BYD 35 NM BLO 2000 FT; 357-034 BYD 35 NM BLO 3000 FT.

I mean it might as well say: out of service, it sucks and there is no money to fix it...]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53500#p53500 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:57:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53500#p53500
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53501#p53501 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53501#p53501 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 23:37:37 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53501#p53501 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53502#p53502
TimTaylor wrote:Why spend money on an obsolete system?


I installed SL-30s with OBSs in both of my flight school LSAs. They support VOR, LOC, and GS. It's true that Sport Pilots don't shoot instrument approaches, and most VFR navigation is now conducted using GPS. But my planes were set up to allow training all the way up through SP, PP, CP, and Instrument ratings, plus instrument proficiency checks. For a personal VFR aircraft, I agree it would not have been a sensible investment.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53502#p53502 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 23:51:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53502#p53502
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53503#p53503 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53503#p53503 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 23:55:21 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53503#p53503 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53504#p53504
TimTaylor wrote:Actually, we were talking about the federal government spending money to upgrade the VOR's.


Obviously I missed your point. Thanks for clarifying.]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53504#p53504 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 08:15:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53504#p53504
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53505#p53505
Other than Prof. Shuch’s specific training scenario, I see little need for it in a Light Sport, unless equipping it for IFR.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53505#p53505 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 08:28:51 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53505#p53505
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53507#p53507 no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53507#p53507 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 09:42:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53507#p53507 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53509#p53509
drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I didn't see any mention of the 1 hour of required ground training.


All CFIs should know about it. Spelled out in FAR 61.56(a).


Yet I was talking with a student who someone else started and I am finishing up, who witnessed the instructor he was flying with sign off several BFR's with only a one hour or less flight. This came up when I ask him about what he would need to do for a flight review in 2 years.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53509#p53509 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:07:33 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53509#p53509
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53511#p53511 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53511#p53511 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:25:23 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53511#p53511 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53512#p53512
On a flight review 6 years ago, the CFI barely let me talk. The whole hour of oral was him basically doing ground school.

By he way, it's no longer called a BFR.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53512#p53512 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:53:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53512#p53512
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53515#p53515
Warmi wrote:I am curious , what is being reviewed at the ground portion of a typical BFF - is it basically like a mini oral check-ride ?


Unlike the check ride a flight review is not pass fail. The regulations call for at least 1 hour of ground training and 1 hour of flight training.

The ground training should cover any changes to the regulation or normal operating practices that have happened since the pilots last review. For example covering changes for operations at an airport in class G airspace would be a good choice since there was a recent change and new AC. At our airport I have changed where we do out run ups because of runway incursions. This is something else I would cover.

For the flight I do like Eddie. I plan it around the pilots experience level and operations. If they are a commercial pilot I might review chandelles and lazy eights. For a private pilot I might do more hood time with techniques that could save their life if they got caught in that situation. I will also often ask if there is anything they want to work on or feel deficient in.

I use the PTS or ACS as appropriate for a completion standard. I will sign off after the required training if their performance level is within the standards, or we do more training to bring it within the standards.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53515#p53515 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 13:46:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53515#p53515
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53516#p53516
Will have my first one in about one year...]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53516#p53516 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 14:56:56 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53516#p53516
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53517#p53517 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53517#p53517 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 14:59:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53517#p53517 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53518#p53518 )

I have seen all sorts wildly different numbers and I am thinking of replacing it with Garmin GTR 200 since I don’t use the nav part at all and the 200 display is just a bit easier to read and has a few more com related features ...]]>
no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53518#p53518 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:13:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53518#p53518
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53519#p53519 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53519#p53519 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:34:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53519#p53519 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53520#p53520
foresterpoole wrote:Well at least from a checkride standpoint you need to know how to use everything in the aircraft, so in Paul's case, if it's in there, the student needs to know how to use it. It's not a bad skill to have in your pocket, but at least for us low and slow folks who fly on nice vfr days in locations we are familiar with it might be somewhat redundant.

If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53520#p53520 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:38:38 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53520#p53520
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53521#p53521
TimTaylor wrote:If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.


I concur. In a checkride, I cannot test for anything that's not included in the PTS. I see no reason why a flight review should be any more rigorous than a checkride!]]>
no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53521#p53521 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:43:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53521#p53521
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53522#p53522
https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/air-safety-institute/flight-review]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53522#p53522 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 16:01:04 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53522#p53522
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53529#p53529
TimTaylor wrote:
drseti wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I didn't see any mention of the 1 hour of required ground training.


All CFIs should know about it. Spelled out in FAR 61.56(a).

