<![CDATA[Sport Pilot Talk]]> http://sportpilottalk.com 2017-12-13T06:01:30-05:00 Smartfeed Extension for phpBB 3.1 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-13T07:30:16-05:00 2017-11-13T07:30:16-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48212#p48212
Over on the Pilots of America forum is a Dr. Bruce Chien. He has a reputation for being able to guide people with “issues” through the medical certification process. I have no personal experience with him, but he seems to know what he’s doing.

Sounds like you may have it covered, but thought I’d throw it out there as an option.]]>

Over on the Pilots of America forum is a Dr. Bruce Chien. He has a reputation for being able to guide people with “issues” through the medical certification process. I have no personal experience with him, but he seems to know what he’s doing.

Sounds like you may have it covered, but thought I’d throw it out there as an option.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-13T13:39:31-05:00 2017-11-13T13:39:31-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48215#p48215
BenThereToo wrote: So I am hoping for the FAA to come through for me.



That's somewhat akin to speaking softly to a rattlesnake and hoping it doesn't bite you. I concur with the suggestion to contact Dr. Bruce before you go any further. Without knowledgeable help, you could easily dig yourself into a very deep hole.

And welcome to the forum!]]>
BenThereToo wrote: So I am hoping for the FAA to come through for me.



That's somewhat akin to speaking softly to a rattlesnake and hoping it doesn't bite you. I concur with the suggestion to contact Dr. Bruce before you go any further. Without knowledgeable help, you could easily dig yourself into a very deep hole.

And welcome to the forum!]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-13T13:46:06-05:00 2017-11-13T13:46:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48216#p48216 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-13T16:29:42-05:00 2017-11-13T16:29:42-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48217#p48217
TimTaylor wrote:The hole is already dug with the previous denial. He needs to see if he can qualify for a special issue 3rd class.



Agreed, and without some specialized help (like Dr. Bruce), he could easily dig it deeper then fill it on top of himself.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:The hole is already dug with the previous denial. He needs to see if he can qualify for a special issue 3rd class.



Agreed, and without some specialized help (like Dr. Bruce), he could easily dig it deeper then fill it on top of himself.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-11-13T16:42:01-05:00 2017-11-13T16:42:01-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48218#p48218 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New Guy :: Reply by BenThereToo]]> 2017-11-13T18:59:08-05:00 2017-11-13T18:59:08-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4935&p=48219#p48219 But I don't believe that I have dug any hole with the FAA, quite the opposite in fact. They have been more than helpful. So far. I work for a part 135 charter operation and have been working with the FAA for many year, and there are many steps working with them, NO doubt. So I am kind of use to the paperwork process. It sounds that I will most likely implement FAR part 67.401-Special inssuance of medical certificate. we will see. I have hope.
Best Regards
Steven]]>
But I don't believe that I have dug any hole with the FAA, quite the opposite in fact. They have been more than helpful. So far. I work for a part 135 charter operation and have been working with the FAA for many year, and there are many steps working with them, NO doubt. So I am kind of use to the paperwork process. It sounds that I will most likely implement FAR part 67.401-Special inssuance of medical certificate. we will see. I have hope.
Best Regards
Steven]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Hello from Texas :: Author flying_man]]> 2017-11-13T21:13:06-05:00 2017-11-13T21:13:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48220#p48220 My plans to become an airline pilot faded away by the time I graduated high school and then went off to get a B. Of Architecture in 2008. I just passed my final (of 7) architect registration exams and am in the works to start my office.
I'm 30 now and have been lurking around to see what's changed in general aviation since I stopped being current... WOW! So much has changed. The whole SPL and LSA thing blew up during my absence and I've been catching up over the last year. Not to mention the glass cockpit everywhere.
I'm hoping to start flying lessons within the next two years, considering starting with SPL first and then finish off for a PPL. My aim is to just travel the country a little here and there throughout the seasons and enjoy the sights and food.
I prefer low-wing planes and have not been disappointed with the options. My initial interests so far are the Arion lightning, Vans RV-12/14, and Bristell (my favorite so far). I just learned about the KLA-100 as well today on this forum. Let's hope business goes well, or that I win the lotto :roll:
Hope to keep being surprised as I head towards that SPL.]]>
My plans to become an airline pilot faded away by the time I graduated high school and then went off to get a B. Of Architecture in 2008. I just passed my final (of 7) architect registration exams and am in the works to start my office.
I'm 30 now and have been lurking around to see what's changed in general aviation since I stopped being current... WOW! So much has changed. The whole SPL and LSA thing blew up during my absence and I've been catching up over the last year. Not to mention the glass cockpit everywhere.
I'm hoping to start flying lessons within the next two years, considering starting with SPL first and then finish off for a PPL. My aim is to just travel the country a little here and there throughout the seasons and enjoy the sights and food.
I prefer low-wing planes and have not been disappointed with the options. My initial interests so far are the Arion lightning, Vans RV-12/14, and Bristell (my favorite so far). I just learned about the KLA-100 as well today on this forum. Let's hope business goes well, or that I win the lotto :roll:
Hope to keep being surprised as I head towards that SPL.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-13T21:20:26-05:00 2017-11-13T21:20:26-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48221#p48221 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-11-14T00:05:19-05:00 2017-11-14T00:05:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48222#p48222 There isn't much difference in terms of training requirements and if you are PP you can always fly LSA if that's what you prefer.
Personally, I went for SP despite being in my mid 40s and probably should have gone PP but in my case I always wanted to fly LSA to begin with ( pretty much fun flying only )

Certified planes are incredibly expensive - I wouldn't mind a modern design like DA40 but alas, beyond my price range - and yes, sure you can get a certified plane for 1/2 the price of an LSA but it will be about 40 years old and it will definitely look the part.

Certified GA market is essentially dead - the whole enterprise frankly reminds me of automotive markets in old commie countries ( still evident in places like Cuba) - a slow trickle of new designs available only to super-rich while everyone else desperately trying to keep their 40-50 year old cars running as long as possible ....]]>
There isn't much difference in terms of training requirements and if you are PP you can always fly LSA if that's what you prefer.
Personally, I went for SP despite being in my mid 40s and probably should have gone PP but in my case I always wanted to fly LSA to begin with ( pretty much fun flying only )

Certified planes are incredibly expensive - I wouldn't mind a modern design like DA40 but alas, beyond my price range - and yes, sure you can get a certified plane for 1/2 the price of an LSA but it will be about 40 years old and it will definitely look the part.

Certified GA market is essentially dead - the whole enterprise frankly reminds me of automotive markets in old commie countries ( still evident in places like Cuba) - a slow trickle of new designs available only to super-rich while everyone else desperately trying to keep their 40-50 year old cars running as long as possible ....]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-14T13:27:21-05:00 2017-11-14T14:30:43-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48224#p48224
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i05j3jlom5z6jl/panel.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.]]>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i05j3jlom5z6jl/panel.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Scooper]]> 2017-11-14T13:32:45-05:00 2017-11-14T13:32:45-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48225#p48225
Just my $.02.

Welcome to Sport Pilot Talk!]]>

Just my $.02.

Welcome to Sport Pilot Talk!]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-14T13:37:08-05:00 2017-11-14T13:37:08-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48226#p48226 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-11-14T14:10:57-05:00 2017-11-14T14:10:57-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48227#p48227
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-14T14:19:42-05:00 2017-11-14T14:19:42-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48228#p48228
Warmi wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.

That's incorrect. The technology is basically the same as it is today. It's not a plastic airplane and it doesn't have a glass cockpit, but otherwise nothing much has changed since Orville and Wilbur. Airplanes can be well cared for and last almost indefinitely. I doubt a current plastic LSA will last for 40 or 50 years.]]>
Warmi wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.

That's incorrect. The technology is basically the same as it is today. It's not a plastic airplane and it doesn't have a glass cockpit, but otherwise nothing much has changed since Orville and Wilbur. Airplanes can be well cared for and last almost indefinitely. I doubt a current plastic LSA will last for 40 or 50 years.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Scooper]]> 2017-11-14T14:56:53-05:00 2017-11-14T14:56:53-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48229#p48229
TimTaylor wrote:Whether or not you can continue to fly under Basic Med or LSA with a driver's license would depend on your health at the time. You cannot continue to fly if you have any condition that would make you unfit or unsafe to fly.