Yes, or course they do. I'm sure the OP had a proper flight review even though he didn't choose to list out ever detail for our approval. Geez.


Yes I did skip to the more fun part. We talked about weather, emergencies procedures, navigation, etc. Since he hadn't flown in my plane for a while, he also quizzed me on my maintenance procedures.]]>
no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53529#p53529 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:52:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53529#p53529
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53588#p53588
TimTaylor wrote:
foresterpoole wrote:Well at least from a checkride standpoint you need to know how to use everything in the aircraft, so in Paul's case, if it's in there, the student needs to know how to use it. It's not a bad skill to have in your pocket, but at least for us low and slow folks who fly on nice vfr days in locations we are familiar with it might be somewhat redundant.

If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.

drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:If I was doing a flight review with a Sport Pilot in Paul's airplane, I would not ask him to use the use the VOR equipment if he normally flies an airplane without VOR and has never been trained in VOR operations. If he was a Private or Commercial Pilot, then I would.


I concur. In a checkride, I cannot test for anything that's not included in the PTS. I see no reason why a flight review should be any more rigorous than a checkride!


I was referring to the checkride, maybe my DPE and flight instructors (performing check outs) are hard@sses, but if it is in the plane and you are PIC, they require you demonstrate knowledge of the system, obvious exceptions would be inop instruments such as DME's.]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53588#p53588 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:23:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53588#p53588
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53589#p53589 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53589#p53589 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:45:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53589#p53589 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53601#p53601

Signed,
Sport Pilot Shawn]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53601#p53601 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 07:48:35 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53601#p53601
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53602#p53602
Since buying the Vag, I'm back to flying IFR again, (I Follow Roads)! 8)

Used to teach spin entry & recovery (3 to 5 turns) during flight reviews, visual and under the hood for those that wanted it!]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53602#p53602 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 08:54:44 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53602#p53602
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53603#p53603
GPS is putting these dinosaur aged technologies out to pasture thankfully. :mrgreen:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53603#p53603 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 08:57:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53603#p53603
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53604#p53604 no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53604#p53604 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 09:02:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53604#p53604 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53607#p53607
ShawnM wrote:Agree, what's a DME?


2 nickles?]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53607#p53607 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:22:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53607#p53607
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53613#p53613 no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53613#p53613 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 12:27:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53613#p53613 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53616#p53616
CharlieTango wrote:DME = Distance Measuring Equipment, a feature of most VORs


Thanks Charlie Tango but it was a rhetorical question, just like "what's an ADF?" :mrgreen:

My point was it's old technology that's being replaced.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53616#p53616 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 15:50:45 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53616#p53616
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53617#p53617 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53617#p53617 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 16:00:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53617#p53617 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53621#p53621 no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53621#p53621 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:53:03 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53621#p53621 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by dstclair]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53622#p53622
ShawnM wrote:
CharlieTango wrote:DME = Distance Measuring Equipment, a feature of most VORs


Thanks Charlie Tango but it was a rhetorical question, just like "what's an ADF?" :mrgreen:

My point was it's old technology that's being replaced.

Actually, VORs are here to stay -- just in reduced numbers. VOR MON is the FAA program to phase out approximately 1/3 of the current VORs by 2025. The remaining VOR's will stay in place as a backup to GPS and ensure navigation coverage above 5K feet, instrument approach backup assured within 100nm of any given point and Victor airway support in the mountain west (and a few other usages that elude my memory). True, very few folks flying low and slow in VFR conditions use them today and in the future but if your flying IFR with a GPS outage, it's a good thing to have a backup.]]>
no_email@example.com (dstclair) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53622#p53622 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:55:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53622#p53622
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Flight review :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53626#p53626
dstclair wrote:
ShawnM wrote:
CharlieTango wrote:DME = Distance Measuring Equipment, a feature of most VORs


Thanks Charlie Tango but it was a rhetorical question, just like "what's an ADF?" :mrgreen:

My point was it's old technology that's being replaced.

Actually, VORs are here to stay -- just in reduced numbers. VOR MON is the FAA program to phase out approximately 1/3 of the current VORs by 2025. The remaining VOR's will stay in place as a backup to GPS and ensure navigation coverage above 5K feet, instrument approach backup assured within 100nm of any given point and Victor airway support in the mountain west (and a few other usages that elude my memory). True, very few folks flying low and slow in VFR conditions use them today and in the future but if your flying IFR with a GPS outage, it's a good thing to have a backup.

Very good point.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53626#p53626 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:28:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4914&p=53626#p53626
<![CDATA[Training :: New Sport Pilot :: Author 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53828#p53828 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53828#p53828 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:52:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53828#p53828 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: New Sport Pilot :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53832#p53832

Did you tell him about this site?]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53832#p53832 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:29:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53832#p53832
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: New Sport Pilot :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53833#p53833
Jim Hardin wrote:Instructors feel almost as elated as the new pilots do :D

Did you tell him about this site?


He was to busy prepping for the checkride that I didn't bother mentioning this site. Now that the checkride is over I'll let him know.

He had been training at an airport about 50 miles away. The owner of the airplane moved the airplane here so he could finish his training. The new sport pilot will be here in a few minutes to take the airplane back home.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53833#p53833 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:45:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5217&p=53833#p53833
<![CDATA[Aviation Humor & Mayhem :: Fling Wing :: Author Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5199&p=53454#p53454

Wife got me a Discovery Flight in a Robinson R44. I have never flown a helicopter although I've stood on the skids a few times...

We both blew the video. I had one on my headset but didn't get it started recording. Wife had a handheld but got out of phase - recording off when you pick it up and recording on when you lay it down. (I have recorded many airshows that way, got quite a collection of feet)

Half hour flight in light drizzle but it was fun! I was actually surprised how easy it was to use the collective for altitude control, did level turns and climbing and descending turns.

Tried hovering but I could barely keep it in the same zip code! Might have to go back and do some more. I can't pass a physical so even a Private Pilot is out to the question. Maybe they'll add Rotorcraft to Sport Pilot :D

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no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5199&p=53454#p53454 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:18:11 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5199&p=53454#p53454
<![CDATA[Aviation Humor & Mayhem :: Re: Fling Wing :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5199&p=53470#p53470 ]]> no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5199&p=53470#p53470 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 23:33:49 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5199&p=53470#p53470 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: How many Sport CFIs? :: Author TDFlyer]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53619#p53619
63? That's it?]]>
no_email@example.com (TDFlyer) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53619#p53619 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 17:06:46 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53619#p53619
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53620#p53620 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53620#p53620 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 17:49:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53620#p53620 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53624#p53624 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53624#p53624 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:41:00 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53624#p53624 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by smutny]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53625#p53625
drseti wrote:With recent changes to allow CFI-SP training to apply for higher ratings, the viability (and hence, popularity) of the CFI-SP will likely increase.


Was this in the FAA Reauthorization Act? If so, I didn't realize it was in there.

In the next few months, there should be a 64th... Been working on my Ground Instructor recently, thereafter CFI-S.]]>
no_email@example.com (smutny) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53625#p53625 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:20:10 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53625#p53625
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by TDFlyer]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53627#p53627
TimTaylor wrote:I don't think it matters because any CFI can instruct students toward a Sport Pilot certificate.
As a CFI-S myself, I am aware that any CFI can train a sport pilot student. I was just curious how many other CFI-S’s were out there. I figured there would be more. I had already started working on my CFI-S when the rule change was announced allowing Sport Pilots trained by a CFI-S to credit their training towards a private, that is a huge deal.]]>
no_email@example.com (TDFlyer) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53627#p53627 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:36:51 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53627#p53627
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53628#p53628
TDFlyer wrote:. . . . . the rule change was announced allowing Sport Pilots trained by a CFI-S to credit their training towards a private, that is a huge deal.

Concur.
There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn’t have been that way in the first place.]]>
no_email@example.com (Wm.Ince) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53628#p53628 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 21:49:09 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53628#p53628
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by kbrown66]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53712#p53712 no_email@example.com (kbrown66) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53712#p53712 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:11:15 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53712#p53712 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53713#p53713 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53713#p53713 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:15:04 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53713#p53713 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by TDFlyer]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53785#p53785 no_email@example.com (TDFlyer) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53785#p53785 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 21:47:24 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53785#p53785 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: How many Sport CFIs? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53786#p53786 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53786#p53786 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:08:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5210&p=53786#p53786 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Weather Tool :: Author foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53778#p53778 https://www.aviationweather.gov/hemst]]> no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53778#p53778 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:06:31 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53778#p53778 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Weather Tool :: Reply by smutny]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53782#p53782 no_email@example.com (smutny) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53782#p53782 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:13:01 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53782#p53782 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Weather Tool :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53791#p53791 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53791#p53791 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 12:41:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53791#p53791 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Weather Tool :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53805#p53805 no_email@example.com (HAPPYDAN) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53805#p53805 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:47:40 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53805#p53805 <![CDATA[Safety Corner :: Re: Weather Tool :: Reply by JJay]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53815#p53815 http://www.helicopterground.com.]]> no_email@example.com (JJay) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53815#p53815 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:09:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5214&p=53815#p53815 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: Basic Med gray area :: Reply by Merlinspop]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53368#p53368 ]]> no_email@example.com (Merlinspop) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53368#p53368 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:26:48 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53368#p53368 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: Basic Med gray area :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53369#p53369
Merlinspop wrote:Tucked away in my flight bag is a brand new, freshly signed Third Class Medical. The words”Special Issuance” does not appear anywhere on the document or letter accompanying it. :D

Congratulations, Bruce!