Absolutely true; perhaps incorrectly, I assumed everybody knows this.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:Whether or not you can continue to fly under Basic Med or LSA with a driver's license would depend on your health at the time. You cannot continue to fly if you have any condition that would make you unfit or unsafe to fly.

Absolutely true; perhaps incorrectly, I assumed everybody knows this.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-14T15:19:54-05:00 2017-11-14T15:19:54-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48230#p48230
Scooper wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Whether or not you can continue to fly under Basic Med or LSA with a driver's license would depend on your health at the time. You cannot continue to fly if you have any condition that would make you unfit or unsafe to fly.

Absolutely true; perhaps incorrectly, I assumed everybody knows this.

They probably do.]]>
Scooper wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Whether or not you can continue to fly under Basic Med or LSA with a driver's license would depend on your health at the time. You cannot continue to fly if you have any condition that would make you unfit or unsafe to fly.

Absolutely true; perhaps incorrectly, I assumed everybody knows this.

They probably do.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-11-14T15:20:17-05:00 2017-11-14T15:20:17-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48231#p48231
TimTaylor wrote:
Warmi wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.

That's incorrect. The technology is basically the same as it is today. It's not a plastic airplane and it doesn't have a glass cockpit, but otherwise nothing much has changed since Orville and Wilbur. Airplanes can be well cared for and last almost indefinitely. I doubt a current plastic LSA will last for 40 or 50 years.


Technology is not the same , not by a long shot . You could say the same thing about cars but , beyond tiny and specialized antique markets, nobody in their right mind would even bother looking at buying and maintaining cars from 1960s or 70s ( except people who don't have any other choice , ie in Cuba and similar hell holes)
And why not ? At the basic level a car from 1960s will probably go just as fast and will take you just as far as any modern car but it is the other things ( safety , efficiency , comfort ) that make all the difference.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
Warmi wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:Here' my friends 1968 Mooney M20C. I would rather own this than any LSA. Unfortunately, I can no longer fly it since I don't have a medical.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw36k07ow7ihus4/mooney.jpg?dl=0

It's for sale, by the way, on Barnstormers.


Yes, it can do more than an LSA because the plane itself is in a different class, but it is still ancient 1960s technology - the only reason these things are being sold and bought outside of niche antiques markets is because feds ( with their insane regulations ) and lawyers made everything newer so expensive as to completely unapproachable to anyone but millionaires.

That's incorrect. The technology is basically the same as it is today. It's not a plastic airplane and it doesn't have a glass cockpit, but otherwise nothing much has changed since Orville and Wilbur. Airplanes can be well cared for and last almost indefinitely. I doubt a current plastic LSA will last for 40 or 50 years.


Technology is not the same , not by a long shot . You could say the same thing about cars but , beyond tiny and specialized antique markets, nobody in their right mind would even bother looking at buying and maintaining cars from 1960s or 70s ( except people who don't have any other choice , ie in Cuba and similar hell holes)
And why not ? At the basic level a car from 1960s will probably go just as fast and will take you just as far as any modern car but it is the other things ( safety , efficiency , comfort ) that make all the difference.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-14T16:07:19-05:00 2017-11-14T16:07:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48232#p48232 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by akroguy]]> 2017-11-14T17:03:32-05:00 2017-11-14T17:03:32-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48233#p48233
Warmi wrote:I would say , go for PP.
There isn't much difference in terms of training requirements and if you are PP you can always fly LSA if that's what you prefer.
Personally, I went for SP despite being in my mid 40s and probably should have gone PP but in my case I always wanted to fly LSA to begin with ( pretty much fun flying only )

Certified planes are incredibly expensive - I wouldn't mind a modern design like DA40 but alas, beyond my price range - and yes, sure you can get a certified plane for 1/2 the price of an LSA but it will be about 40 years old and it will definitely look the part.

Certified GA market is essentially dead - the whole enterprise frankly reminds me of automotive markets in old commie countries ( still evident in places like Cuba) - a slow trickle of new designs available only to super-rich while everyone else desperately trying to keep their 40-50 year old cars running as long as possible ....


Solid advice, and I concur. You sure can get a legacy certified spam can for much less than a modern LSA, but you'll be constantly dealing with everything being old, rough, hard to work on, and with TSO'd parts that are straight out of the stone age that cost waaaaay too much. My C-180 was turning into a money pit, TBO looming over the horizon (to keep it viable for sale, if anything else...still running great though).

Going SLSA is proving a nice alternative for me on many levels. I do miss that horsepower though. Although, I'm re-learning to fly the wing, and not just hang it on the engine. I absolutely do NOT miss the fueling hassle....ladder, hauling the hose up there (had big tires) and it needed a lot of it! Just taking a couple 5 gallon cans to the local station, filling up with premium and topping off the Sportstar is super easy and cheap(er).

I would equate the two as being the Miata vs. Suburban of the light aviation world. One gets the work done, but the other one is a HELLUVA lot more fun.

Brian
'06 Evektor Sportstar]]>
Warmi wrote:I would say , go for PP.
There isn't much difference in terms of training requirements and if you are PP you can always fly LSA if that's what you prefer.
Personally, I went for SP despite being in my mid 40s and probably should have gone PP but in my case I always wanted to fly LSA to begin with ( pretty much fun flying only )

Certified planes are incredibly expensive - I wouldn't mind a modern design like DA40 but alas, beyond my price range - and yes, sure you can get a certified plane for 1/2 the price of an LSA but it will be about 40 years old and it will definitely look the part.

Certified GA market is essentially dead - the whole enterprise frankly reminds me of automotive markets in old commie countries ( still evident in places like Cuba) - a slow trickle of new designs available only to super-rich while everyone else desperately trying to keep their 40-50 year old cars running as long as possible ....


Solid advice, and I concur. You sure can get a legacy certified spam can for much less than a modern LSA, but you'll be constantly dealing with everything being old, rough, hard to work on, and with TSO'd parts that are straight out of the stone age that cost waaaaay too much. My C-180 was turning into a money pit, TBO looming over the horizon (to keep it viable for sale, if anything else...still running great though).

Going SLSA is proving a nice alternative for me on many levels. I do miss that horsepower though. Although, I'm re-learning to fly the wing, and not just hang it on the engine. I absolutely do NOT miss the fueling hassle....ladder, hauling the hose up there (had big tires) and it needed a lot of it! Just taking a couple 5 gallon cans to the local station, filling up with premium and topping off the Sportstar is super easy and cheap(er).

I would equate the two as being the Miata vs. Suburban of the light aviation world. One gets the work done, but the other one is a HELLUVA lot more fun.

Brian
'06 Evektor Sportstar]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: Hello from Texas :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-11-15T06:58:09-05:00 2017-11-15T06:58:09-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4936&p=48234#p48234
Change of spark plug? $260 for GA vs $56 for LSA.

Vacuum pump go out? $260-$1000 for GA vs don't have one LSA.

I needed a bearing for a 1960 generator. $29 for 'aircraft' or $1.50 for non-aircraft. (guess which one I got :lol: )

Will composite LSAs hold up over time? Yes and No. UV is their enemy, so yes if you cover or hanger them. No if you don't :| But UV is also the enemy of fabric covered aircraft too.]]>

Change of spark plug? $260 for GA vs $56 for LSA.

Vacuum pump go out? $260-$1000 for GA vs don't have one LSA.