My special issuance didn't have "Special Issuance" anywhere on it either, but Under "Limitations" it did say "Not valid for any class after September 30, 2006." That's the clue it's special issuance.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53369#p53369 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 20:43:00 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53369#p53369
<![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: Basic Med gray area :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53370#p53370 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53370#p53370 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:06:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53370#p53370 <![CDATA[Medical Issues :: Re: Basic Med gray area :: Reply by Merlinspop]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53376#p53376
Scooper wrote:
Merlinspop wrote:Tucked away in my flight bag is a brand new, freshly signed Third Class Medical. The words”Special Issuance” does not appear anywhere on the document or letter accompanying it. :D

Congratulations, Bruce!

My special issuance didn't have "Special Issuance" anywhere on it either, but Under "Limitations" it did say "Not valid for any class after September 30, 2006." That's the clue it's special issuance.

Under Limitations: “None”
The letter accompanying it did contain an admonition that if I ever become symptomatic for Afib, I’ll need to ground myself. Fair enough.]]>
no_email@example.com (Merlinspop) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53376#p53376 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:18:02 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5154&p=53376#p53376
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: private pilot privileges :: Author jessde]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53693#p53693 I'm current with medical and flight review?
Jess]]>
no_email@example.com (jessde) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53693#p53693 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:34:38 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53693#p53693
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53694#p53694
That said, you can do Basic Med if your 3rd class medical was in force any time after 7/15/06 and exercise your Private Pilot privileges in just about any aircraft you would ever want to fly including twins. There could be some limitations with this that I am not aware of.

Regardless, all pilots require a flight review every two years to act as PIC.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53694#p53694 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:44:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53694#p53694
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53695#p53695 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/part-61/subpart-J

Note: Since you are a Private Pilot, you won't need the endorsements that a Sport Pilot would need.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53695#p53695 Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:28:20 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53695#p53695
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53696#p53696
Though a Commercial Pilot, with my expired medical I was subject to Sport Pilot limitations for years while flying my Sky Arrow. Never made sense to me, since my skillset remained intact, but there you have it.

As Tim said, those limitations went away with BasicMed. Still barred from Commercial privileges. I wish they would carve out an exclusion for non-passenger-carrying operations such as ferrying aircraft, but it is what it is.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53696#p53696 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:10:41 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53696#p53696
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53702#p53702
Many think that you can still do a Special VFR or fly with less in uncontroled airspace... NO, 3 miles is 3 miles without any acceptions.

But scud running was never realy fun, so enjoy the 3 miles :D]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53702#p53702 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:16:55 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53702#p53702
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53707#p53707
Jim Hardin wrote:One little subtle thing to note with folks exercising Sport Pilot privileges while holding a higher certificate is the Three miles visibility requirment of SP.

Many think that you can still do a Special VFR or fly with less in uncontroled airspace... NO, 3 miles is 3 miles without any acceptions.

But scud running was never realy fun, so enjoy the 3 miles :D

Yes, when it says Sport Pilot privileges and limitations, it means Sport Pilot privileges and limitations.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53707#p53707 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 13:34:37 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53707#p53707
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53708#p53708
FastEddieB wrote:Tim nailed it.

Though a Commercial Pilot, with my expired medical I was subject to Sport Pilot limitations for years while flying my Sky Arrow. Never made sense to me, since my skillset remained intact, but there you have it.

As Tim said, those limitations went away with BasicMed. Still barred from Commercial privileges. I wish they would carve out an exclusion for non-passenger-carrying operations such as ferrying aircraft, but it is what it is.

The logic is your skill set may have diminished. Since you are no longer getting FAA physicals, they have no way to know that other than the flight review. A CFI would not necessarily be in a position to judge cognitive issues, etc. The FAA remedied this to a degree with Basic Med.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53708#p53708 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 13:38:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53708#p53708
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53709#p53709
TimTaylor wrote:The logic is your skill set may have diminished. Since you are no longer getting FAA physicals, they have no way to know that other than the flight review. A CFI would not necessarily be in a position to judge cognitive issues, etc. The FAA remedied this to a degree with Basic Med.


Point taken.

I had this discussion recently with another pilot who has a few years on me (I’m 69). About how a slow decline in cognitive ability might hamper one’s ability to perceive when that decline had become problematic, and maybe it was time to pursue a different hobby.

It just seemed odd that one day I was fine to fly at 10,001’, and then next day not, solely because a card in my wallet expired. But you make a good point.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53709#p53709 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:33:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53709#p53709
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53710#p53710 ]]> no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53710#p53710 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:40:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53710#p53710 <![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53728#p53728
EDIT: This conclusion assumes the 2nd class FAA medical is of some value in determining fitness for flight. I guess that is debatable.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53728#p53728 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:13:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53728#p53728
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53730#p53730
TimTaylor wrote:Exercising Commercial Pilot privileges usually means other people, such as paying passengers, are being put at risk. Commercial Pilots, therefore, are held to a higher standard...


Which is why I proposed "I wish they would carve out an exclusion for non-passenger-carrying operations such as ferrying aircraft...".

Other examples might be banner towing, crop dusting, aerial photography, that sort of thing.

Not complaining, but it would be nice for me if I could earn a few extra dollars ferrying aircraft.

As it is, as A CFI, I could give dual to a pilot who had just purchased a plane and wanted to get transition training while flying it home. But not make the same flight without him and charge for it. Just seems a little odd.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53730#p53730 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:12:23 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53730#p53730
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53731#p53731
FastEddieB wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Exercising Commercial Pilot privileges usually means other people, such as paying passengers, are being put at risk. Commercial Pilots, therefore, are held to a higher standard...


Which is why I proposed "I wish they would carve out an exclusion for non-passenger-carrying operations such as ferrying aircraft...".

Other examples might be banner towing, crop dusting, aerial photography, that sort of thing.

Not complaining, but it would be nice for me if I could earn a few extra dollars ferrying aircraft.

As it is, as A CFI, I could give dual to a pilot who had just purchased a plane and wanted to get transition training while flying it home. But not make the same flight without him and charge for it. Just seems a little odd.

I guess I should have said Commercial Pilot usually means other people and property are being put at risk. What you're proposing is tantamount to a Commercial Pilot and Almost Commercial Pilot. I would be happy with Basic Med. I think the FAA has bent over backwards to accommodate the aging pilot population who can no longer pass a 2nd or 3rd class medical (much less a 1st class medical).

It's sort of like people with lots of money. The more they have, the more they want. When is enough, enough?

EDIT: I guess I should say some people, not all.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53731#p53731 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:18:08 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53731#p53731
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53795#p53795
FastEddieB wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Exercising Commercial Pilot privileges usually means other people, such as paying passengers, are being put at risk. Commercial Pilots, therefore, are held to a higher standard...


Which is why I proposed "I wish they would carve out an exclusion for non-passenger-carrying operations such as ferrying aircraft...".

Other examples might be banner towing, crop dusting, aerial photography, that sort of thing.

Not complaining, but it would be nice for me if I could earn a few extra dollars ferrying aircraft.

As it is, as A CFI, I could give dual to a pilot who had just purchased a plane and wanted to get transition training while flying it home. But not make the same flight without him and charge for it. Just seems a little odd.[/quoted]

I'm pretty sure what you just listed IS allowed under § 91.501 aerial work exceptions. I'm not going to argue what or how a FSDO would interpret this rule as I've seen conflicting rulings based on who you ask, but it's the reason a simple private pilot can operate an aerial photography operation without a commercial liscense or a "corporate" pilot does not need a commercial liscense so long as the hold out requirements are meet. It's also the reason why, if needed I've been told by our in house lawyer I can fly (Exercising Private Pilot Privileges) with another employee to our plant site in Texas or while conducting damage assessments to our timber. Please note I've never done this, I've been informed by our counsel that I could if the need presented itself.]]>
no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53795#p53795 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:31:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53795#p53795
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53796#p53796
But under “Applicability” it says:

“(a) This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to those prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation of large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil airplanes of U.S. registry, and fractional ownership program aircraft of U.S. registry that are operating under subpart K of this part in operations not involving common carriage.”

So, don’t see how it applies to me.

And later, it outlines what “may be charged as expenses”. Not compensation.

Pretty sure if someone pays me to ferry a plane, that requires a Commercial license (which I have) with current Class 2 Medical (which I don’t).

I’d love to be proven wrong, though.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53796#p53796 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:54:29 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53796#p53796
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53797#p53797 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53797#p53797 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:19:49 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53797#p53797 <![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by foresterpoole]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53799#p53799 no_email@example.com (foresterpoole) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53799#p53799 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:26:50 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53799#p53799 <![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53800#p53800
The governing FAR:

§ 61.113 Private pilot privileges and limitations: Pilot in command.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (h) of this section, no person who holds a private pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft that is carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire; nor may that person, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft.