I needed a bearing for a 1960 generator. $29 for 'aircraft' or $1.50 for non-aircraft. (guess which one I got :lol: )

Will composite LSAs hold up over time? Yes and No. UV is their enemy, so yes if you cover or hanger them. No if you don't :| But UV is also the enemy of fabric covered aircraft too.]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: New member from KRYY, Kennesaw GA :: Author RBearden56]]> 2017-12-08T17:17:13-05:00 2017-12-08T17:17:13-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48337#p48337 I still have a bit of a time wrapping my mind around why does a private pilot need a medical when a LSP is almost the same with the restrictions. I would like it if they drop the class 3 medical and allow pilots whop acquire hours to fly larger aircraft (my Allegro is larger and faster than a Cessna 150/152) and carry more than one passenger. Does a small dog in a carry on bag count when my wife flies with me? I think that if they did that they could treat it like flying into class D, C or B airspace, with proper training, establish required hours, and a log book endorsement, or check ride. My first trainer was a Beechcraft B19 Sport. 150hp engine and 4 place aircraft heavier that 600Kg but not much faster, if at all. There are LSA around for less than 50K so if airworthy a good buy and courses available to do maintenance under the LSRM and if experimental you can do your own annuals under the LSRI cert.
Look forward to completing the training and going to some airshows or Oshkosh...
Randy]]>
I still have a bit of a time wrapping my mind around why does a private pilot need a medical when a LSP is almost the same with the restrictions. I would like it if they drop the class 3 medical and allow pilots whop acquire hours to fly larger aircraft (my Allegro is larger and faster than a Cessna 150/152) and carry more than one passenger. Does a small dog in a carry on bag count when my wife flies with me? I think that if they did that they could treat it like flying into class D, C or B airspace, with proper training, establish required hours, and a log book endorsement, or check ride. My first trainer was a Beechcraft B19 Sport. 150hp engine and 4 place aircraft heavier that 600Kg but not much faster, if at all. There are LSA around for less than 50K so if airworthy a good buy and courses available to do maintenance under the LSRM and if experimental you can do your own annuals under the LSRI cert.
Look forward to completing the training and going to some airshows or Oshkosh...
Randy]]>
<![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New member from KRYY, Kennesaw GA :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T17:26:36-05:00 2017-12-08T17:26:36-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48338#p48338 <![CDATA[Introduce Yourself! :: Re: New member from KRYY, Kennesaw GA :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-12-09T07:13:01-05:00 2017-12-09T07:13:01-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4947&p=48364#p48364
The difference between Private Pilot and Sport Pilot is bureaucratic control! After 25 years of service, and thank you for that, I would think you recognized it :D

After years of lip service about the Basic Medical proposal, it took Congress to force the FAA into action.

Again, welcome aboard and looking forward to your posts.]]>

The difference between Private Pilot and Sport Pilot is bureaucratic control! After 25 years of service, and thank you for that, I would think you recognized it :D

After years of lip service about the Basic Medical proposal, it took Congress to force the FAA into action.

Again, welcome aboard and looking forward to your posts.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-11-15T17:06:43-05:00 2017-11-15T17:06:43-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48235#p48235
Glad to have you in the ranks :D]]>

Glad to have you in the ranks :D]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: New Private Pilot :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-15T18:14:24-05:00 2017-11-15T18:14:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&p=48236#p48236
If you feel like a trip to the mountains, remember us in Copperhll, TN!]]>

If you feel like a trip to the mountains, remember us in Copperhll, TN!]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: $100 Pancakes :: Author rcpilot]]> 2017-12-03T07:59:05-05:00 2017-12-03T07:59:05-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48315#p48315
We must have overwhelmed the tower a bit(12 people confirmed they were going). After I terminated my flight following I tried contacting the tower between their calls to other planes to no avail. I made a 360 to avoid entering the class D and still couldn't get their attention. After another 360 I get them and I'm #3 in the pattern. Geez.

Nice bunch of people(my former classmate wasn't able to make it). Food(I had the banana walnut pancakes) and conversation was good. Trip back was uneventful. It's nice having somewhere to go so I'll have to do this more often(although my plane is a bit drafty and it's not getting any warmer). So if you are in this neck of the woods, KPOU is a nice place to stop for a bite to eat.]]>

We must have overwhelmed the tower a bit(12 people confirmed they were going). After I terminated my flight following I tried contacting the tower between their calls to other planes to no avail. I made a 360 to avoid entering the class D and still couldn't get their attention. After another 360 I get them and I'm #3 in the pattern. Geez.

Nice bunch of people(my former classmate wasn't able to make it). Food(I had the banana walnut pancakes) and conversation was good. Trip back was uneventful. It's nice having somewhere to go so I'll have to do this more often(although my plane is a bit drafty and it's not getting any warmer). So if you are in this neck of the woods, KPOU is a nice place to stop for a bite to eat.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: $100 Pancakes :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-12-03T11:46:52-05:00 2017-12-03T11:46:52-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48316#p48316 ). Being one of the "80%" is a real bummer.]]> ). Being one of the "80%" is a real bummer.]]> <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: $100 Pancakes :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-03T13:15:39-05:00 2017-12-03T13:15:39-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4943&p=48317#p48317 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Maybe You Didn't Know... :: Author HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-12-07T11:24:58-05:00 2017-12-07T11:24:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48326#p48326 https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... 1208epilot]]> https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... 1208epilot]]> <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Maybe You Didn't Know... :: Reply by pjdavis]]> 2017-12-07T18:26:51-05:00 2017-12-07T18:26:51-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4946&p=48329#p48329
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<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Ramp Apes :: Author Jim Hardin]]> 2017-12-09T07:57:17-05:00 2017-12-09T07:57:17-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4948&p=48366#p48366
I heard a helicopter make a few blind calls as he approached the field. Next thing, a ramp ape bursts in cussing about the helicopter taxiing too close to the building/parked aircraft and demand the girl at the desk call him! I am pretty sure that anyone driving a turbine helicopter is aware of their powerful wake and their responsibilities. By then the pilot was busy with his passengers and not on the radio.

As he taxied out to leave the ramp ape grabs the mike and makes contact. He proceeds to berate the pilot and finishes with "... then don't come the F--- back here".

I was not in a position to actually see what was going on, but I don't think this is the guy you want as your ambassador.

At least it was offset when I came back from the sim and found my wife had cornered 3 locals and were talking about an earlier era of aviation. They also recommended a good nearby place to eat :P

The sim was a Cirrus and I'll go back when I can to try out a real one. AND to take another crack at those scallops!]]>

I heard a helicopter make a few blind calls as he approached the field. Next thing, a ramp ape bursts in cussing about the helicopter taxiing too close to the building/parked aircraft and demand the girl at the desk call him! I am pretty sure that anyone driving a turbine helicopter is aware of their powerful wake and their responsibilities. By then the pilot was busy with his passengers and not on the radio.

As he taxied out to leave the ramp ape grabs the mike and makes contact. He proceeds to berate the pilot and finishes with "... then don't come the F--- back here".

I was not in a position to actually see what was going on, but I don't think this is the guy you want as your ambassador.

At least it was offset when I came back from the sim and found my wife had cornered 3 locals and were talking about an earlier era of aviation. They also recommended a good nearby place to eat :P

The sim was a Cirrus and I'll go back when I can to try out a real one. AND to take another crack at those scallops!]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Author N918KT]]> 2017-12-07T10:58:18-05:00 2017-12-07T10:58:18-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48325#p48325
Particularly, I am wondering for those of you who decided to become a sport pilot because of having issues with getting a 3rd class medical for private pilot, were you comfortable stating that reason to your fellow pilots or CFI? How did they react? Did they encourage you to still jump through hoops to get a 3rd class medical? Did they even question what medical condition you have that would prevent you getting a 3rd class and were you comfortable answering that question to them?

If not, did you explain to them you became a sport pilot because it was easier or cheaper (which may or may not be true) or for any other reasons without explaining the fact you have an issue with getting a medical?]]>

Particularly, I am wondering for those of you who decided to become a sport pilot because of having issues with getting a 3rd class medical for private pilot, were you comfortable stating that reason to your fellow pilots or CFI? How did they react? Did they encourage you to still jump through hoops to get a 3rd class medical? Did they even question what medical condition you have that would prevent you getting a 3rd class and were you comfortable answering that question to them?

If not, did you explain to them you became a sport pilot because it was easier or cheaper (which may or may not be true) or for any other reasons without explaining the fact you have an issue with getting a medical?]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-07T14:22:57-05:00 2017-12-07T14:22:57-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48327#p48327 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by rcpilot]]> 2017-12-07T15:45:21-05:00 2017-12-07T15:45:21-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48328#p48328 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-12-08T08:59:39-05:00 2017-12-08T08:59:39-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48332#p48332
In my case the annual burden, cost, uncertainty and over-diagnosis and over-treatment of recurring kidney stones. I was never denied the Special Issuance for my medical, but what a hassle.

A lot of that has been alleviated with BasicMed, for those of us lucky enough to have held a medical in the last 10 years. I can easily tell if and when a stone might be a problem, and its nice the FAA allows me the latitude to ground myself only when I suspect there's an issue.

I just feel "blessed" that at an age where some of these relatively minor medical issues become problematical, the FAA has found a way for me to stay in the air, and now to fly a wider variety of aircraft.