Seems clear. Read b through h for narrow exceptions.

Which do not cover me getting paid to ferry a plane. Stipulated I am a Commercial Pilot, but to my knowledge, without at least a Class 2 Medical I cannot exercise Commercial privileges.

Again do, I would love for you to prove me wrong - it would open up opportunities for me to earn some extra income.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53800#p53800 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:44:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53800#p53800
<![CDATA[Ask The Examiner :: Re: private pilot privileges :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53802#p53802
FastEddieB wrote:Which do not cover me getting paid to ferry a plane. Stipulated I am a Commercial Pilot, but to my knowledge, without at least a Class 2 Medical I cannot exercise Commercial privileges.


That is correct. Your pilot privileges is limited based on the level of medical certification you hold. Even if you were ferrying a LSA for hire you would need a second class medical.
Sorry I couldn't resist.]]>
no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53802#p53802 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:49:44 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5213&p=53802#p53802
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Retorquing Rotax heads :: Author drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53549#p53549 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53549#p53549 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:30:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53549#p53549 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Retorquing Rotax heads :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53550#p53550
Guys and Gals you need to use the manuals and more importantly use the maint. inspection checklist. I have used the Rotax checklist and the Mfg fuselage checklist on every single inspection I have done since the begining. I know it by heart, but I always use them and give it to the customer all filled out and annotate in the margins for anything I touch, tweak, torque, change or repair.

This seems to be a huge wide spread problem with owners and mechanics failing to have or use the maint. manual or checklist. It does look like
LSRM-A's do a better job of it than A&P's by a huge majority.]]>
no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53550#p53550 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:58:56 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53550#p53550
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Retorquing Rotax heads :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53551#p53551 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53551#p53551 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 09:24:54 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53551#p53551 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Retorquing Rotax heads :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53553#p53553 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53553#p53553 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 12:29:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5204&p=53553#p53553 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Has this ever happened to you? :: Author rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53528#p53528 no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53528#p53528 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:44:18 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53528#p53528 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53530#p53530 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53530#p53530 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:02:52 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53530#p53530 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53531#p53531 The carb needs to be seated into the flange all the way up to the carb body with no excess seen on the carb throat. When seated properly there is no way they will come out.
The new flanges that have been our many years have an 8mm spacer in the clamp. The old style clamp did not and people over tightened it and cut the flange. The flange bodies have also changed many years ago.]]>
no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53531#p53531 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:17:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53531#p53531
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53536#p53536

It's still like this today but here's the pic from nearly 5 years ago.

carb securing.jpg

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carb securing.jpg (136.99 KiB)


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no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53536#p53536 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:21:43 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53536#p53536
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53537#p53537
ShawnM wrote:When I bought my plane 5 years ago the carbs were not only tightened in the sockets, there was a spring on top along with 2 wire ties, one on the top and one on the bottom, holding the carb in the socket to keep this from happening. I believe that SportCruiser did this from the factory, at least the spring, not sure whose idea the zip ties were. This may be overkill but my carbs have never moved. :mrgreen:

It's still like this today but here's the pic from nearly 5 years ago.

carb securing.jpg


That looks like a good idea.]]>
no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53537#p53537 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:37:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53537#p53537
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53538#p53538 no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53538#p53538 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:43:04 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53538#p53538 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53541#p53541
Image

I assumed that was a stock ROTAX thing.

No tywraps, though!!!]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53541#p53541 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:18:21 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53541#p53541
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53545#p53545 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53545#p53545 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 20:03:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53545#p53545 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53547#p53547 no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53547#p53547 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:13:14 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53547#p53547 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by rcpilot]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53593#p53593 no_email@example.com (rcpilot) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53593#p53593 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:45:59 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53593#p53593 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by RV12Heal]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53608#p53608 no_email@example.com (RV12Heal) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53608#p53608 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:22:48 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53608#p53608 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by roger lee]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53631#p53631 no_email@example.com (roger lee) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53631#p53631 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:27:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53631#p53631 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53633#p53633 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53633#p53633 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:11:47 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53633#p53633 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Has this ever happened to you? :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53637#p53637 ]]> no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53637#p53637 Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:51:12 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5201&p=53637#p53637 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Taking the Jan 2019 LSRM Course :: Author JJay]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53798#p53798
Anyone else from this forum going to be there?

Anyone have any leads on cheap housing or transportation near Corning, CA that Rainbow doesn't already promote?]]>
no_email@example.com (JJay) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53798#p53798 Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:13:16 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53798#p53798
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Taking the Jan 2019 LSRM Course :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53806#p53806
I'm taking the LSRI class, also given by Rainbow, but they are coming to Orlando (X04) next March 31 and April 1st. There are still 5 seats left if anyone else is interested. I also have plans for the Rotax service and maintenance classes down in Sebring.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53806#p53806 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:26:40 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53806#p53806
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Taking the Jan 2019 LSRM Course :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53810#p53810 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53810#p53810 Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:17:19 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53810#p53810 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Taking the Jan 2019 LSRM Course :: Reply by smutny]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53818#p53818 no_email@example.com (smutny) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53818#p53818 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:41:29 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53818#p53818 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Taking the Jan 2019 LSRM Course :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53823#p53823
drseti wrote:FWIW, I'm registered for the Rotax service, maintenance, and heavy maintenance renewal courses at Lockwood the week before Expo. Hoping to see some of my fellow Rotax repairmen from this forum. (If you're planning to take any of those courses and haven't yet registered, it's time to call Dean or Raphaela.)


I flew down to Sebring just over a week ago to pick up my oil, filter and plugs for my annual this month and talked with Raphaela about the classes. January's classes do fill up quick because many are here for the LSA show and want to do it all in one trip. If anyone is thinking about it dont wait too long. :shock:]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53823#p53823 Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:16:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5215&p=53823#p53823
<![CDATA[Ask The Insurance Agent :: Insurance Ride :: Author Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5218&p=53829#p53829
2 have been Experimental Amateur Built, which I have never been in before. One of those asked for my time but was satisfied I had plenty of taildragger time. Other didn’t ask.

I am curious if this practice of not caring about the CFI’s time in type is the normal?

Funny one was in a Piper Comanche. Extremely cold winter and we were getting in a little night flying. It was his last hour and I wanted to have him go over the emergency gear extension while in flight. I was just going simulate it when he hit gear down and the breaker popped. Gear had been slow cycling. We tried several things since manual extension requires jacking the aircraft up to reset the gear motor. Nothing worked so we were going to do it for real... Still, no sweat as we had that option. We did a walk through with the checklist and then for real. He pulled the extension lever and promptly came back to the throttle announcing, “it won’t move”!
Talk.about a sinking feeling, nothing beats running out of options. So he read the checklist while I performed the procedures. Got to the extension part and sure enough it didn’t want to move. Now what? I put so extra effort into it and it moved, very slowly with constant resistance. I got him to get on it with me for the last part, so we had enough speed to assure a downlock. A&P told me the next day there was too much grease on it and the sub zero weather overloaded the motor. Owner sure got some experience in those 5 hours.]]>
no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5218&p=53829#p53829 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:15:28 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5218&p=53829#p53829
<![CDATA[Ask The Insurance Agent :: Re: Insurance Ride :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5218&p=53834#p53834 no_email@example.com (3Dreaming) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5218&p=53834#p53834 Sat, 17 Nov 2018 14:07:33 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5218&p=53834#p53834 <![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: Oct 2018 11th Annual CT/LSA Fly-In Page AZ Lake Powell :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53394#p53394 no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53394#p53394 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:49:58 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53394#p53394 <![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: Oct 2018 11th Annual CT/LSA Fly-In Page AZ Lake Powell :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53395#p53395 no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53395#p53395 Sat, 27 Oct 2018 03:42:59 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53395#p53395 <![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: Oct 2018 11th Annual CT/LSA Fly-In Page AZ Lake Powell :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53396#p53396
CharlieTango wrote:It was cancelled due to weather.

Bummer. Page and Lake Powell make for an awesome venue.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53396#p53396 Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:39:16 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5038&p=53396#p53396
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: 2018 Deland Sport Aviation Showcase - Nov 1-3 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53392#p53392

For those interested the show is next weekend, November 1st thru the 3rd in Deland, FL. KDED. It's a great show and getting bigger each year. The list of exhibitors is impressive and growing.