Though my heart remains with Light Sport!]]>

In my case the annual burden, cost, uncertainty and over-diagnosis and over-treatment of recurring kidney stones. I was never denied the Special Issuance for my medical, but what a hassle.

A lot of that has been alleviated with BasicMed, for those of us lucky enough to have held a medical in the last 10 years. I can easily tell if and when a stone might be a problem, and its nice the FAA allows me the latitude to ground myself only when I suspect there's an issue.

I just feel "blessed" that at an age where some of these relatively minor medical issues become problematical, the FAA has found a way for me to stay in the air, and now to fly a wider variety of aircraft.

Though my heart remains with Light Sport!]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-12-08T10:34:41-05:00 2017-12-08T10:34:41-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48333#p48333
Of course, you can tell from some folks voice tone when they talk about "flying on a driver license", that they have invested a lot into navigating insane bureaucratic maze created by the FAA (for general aviation) and look at the Sport License as a lesser , or cheating , way of getting into aviation but who cares ...

There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.]]>

Of course, you can tell from some folks voice tone when they talk about "flying on a driver license", that they have invested a lot into navigating insane bureaucratic maze created by the FAA (for general aviation) and look at the Sport License as a lesser , or cheating , way of getting into aviation but who cares ...

There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Merlinspop]]> 2017-12-08T12:30:00-05:00 2017-12-08T12:30:00-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48335#p48335 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by pjdavis]]> 2017-12-08T16:52:03-05:00 2017-12-08T16:52:03-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48336#p48336 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-08T20:09:59-05:00 2017-12-08T20:09:59-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48339#p48339
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.]]>
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-08T20:12:34-05:00 2017-12-08T20:12:34-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48340#p48340
Merlinspop wrote:Just tell them that it lasted more than four hours and you sought immediate medical attention... they'll drop the subject and never bring it up again.



Or tell them....

"Bruce Jenner's SI cost $30,000 and that's too rich for me."]]>
Merlinspop wrote:Just tell them that it lasted more than four hours and you sought immediate medical attention... they'll drop the subject and never bring it up again.



Or tell them....

"Bruce Jenner's SI cost $30,000 and that's too rich for me."]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T20:19:19-05:00 2017-12-08T20:19:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48341#p48341
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.


Right wing BS.]]>
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.


Right wing BS.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-08T20:35:17-05:00 2017-12-08T20:35:17-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48342#p48342
TimTaylor wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.


Right wing BS.



Typical left wing argument.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.


Right wing BS.



Typical left wing argument.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T20:40:51-05:00 2017-12-08T20:40:51-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48343#p48343 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Scooper]]> 2017-12-08T21:00:23-05:00 2017-12-08T21:00:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48344#p48344 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-08T21:54:38-05:00 2017-12-08T21:54:38-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48345#p48345
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-08T22:00:39-05:00 2017-12-08T22:00:39-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48346#p48346
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.



My comments were directed at the FAA's silliness and also at getting nosy people who ask nosy questions to keep their noses out of other people's business. Is that political in your mind? If so, oh well - then I guess it's political, though it's beyond me how you get "right wing" out of it.

The AOPA and the EAA lobbied for years to do away with the medical. They failed. Basic Med was a weak compromise, and they don't seem to be expending any serious effort to do better. I don't hold out any hope of a having a DL medical for anything beyond Sport Pilot.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.



My comments were directed at the FAA's silliness and also at getting nosy people who ask nosy questions to keep their noses out of other people's business. Is that political in your mind? If so, oh well - then I guess it's political, though it's beyond me how you get "right wing" out of it.

The AOPA and the EAA lobbied for years to do away with the medical. They failed. Basic Med was a weak compromise, and they don't seem to be expending any serious effort to do better. I don't hold out any hope of a having a DL medical for anything beyond Sport Pilot.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T22:11:53-05:00 2017-12-08T22:18:35-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48347#p48347
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.]]>
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T22:14:25-05:00 2017-12-08T22:14:25-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48349#p48349
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.

This is clearly a right-wing political opinion. You are free to express it and I am free to respond.]]>
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.

This is clearly a right-wing political opinion. You are free to express it and I am free to respond.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-08T22:44:01-05:00 2017-12-08T22:44:01-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48350#p48350
TimTaylor wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.

This is clearly a right-wing political opinion. You are free to express it and I am free to respond.



You are free to enjoy left wing paranoia, seeing a vast right wing conspiracy behind every post, just as I am free to ignore you.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
Half Fast wrote:
Warmi wrote:
There will be a time when all recreational ( not commercial ) GA flying will be based on a driver license simply because it makes sense just as it does for driving - there is not much more damage a pilot with a in-flight heart attack flying in a 2000 lbs plane can do than the same guy driving on a highway could do - in fact it may be less since most flying is done over non-populated areas vs driving which almost always done within either cities or with other drivers close by.



You're quite an optimist.

If the Feds were in charge of driver's licenses, instead of the states, you'd need a Class 1 to drive a car, and probably a Class 3 to ride a bicycle.

This is clearly a right-wing political opinion. You are free to express it and I am free to respond.



You are free to enjoy left wing paranoia, seeing a vast right wing conspiracy behind every post, just as I am free to ignore you.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T22:45:52-05:00 2017-12-08T22:45:52-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48351#p48351 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-08T23:04:39-05:00 2017-12-08T23:04:39-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48352#p48352
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.


Tim or what ever your name is. I am free to comment just like you. I am just calling it like I see it. You have gone off on countless people for making what you think are political statements. As for following you around, I have been a active member here and on ctflier using the same username trying to offer positive comentary since before you joined the first time, second time, third time, and so on and so on. I don't know what other forums you are on or have been kicked off of, but I certainly am not following you around.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.


Tim or what ever your name is. I am free to comment just like you. I am just calling it like I see it. You have gone off on countless people for making what you think are political statements. As for following you around, I have been a active member here and on ctflier using the same username trying to offer positive comentary since before you joined the first time, second time, third time, and so on and so on. I don't know what other forums you are on or have been kicked off of, but I certainly am not following you around.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-08T23:21:58-05:00 2017-12-08T23:21:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48353#p48353
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.


Why do I chime in with my opinion? Well because I think of this forum as a home. I know it is not just my home, but a home none the less. Unlike my home where I would show you the door for your actions, I feel making a coment is the only recourse I have. If you don't like my "self richeous shit" as you call it, stop turning everything into a right wing conspiracy.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:So why did you introduce a political comment into this thread? Probably two if I understood your comment about Bruce Jenner.


Why is it that you always try and turn an innocuous statement into some political conspiracy? Pretty much the only time there is a political brouhaha on here is when you think you have been offended. There has certainly been a few times it has been unwarranted.

Why do you always chime in with your opinions? When a right winger starts criticizing the FAA, I am free to comment. So, stop with your self-righteous shit. For some reason you follow me around the internet and express your opinion with I express a complaint about right-wing post.


Why do I chime in with my opinion? Well because I think of this forum as a home. I know it is not just my home, but a home none the less. Unlike my home where I would show you the door for your actions, I feel making a coment is the only recourse I have. If you don't like my "self richeous shit" as you call it, stop turning everything into a right wing conspiracy.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T23:31:55-05:00 2017-12-08T23:31:55-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48354#p48354 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> 2017-12-08T23:54:47-05:00 2017-12-08T23:54:47-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48355#p48355
TimTaylor wrote:Donald Trump is an idiot.

He is also the President of the United States of America. Get used to it.
You are acting like a left-wing whacko.
Grow up.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:Donald Trump is an idiot.

He is also the President of the United States of America. Get used to it.
You are acting like a left-wing whacko.
Grow up.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-08T23:58:07-05:00 2017-12-09T00:16:50-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48356#p48356 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-09T00:05:58-05:00 2017-12-09T00:05:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48357#p48357
TimTaylor wrote:Donald Trump is an idiot. This is not a left-wing political statement, so please don't take it that way. And just to keep this on the topic of aviation, privatization of ATC is a bad idea.


OK what ever. I can't say I am in complete disagreement. You saying something like that is not what I have an issue with, but I'm certain that if someone had said that with the previous administration you would have blown a gasket. What I take issue with is when you jump on someone for making a simple statement and trying to turn it into some big political BS. I remember you having a major meltdown over someone saying "the past 7 years". IIRC they were talking about something completely non political, but you tried to twist it into an attack on Obama.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:Donald Trump is an idiot. This is not a left-wing political statement, so please don't take it that way. And just to keep this on the topic of aviation, privatization of ATC is a bad idea.


OK what ever. I can't say I am in complete disagreement. You saying something like that is not what I have an issue with, but I'm certain that if someone had said that with the previous administration you would have blown a gasket. What I take issue with is when you jump on someone for making a simple statement and trying to turn it into some big political BS. I remember you having a major meltdown over someone saying "the past 7 years". IIRC they were talking about something completely non political, but you tried to twist it into an attack on Obama.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T00:22:04-05:00 2017-12-09T00:22:04-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48358#p48358 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> 2017-12-09T01:02:15-05:00 2017-12-09T01:02:15-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48359#p48359
TimTaylor wrote:It is clear that the majority of posters on these sport pilot web sites are Republicans.
Where is your proof of that?
TimTaylor wrote:They are the ones that can afford to purchase a new LSA.
That is a baseless accusation.
TimTaylor wrote:So, every so often, someone makes a snarky comment that is derogatory toward Democrats or the values of Democrats. I, being one of the few Democrats here, choose to call them out.
On the contrary, many times I have read some questionable posts with tongue in cheek. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe sometimes they are just humoring us?
TimTaylor wrote:Tearing down the federal government and it's agencies is right out of the Republican game plan. "We're going to shrink the federal government until we can drown it in the bathtub." I never introduce political rhetoric, I just react to it.
I have to disagree with you there. There are times when we have seen you interject a definite political angle when there was no call for it, other than to startle the gallery.
Stop taking yourself so seriously. Lighten up a little. You seem to carry a very large chip on your shoulder. Isn't it time to brush it off a little?

Oh, and by the way . . . I am not a Republican.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:It is clear that the majority of posters on these sport pilot web sites are Republicans.
Where is your proof of that?
TimTaylor wrote:They are the ones that can afford to purchase a new LSA.
That is a baseless accusation.
TimTaylor wrote:So, every so often, someone makes a snarky comment that is derogatory toward Democrats or the values of Democrats. I, being one of the few Democrats here, choose to call them out.
On the contrary, many times I have read some questionable posts with tongue in cheek. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe sometimes they are just humoring us?
TimTaylor wrote:Tearing down the federal government and it's agencies is right out of the Republican game plan. "We're going to shrink the federal government until we can drown it in the bathtub." I never introduce political rhetoric, I just react to it.
I have to disagree with you there. There are times when we have seen you interject a definite political angle when there was no call for it, other than to startle the gallery.
Stop taking yourself so seriously. Lighten up a little. You seem to carry a very large chip on your shoulder. Isn't it time to brush it off a little?

Oh, and by the way . . . I am not a Republican.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T01:13:26-05:00 2017-12-09T01:13:26-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48360#p48360 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> 2017-12-09T01:15:52-05:00 2017-12-09T01:25:29-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48361#p48361
TimTaylor wrote:I take politics very seriously. It's not a game, it's our future and the future of our kids and grandchildren. There is no chip on my shoulder. I don't like watching our country be destroyed by Trump and the Republicans. Maybe you should pay attention and get your head out of your ass.

You are a very angry person. May God help you.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:I take politics very seriously. It's not a game, it's our future and the future of our kids and grandchildren. There is no chip on my shoulder. I don't like watching our country be destroyed by Trump and the Republicans. Maybe you should pay attention and get your head out of your ass.

You are a very angry person. May God help you.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T01:17:08-05:00 2017-12-09T01:17:08-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48362#p48362 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Wm.Ince]]> 2017-12-09T01:31:40-05:00 2017-12-09T01:31:40-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48363#p48363
TimTaylor wrote:God has blessed me, no thanks to you. And I resent you using God in a personal attack. Typical. What a hypocrit you are.

Ah . . yes . . resentments!
That's like drinking the poisen and expecting the other person to die.
Good luck with that.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:God has blessed me, no thanks to you. And I resent you using God in a personal attack. Typical. What a hypocrit you are.

Ah . . yes . . resentments!
That's like drinking the poisen and expecting the other person to die.
Good luck with that.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-12-09T07:22:32-05:00 2017-12-09T07:22:32-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48365#p48365 ~ they should have those on the ramp as well.

But I have self grounded recently while I undergo another round of therapy until my reactions can be identified. Agent Orange is the gift that keeps on giving...]]>
~ they should have those on the ramp as well.

But I have self grounded recently while I undergo another round of therapy until my reactions can be identified. Agent Orange is the gift that keeps on giving...]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T11:15:57-05:00 2017-12-09T11:15:57-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48367#p48367 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by pjdavis]]> 2017-12-09T13:56:23-05:00 2017-12-09T13:56:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48368#p48368
Leave these arguments on FB...]]>

Leave these arguments on FB...]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-09T14:03:58-05:00 2017-12-09T14:03:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48369#p48369
TimTaylor wrote:It is clear that the majority of posters on these sport pilot web sites are Republicans. They are the ones that can afford to purchase a new LSA. That is even more evident on CTFliers than here. So, every so often, someone makes a snarky comment that is derogatory toward Democrats or the values of Democrats. I, being one of the few Democrats here, choose to call them out. That's all. Tearing down the federal government and it's agencies is right out of the Republican game plan. "We're going to shrink the federal government until we can drown it in the bathtub." I never introduce political rhetoric, I just react to it.


I wouldn't say that I am a Democrat or Republican, though my personal views lean more to the conservative side. I don't make directly political comments, but I may state my opinion regardless of which side it favors. After all pilots are often opinionated.

That being said this is a aviation forum that deals with light sport aircraft and sport pilots. The reason I am here is because I own, fly, instruct in, and perform maintenance on light sport aircraft. I look at the other members here in the same light. I certainly don't think of other forum members as Democrat or Republican. Most who post here don't even make me think about them in a political point of view. They are here for the same reason I am, aviation, and specifically light sport aviation.

I think you are wrong on your assessment that most of the forum members are republicans. Most don't make their political affiliation known. They are here because of aviation, not political affiliation.

Personally I don't care that you are a democrat, as long as you keep your post civil and for the most part aviation related. I was OK with you talking about your car. The issue I have is that your hatred of people who you assume are republicans has made you so bigoted that you see attacks where there are none. This thread is a good example. Someone made a simple comment based on personal observation. Without knowing their political affiliation, because of your political bias and bigotry you attacked them, calling it a political assault. I certainly didn't see it as an attack, and I doubt most other forum members did either.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:It is clear that the majority of posters on these sport pilot web sites are Republicans. They are the ones that can afford to purchase a new LSA. That is even more evident on CTFliers than here. So, every so often, someone makes a snarky comment that is derogatory toward Democrats or the values of Democrats. I, being one of the few Democrats here, choose to call them out. That's all. Tearing down the federal government and it's agencies is right out of the Republican game plan. "We're going to shrink the federal government until we can drown it in the bathtub." I never introduce political rhetoric, I just react to it.


I wouldn't say that I am a Democrat or Republican, though my personal views lean more to the conservative side. I don't make directly political comments, but I may state my opinion regardless of which side it favors. After all pilots are often opinionated.

That being said this is a aviation forum that deals with light sport aircraft and sport pilots. The reason I am here is because I own, fly, instruct in, and perform maintenance on light sport aircraft. I look at the other members here in the same light. I certainly don't think of other forum members as Democrat or Republican. Most who post here don't even make me think about them in a political point of view. They are here for the same reason I am, aviation, and specifically light sport aviation.

I think you are wrong on your assessment that most of the forum members are republicans. Most don't make their political affiliation known. They are here because of aviation, not political affiliation.

Personally I don't care that you are a democrat, as long as you keep your post civil and for the most part aviation related. I was OK with you talking about your car. The issue I have is that your hatred of people who you assume are republicans has made you so bigoted that you see attacks where there are none. This thread is a good example. Someone made a simple comment based on personal observation. Without knowing their political affiliation, because of your political bias and bigotry you attacked them, calling it a political assault. I certainly didn't see it as an attack, and I doubt most other forum members did either.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T14:30:57-05:00 2017-12-09T14:30:57-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48370#p48370 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> 2017-12-09T14:55:04-05:00 2017-12-09T14:55:04-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48371#p48371
I'm a relative newbie, but isn't this the website where they talk about airplane stuff?]]>

I'm a relative newbie, but isn't this the website where they talk about airplane stuff?]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-09T15:17:35-05:00 2017-12-09T15:17:35-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48372#p48372
chicagorandy wrote:And I used think decades ago that my children got into some silly arguments back and forth.