Check it out!! https://www.sportaviationshowcase.com/]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53392#p53392 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 08:38:15 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53392#p53392
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: 2018 Deland Sport Aviation Showcase - Nov 1-3 :: Reply by Scooper]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53393#p53393

My brother graduated from Stetson in DeLand, so I know the area.]]>
no_email@example.com (Scooper) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53393#p53393 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:20:31 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53393#p53393
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: 2018 Deland Sport Aviation Showcase - Nov 1-3 :: Reply by JJay]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53418#p53418 no_email@example.com (JJay) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53418#p53418 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:39:41 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53418#p53418 <![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: 2018 Deland Sport Aviation Showcase - Nov 1-3 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53437#p53437
Friday is the day several SportCruiser owners were planning on going. But, according to my weather app, WeatherBug, there is a 80% chance of rain that day in Deland. There is a front moving through. Thursday looks better with only a 30% chance of rain and I have other plans on Saturday. Of course this is Florida so the weather can changes in minutes. I'll keep an eye on it.]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53437#p53437 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:07:45 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53437#p53437
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: 2018 Deland Sport Aviation Showcase - Nov 1-3 :: Reply by ShawnM]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53438#p53438
Scooper wrote:Looks like fun! It's all the way across the continent from me, so I'll miss out. :(

My brother graduated from Stetson in DeLand, so I know the area.


We'll save you a spot for some other time Stan.

Just like I'd like to make it out for the Page, AZ / Lake Powell event but THAT'S all the way across the continent for me. :(]]>
no_email@example.com (ShawnM) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53438#p53438 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:11:30 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5181&p=53438#p53438
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: $200+ Burger Tuesday @ Williamson, GA (GA2) :: Author TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53401#p53401 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53401#p53401 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:32:03 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53401#p53401 <![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: $200+ Burger Tuesday @ Williamson, GA (GA2) :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53446#p53446 no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53446#p53446 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:41:42 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53446#p53446 <![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: $200+ Burger Tuesday @ Williamson, GA (GA2) :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53448#p53448
TimTaylor wrote:I am here. Beautiful day to fly. Atlanta wouldn’t clear me across ALT, but they did clear me into class B to cut the corner.
I meant to say Atlanta Approach wouldn't clear me across ATL. Also, it was a $275 burger, not $200.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53448#p53448 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 19:11:01 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53448#p53448
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: $200+ Burger Tuesday @ Williamson, GA (GA2) :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53450#p53450
I'm in N GA, but my plane's in Lenoir City, TN. Likely to be a regular circumstance.

Maybe next time.]]>
no_email@example.com (FastEddieB) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53450#p53450 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 21:09:25 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53450#p53450
<![CDATA[Fly-Ins & $100 Hamburgers :: Re: $200+ Burger Tuesday @ Williamson, GA (GA2) :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53451#p53451
Today was just about the most beautiful flying day I've had in a long time. Of course, flying somewhere besides KGMU was fun also. At 3:30pm, I was the only person at the Barnstormer's Grill.]]>
no_email@example.com (TimTaylor) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53451#p53451 Tue, 30 Oct 2018 21:32:07 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5197&p=53451#p53451
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: My airport photo :: Author CharlieTango]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53397#p53397 ]]> no_email@example.com (CharlieTango) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53397#p53397 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 10:12:17 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53397#p53397 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by drseti]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53398#p53398 no_email@example.com (drseti) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53398#p53398 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:54:52 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53398#p53398 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by Warmi]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53399#p53399 no_email@example.com (Warmi) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53399#p53399 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:31:32 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53399#p53399 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by David]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53400#p53400 no_email@example.com (David) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53400#p53400 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:34:53 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53400#p53400 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53427#p53427 no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53427#p53427 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:16:36 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53427#p53427 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by hirschr]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53430#p53430 no_email@example.com (hirschr) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53430#p53430 Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:33:10 -0400 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53430#p53430 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53592#p53592
Beautiful Shot!]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53592#p53592 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:31:42 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53592#p53592
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: My airport photo :: Reply by RTK]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53599#p53599 no_email@example.com (RTK) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53599#p53599 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:53:34 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5196&p=53599#p53599 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: SKY ARROW SPORT 600 - FOR SALE :: Author Helen]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5205&p=53556#p53556 no_email@example.com (Helen) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5205&p=53556#p53556 Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:31:27 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5205&p=53556#p53556 <![CDATA[Plan on attending the Annual Sport Pilot Expo :: 2018 Sport Aviation Expo :: Author rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53600#p53600
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no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53600#p53600 Thu, 08 Nov 2018 23:19:26 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53600#p53600
<![CDATA[Plan on attending the Annual Sport Pilot Expo :: Re: 2018 Sport Aviation Expo :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53606#p53606 no_email@example.com (Jim Hardin) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53606#p53606 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:12:22 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53606#p53606 <![CDATA[Plan on attending the Annual Sport Pilot Expo :: Re: 2018 Sport Aviation Expo :: Reply by rideandfly]]> http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53609#p53609
Jim Hardin wrote:Looks like a good time!


Thanks!

We try to visit at least one national aviation gathering every year, as long as we're able.]]>
no_email@example.com (rideandfly) http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53609#p53609 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:29:30 -0500 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5209&p=53609#p53609