I'm a relative newbie, but isn't this the website where they talk about airplane stuff?



I suggest you put TimTaylor on your ignore list, as I have. If enough of us ignore him, it will be as if he isn't here and we can get back to discussing shiny flying objects and those who pilot them.]]>
chicagorandy wrote:And I used think decades ago that my children got into some silly arguments back and forth.

I'm a relative newbie, but isn't this the website where they talk about airplane stuff?



I suggest you put TimTaylor on your ignore list, as I have. If enough of us ignore him, it will be as if he isn't here and we can get back to discussing shiny flying objects and those who pilot them.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T15:42:32-05:00 2017-12-09T15:42:32-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48373#p48373 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-09T15:45:20-05:00 2017-12-09T15:45:20-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48374#p48374
TimTaylor wrote:My best friend and flying buddy is a Republican. We just agree not to discuss politics and/or push each other's buttons on the issues.


Maybe you should treat this forum like you and your friends relationship. I don't think anyone here is trying to push your buttons, except for me on occasion. :wink: I don't think anyone here is making secret snarky attacks on the Democrats.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:My best friend and flying buddy is a Republican. We just agree not to discuss politics and/or push each other's buttons on the issues.


Maybe you should treat this forum like you and your friends relationship. I don't think anyone here is trying to push your buttons, except for me on occasion. :wink: I don't think anyone here is making secret snarky attacks on the Democrats.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-09T15:47:28-05:00 2017-12-09T15:47:28-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48375#p48375 <![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by WDD]]> 2017-12-11T20:25:54-05:00 2017-12-11T20:25:54-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48381#p48381
New guy to flying here. Just passed my written (95%) and am now looking for an instructor. Why not a PPL? Seems to be the question every local CFI asked me.

Seems Sport Pilots aren't real pilots, you can only fly around your home airport, you can never rent a plane, "we don't teach that", there are only 150 recreational pilots which means this type of license is no good, you can only fly tiny clown car planes, and something else about causing global warming. Think about it. I tell them I want to give them money to rent their airplane and pay them to teach me, and I see their planes aren't flying all the time and instructors need hours to get their commercial. And they'd rather not.

Net-net, the GA community around here not very friendly, and not on your side. So no, I'm not going to discuss anything about my health, background, reasons for flying, what kind of car I drive - nothing besides my name, rank, and serial number. Why would I?

So it seems that if you have kidney stones you can't get a medical? What about a plantar wart on your foot? And that is the other reason I'm doing Sport. I get the sense that if I sneeze the wrong way I'm barred for life from getting a 3rd class, and barred for life from a Sport Pilot license.]]>

New guy to flying here. Just passed my written (95%) and am now looking for an instructor. Why not a PPL? Seems to be the question every local CFI asked me.

Seems Sport Pilots aren't real pilots, you can only fly around your home airport, you can never rent a plane, "we don't teach that", there are only 150 recreational pilots which means this type of license is no good, you can only fly tiny clown car planes, and something else about causing global warming. Think about it. I tell them I want to give them money to rent their airplane and pay them to teach me, and I see their planes aren't flying all the time and instructors need hours to get their commercial. And they'd rather not.

Net-net, the GA community around here not very friendly, and not on your side. So no, I'm not going to discuss anything about my health, background, reasons for flying, what kind of car I drive - nothing besides my name, rank, and serial number. Why would I?

So it seems that if you have kidney stones you can't get a medical? What about a plantar wart on your foot? And that is the other reason I'm doing Sport. I get the sense that if I sneeze the wrong way I'm barred for life from getting a 3rd class, and barred for life from a Sport Pilot license.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-12-11T20:44:47-05:00 2017-12-11T20:44:47-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48382#p48382
True, there are only 5 K or so pure Sport Pilots out there but there are many , many more PP pilots flying under SP license so , overall, I think this new license was more reasonable "design" ( albeit still by a committee and it still shows :-) ) .]]>

True, there are only 5 K or so pure Sport Pilots out there but there are many , many more PP pilots flying under SP license so , overall, I think this new license was more reasonable "design" ( albeit still by a committee and it still shows :-) ) .]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-12-12T08:01:00-05:00 2017-12-12T08:01:00-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48395#p48395
WDD wrote:So.... back to the topic....
So it seems that if you have kidney stones you can't get a medical?


To be fair, stones of a certain size in certain locations are not disqualifying - I flew for a couple decades with Special Issuances with various small stones rattling around.

The problem was the annual hassle, expense and uncertainty determining the sizes and locations of said stones. And possible over-treatment if and when someone other than my urologist decided a certain stone was problematical.

I still track them, but the fly/no fly decision is between me and my urologist.

The same thing is true for many other conditions. BasicMed after just one successful Medical is a bit more convoluted than the simple driver’s license of Sport Pilots, but still a huge step for many of us.

As an aside, I feel “blessed” that kidney stones are my biggest recurring health issue. They’re not exactly fun, but are still basically a “plumbing problem” for which the treatment is pretty straightforward - and a lot less traumatic than in the 1980’s!]]>
WDD wrote:So.... back to the topic....
So it seems that if you have kidney stones you can't get a medical?


To be fair, stones of a certain size in certain locations are not disqualifying - I flew for a couple decades with Special Issuances with various small stones rattling around.

The problem was the annual hassle, expense and uncertainty determining the sizes and locations of said stones. And possible over-treatment if and when someone other than my urologist decided a certain stone was problematical.

I still track them, but the fly/no fly decision is between me and my urologist.

The same thing is true for many other conditions. BasicMed after just one successful Medical is a bit more convoluted than the simple driver’s license of Sport Pilots, but still a huge step for many of us.

As an aside, I feel “blessed” that kidney stones are my biggest recurring health issue. They’re not exactly fun, but are still basically a “plumbing problem” for which the treatment is pretty straightforward - and a lot less traumatic than in the 1980’s!]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-12-12T08:17:07-05:00 2017-12-12T08:17:07-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48396#p48396
WDD wrote:So.... back to the topic.

New guy to flying here. Just passed my written (95%) and am now looking for an instructor. Why not a PPL? Seems to be the question every local CFI asked me.

Seems Sport Pilots aren't real pilots, you can only fly around your home airport, you can never rent a plane, "we don't teach that", there are only 150 recreational pilots which means this type of license is no good, you can only fly tiny clown car planes, and something else about causing global warming. Think about it. I tell them I want to give them money to rent their airplane and pay them to teach me, and I see their planes aren't flying all the time and instructors need hours to get their commercial. And they'd rather not.

Net-net, the GA community around here not very friendly, and not on your side. So no, I'm not going to discuss anything about my health, background, reasons for flying, what kind of car I drive - nothing besides my name, rank, and serial number. Why would I?

So it seems that if you have kidney stones you can't get a medical? What about a plantar wart on your foot? And that is the other reason I'm doing Sport. I get the sense that if I sneeze the wrong way I'm barred for life from getting a 3rd class, and barred for life from a Sport Pilot license.


I can do both sides of the coin. As a CFI when introduced to a perspective customer, I inquire about going the Private Pilot path. Many are just plain stingy and the 20 hours vs. 40 really sounds $$$ to them. Pretty weak argument when you explain that it is performance based. Likewise they may not be aware of the Basic Med. A CFI cannot assume that everyone has their motivations and should be treated that way. One of mine wanted a Sport Pilot as a stepping stone while he finished High School on his way to a airline pilot career via Embry-Riddle. Should my approach with him be the same as everyone else? And just so you know, Instructors already have a Commercial Certificate.

With the right endorsements, a Sport Pilot is free to fly pretty much anywhere. But the fact that they do not know that and won't admit it is discouraging.

I would also consider talking with the owner. If you get lucky, he will be one who recognizes you as a Customer and is ready to make sure your needs are being met!

Last resort? Ultralights :D They are not regulated but getting some dual in GA or LSA is recommended.]]>
WDD wrote:So.... back to the topic.

New guy to flying here. Just passed my written (95%) and am now looking for an instructor. Why not a PPL? Seems to be the question every local CFI asked me.

Seems Sport Pilots aren't real pilots, you can only fly around your home airport, you can never rent a plane, "we don't teach that", there are only 150 recreational pilots which means this type of license is no good, you can only fly tiny clown car planes, and something else about causing global warming. Think about it. I tell them I want to give them money to rent their airplane and pay them to teach me, and I see their planes aren't flying all the time and instructors need hours to get their commercial. And they'd rather not.

Net-net, the GA community around here not very friendly, and not on your side. So no, I'm not going to discuss anything about my health, background, reasons for flying, what kind of car I drive - nothing besides my name, rank, and serial number. Why would I?

So it seems that if you have kidney stones you can't get a medical? What about a plantar wart on your foot? And that is the other reason I'm doing Sport. I get the sense that if I sneeze the wrong way I'm barred for life from getting a 3rd class, and barred for life from a Sport Pilot license.


I can do both sides of the coin. As a CFI when introduced to a perspective customer, I inquire about going the Private Pilot path. Many are just plain stingy and the 20 hours vs. 40 really sounds $$$ to them. Pretty weak argument when you explain that it is performance based. Likewise they may not be aware of the Basic Med. A CFI cannot assume that everyone has their motivations and should be treated that way. One of mine wanted a Sport Pilot as a stepping stone while he finished High School on his way to a airline pilot career via Embry-Riddle. Should my approach with him be the same as everyone else? And just so you know, Instructors already have a Commercial Certificate.

With the right endorsements, a Sport Pilot is free to fly pretty much anywhere. But the fact that they do not know that and won't admit it is discouraging.

I would also consider talking with the owner. If you get lucky, he will be one who recognizes you as a Customer and is ready to make sure your needs are being met!

Last resort? Ultralights :D They are not regulated but getting some dual in GA or LSA is recommended.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by SteveZ-FL]]> 2017-12-12T10:08:10-05:00 2017-12-12T10:08:10-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48398#p48398
The idea that Sport Pilot could be "Ticket #1" with PPL as "Ticket #2" and so forth is still a good one to me, considering the ever-growing complexities in airspace management, aviation systems, et cetera.  So, a CFI or other person trying to convince someone that PPL is a better bargain and "you're going to do it anyway" can be an injustice to the potential student.  I don't know what the failure rates are for Sport Pilot students versus PPL students, but I do know that attemptng to influence someone to chase something beyond their needs or goals isn't right.

I'm sure there are folk who have gotten their Sport Pilot ticket with the FAA minimum hours, but they are a very select few.  So the "20 hours vs, 40 hours" is deceptive.  It's like arguing that one should skip getting an auto-only drivers license and just go straight for auto with motorcycle endorsement or for a CDL, because someday one may find oneself in a motorcycle-need or CDL situation.  

I know me, and for me flying is a fun activity.  I don't see me flying at night, bad weather or other such situation, as I don't see flying in those conditions as fun.  If my view of "fun flying" changes, I can always get more training to accommodate.  I had an auto-only drivers license long before I got a motorcycle endorsement.  I don't see flying as being any different.

As far as the medical (DL vs. Class 3) goes, it goes back to "why bother with Class 3" at this time?  If the goals change to include PPL, then that's a bridge to cross at a later time.  As far as explaining it to others, I see no need.  I can't see why another aviator would even care, other than as some sort of ego thing or "my ticket is better than yours" bias.]]>

The idea that Sport Pilot could be "Ticket #1" with PPL as "Ticket #2" and so forth is still a good one to me, considering the ever-growing complexities in airspace management, aviation systems, et cetera.  So, a CFI or other person trying to convince someone that PPL is a better bargain and "you're going to do it anyway" can be an injustice to the potential student.  I don't know what the failure rates are for Sport Pilot students versus PPL students, but I do know that attemptng to influence someone to chase something beyond their needs or goals isn't right.

I'm sure there are folk who have gotten their Sport Pilot ticket with the FAA minimum hours, but they are a very select few.  So the "20 hours vs, 40 hours" is deceptive.  It's like arguing that one should skip getting an auto-only drivers license and just go straight for auto with motorcycle endorsement or for a CDL, because someday one may find oneself in a motorcycle-need or CDL situation.  

I know me, and for me flying is a fun activity.  I don't see me flying at night, bad weather or other such situation, as I don't see flying in those conditions as fun.  If my view of "fun flying" changes, I can always get more training to accommodate.  I had an auto-only drivers license long before I got a motorcycle endorsement.  I don't see flying as being any different.

As far as the medical (DL vs. Class 3) goes, it goes back to "why bother with Class 3" at this time?  If the goals change to include PPL, then that's a bridge to cross at a later time.  As far as explaining it to others, I see no need.  I can't see why another aviator would even care, other than as some sort of ego thing or "my ticket is better than yours" bias.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T13:26:27-05:00 2017-12-12T13:26:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48409#p48409
If you are an older person or aren't sure about the 3rd class medical, I recommend a Sport Pilot certificate. I've been flying with Sport Pilot privileges and limitations for the past 5 years with no regrets. I do miss flying the Mooney I could be flying if I had a medical or qualified for Basic Med.

I don't recommend Sport Pilot as a stepping stone to Private. Just go straight for Private and take one written and one flight test.]]>

If you are an older person or aren't sure about the 3rd class medical, I recommend a Sport Pilot certificate. I've been flying with Sport Pilot privileges and limitations for the past 5 years with no regrets. I do miss flying the Mooney I could be flying if I had a medical or qualified for Basic Med.

I don't recommend Sport Pilot as a stepping stone to Private. Just go straight for Private and take one written and one flight test.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by SteveZ-FL]]> 2017-12-12T16:50:33-05:00 2017-12-12T16:50:33-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48411#p48411
So what if a PPL program is "only" a few more hours.  That "few more hours" can actually be anywhere from 20 to 40 hours, depending on student ability and progression, and that can equate to a lot of calendar time and several thousand dollars.  I wish I knew how many folk quit getting a PPL due to time and cost, but could have achieved a Sport Pilot ticket which would have given a sense of achievement, the opportunity to gain practical experience, and then possibly gone further based on that experience.

Don't know if there any statistics concerning how many folk (and their ages) have acquired a Sport Pilot ticket and then transitioned to PPL, or how many folk while undergoing Sport Pilot training converted during the training to a PPL program.

Sport Pilot is still relatively new, and so the number of programs and CFIs out there still following only the pre-2004 way of doing things dominate the market.  Hopefully, as time goes by, that will change.]]>

So what if a PPL program is "only" a few more hours.  That "few more hours" can actually be anywhere from 20 to 40 hours, depending on student ability and progression, and that can equate to a lot of calendar time and several thousand dollars.  I wish I knew how many folk quit getting a PPL due to time and cost, but could have achieved a Sport Pilot ticket which would have given a sense of achievement, the opportunity to gain practical experience, and then possibly gone further based on that experience.

Don't know if there any statistics concerning how many folk (and their ages) have acquired a Sport Pilot ticket and then transitioned to PPL, or how many folk while undergoing Sport Pilot training converted during the training to a PPL program.

Sport Pilot is still relatively new, and so the number of programs and CFIs out there still following only the pre-2004 way of doing things dominate the market.  Hopefully, as time goes by, that will change.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T17:17:57-05:00 2017-12-12T17:17:57-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48416#p48416
If you get ready for and take a Sport Pilot flight test and later get ready for and take a Private Pilot flight test, you are going to spend more time and money than you would for the additional 4 or 5 hours of training for a Private. There is also the issue of having to study for and take an additional written test. So, IMHO, there is absolutely no reason to get a Sport Pilot certificate IF YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS A PRIVATE. Just go straight for the Private.

Now, if you are a super sharp kid who can pick up things very quickly and can get a Sport Pilot certificate in 20 to 25 hours, then maybe it would be a different situation, but I think that is not very common.

As I said in my earlier post, THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION. Others may have a different recommendation.]]>

If you get ready for and take a Sport Pilot flight test and later get ready for and take a Private Pilot flight test, you are going to spend more time and money than you would for the additional 4 or 5 hours of training for a Private. There is also the issue of having to study for and take an additional written test. So, IMHO, there is absolutely no reason to get a Sport Pilot certificate IF YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS A PRIVATE. Just go straight for the Private.

Now, if you are a super sharp kid who can pick up things very quickly and can get a Sport Pilot certificate in 20 to 25 hours, then maybe it would be a different situation, but I think that is not very common.

As I said in my earlier post, THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION. Others may have a different recommendation.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T18:02:07-05:00 2017-12-12T18:02:07-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48418#p48418
Tim's assertion that it will only take an additional 4-5 hours is a little off base. There is more to adding private privileges than a little more instrument and 3 hours of night training. I would expect about double his estimate for training, plus an additional 5 hours of solo flight.]]>

Tim's assertion that it will only take an additional 4-5 hours is a little off base. There is more to adding private privileges than a little more instrument and 3 hours of night training. I would expect about double his estimate for training, plus an additional 5 hours of solo flight.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> 2017-12-12T19:17:17-05:00 2017-12-12T19:17:17-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48422#p48422
Given that reality is it reasonable to guesstimate that those same folks will likely take 60-80 hours to get a Private? Aviation's simple math is hours = $$, and more hours = even more $$.

I am in the senior citizen group that looks to aviation as an attractive novelty hobby the pursuit of which is subject to a very limited amount of discretionary funding. Also in consideration of my 'realistic' potential usage, Sport Pilot just makes the most sense at this time. The CFIs I will be using are also certified for Private training so any hours I accumulate should carry over if my finances or desires change.]]>

Given that reality is it reasonable to guesstimate that those same folks will likely take 60-80 hours to get a Private? Aviation's simple math is hours = $$, and more hours = even more $$.

I am in the senior citizen group that looks to aviation as an attractive novelty hobby the pursuit of which is subject to a very limited amount of discretionary funding. Also in consideration of my 'realistic' potential usage, Sport Pilot just makes the most sense at this time. The CFIs I will be using are also certified for Private training so any hours I accumulate should carry over if my finances or desires change.]]>
<![CDATA[Hangar Talk :: Re: Were you comfortable explaining to your fellow pilots you became a sport pilot because of a medical reason? :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T19:23:06-05:00 2017-12-12T19:23:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4945&p=48424#p48424
chicagorandy wrote:" Many take 40 hours or more to get a Sport Pilot certificate."

Given that reality is it reasonable to guesstimate that those same folks will likely take 60-80 hours to get a Private? Aviation's simple math is hours = $$, and more hours = even more $$.

I am in the senior citizen group that looks to aviation as an attractive novelty hobby the pursuit of which is subject to a very limited amount of discretionary funding. Also in consideration of my 'realistic' potential usage, Sport Pilot just makes the most sense at this time. The CFIs I will be using are also certified for Private training so any hours I accumulate should carry over if my finances or desires change.

No, I don't think so. There is no difference in skill level required. IMHO, the difference is 3 hours of night flight and maybe 2 more hours of instrument. As a matter of fact, I believe many will have less problems learning to fly a C150, C172, or Cherokee 140 than an LSA and will actually save time there.

The problem for us older guys is passing a 3rd class medical. There is an element of risk that you might fail and never get to fly. That's why I think it's best to go for Sport Pilot if you're older.]]>
chicagorandy wrote:" Many take 40 hours or more to get a Sport Pilot certificate."

Given that reality is it reasonable to guesstimate that those same folks will likely take 60-80 hours to get a Private? Aviation's simple math is hours = $$, and more hours = even more $$.

I am in the senior citizen group that looks to aviation as an attractive novelty hobby the pursuit of which is subject to a very limited amount of discretionary funding. Also in consideration of my 'realistic' potential usage, Sport Pilot just makes the most sense at this time. The CFIs I will be using are also certified for Private training so any hours I accumulate should carry over if my finances or desires change.

No, I don't think so. There is no difference in skill level required. IMHO, the difference is 3 hours of night flight and maybe 2 more hours of instrument. As a matter of fact, I believe many will have less problems learning to fly a C150, C172, or Cherokee 140 than an LSA and will actually save time there.

The problem for us older guys is passing a 3rd class medical. There is an element of risk that you might fail and never get to fly. That's why I think it's best to go for Sport Pilot if you're older.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Deland 2017 :: Author c162pilot]]> 2017-11-20T19:25:10-05:00 2017-11-20T19:25:10-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48240#p48240 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Deland 2017 :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-20T20:49:37-05:00 2017-11-20T20:49:37-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48241#p48241
c162pilot wrote:Still not sure why we need to have two shows within a couple of months of each other in South Florida.


Simple. The Sebring employee who used to head up Sport Aviation Expo got a new job in Deland, where she was tasked with duplicating her previous success. I'm not sure if the industry is large enough to benefit from competition; time will tell.]]>
c162pilot wrote:Still not sure why we need to have two shows within a couple of months of each other in South Florida.


Simple. The Sebring employee who used to head up Sport Aviation Expo got a new job in Deland, where she was tasked with duplicating her previous success. I'm not sure if the industry is large enough to benefit from competition; time will tell.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Deland 2017 :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-20T21:09:24-05:00 2017-11-20T21:09:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4937&p=48244#p48244
Sebring is a larger and better show, but Deland probably has a better location, being close to Orlando and Daytona and not too far from Jacksonville.]]>

Sebring is a larger and better show, but Deland probably has a better location, being close to Orlando and Daytona and not too far from Jacksonville.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Author FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-21T13:05:09-05:00 2017-11-21T13:05:09-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48247#p48247
My Operating Limitations placard was faded almost to the point of illegibility. I emailed Roberto Merico at Magnaghi about a replacement. He responded:

"Ciao Ed,

In few days we're releasing new Flight Manual with some new limitations (together with a SB).

The placard must be anyway re-done, we can supply you with the new one as soon as approved officially.

Thank you,

Best regards,

Roberto


I asked if it was OK to put that online, and he responded:

"Yes,

You'll find everything online @ tech page on our website
"


Anyway, first I had heard of an upcoming revision to the POH and limitations or an SB.

Just a head's up.]]>

My Operating Limitations placard was faded almost to the point of illegibility. I emailed Roberto Merico at Magnaghi about a replacement. He responded:

"Ciao Ed,

In few days we're releasing new Flight Manual with some new limitations (together with a SB).

The placard must be anyway re-done, we can supply you with the new one as soon as approved officially.

Thank you,

Best regards,

Roberto


I asked if it was OK to put that online, and he responded:

"Yes,

You'll find everything online @ tech page on our website
"


Anyway, first I had heard of an upcoming revision to the POH and limitations or an SB.

Just a head's up.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by dstclair]]> 2017-11-21T14:12:25-05:00 2017-11-21T14:12:25-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48248#p48248 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-21T15:26:39-05:00 2017-11-21T15:26:39-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48250#p48250
dstclair wrote:So what are the new operating limitations?


Won’t know until they are released. Fingers crossed!]]>
dstclair wrote:So what are the new operating limitations?


Won’t know until they are released. Fingers crossed!]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> 2017-11-21T15:37:49-05:00 2017-11-21T15:37:49-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48252#p48252
Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...]]>

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T15:58:29-05:00 2017-11-21T15:58:29-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48253#p48253
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?]]>
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-21T16:59:08-05:00 2017-11-21T16:59:08-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48256#p48256
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.



I was actually pondering this a few hours ago.

This is a photo of a screenshot from the POH I printed out of the placard in question:

Image

I suppose, as an Experimental, I am free to determine my own Vne, for instance, or any other limitation other than those which would take the plane out of the Light Sport Limitations. And worth mentioning that Vne is not mentioned in my Experimental Operating Limitations, nor are most or all of the Limitations on the placard.

But in any case I certainly would want to know what Limitation(s) the manufacturer may have deemed to change. For what I think are obvious reasons.]]>
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.



I was actually pondering this a few hours ago.

This is a photo of a screenshot from the POH I printed out of the placard in question:

Image

I suppose, as an Experimental, I am free to determine my own Vne, for instance, or any other limitation other than those which would take the plane out of the Light Sport Limitations. And worth mentioning that Vne is not mentioned in my Experimental Operating Limitations, nor are most or all of the Limitations on the placard.

But in any case I certainly would want to know what Limitation(s) the manufacturer may have deemed to change. For what I think are obvious reasons.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by CharlieTango]]> 2017-11-21T17:03:25-05:00 2017-11-21T17:03:25-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48257#p48257
TimTaylor wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?


'be able to ignore' dumb to do but even the SLSA owners could ignore. the converted plane is subject only to its limitations.

such a change would be public knowledge and the experimental owners can still use the info and act accordingly]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?


'be able to ignore' dumb to do but even the SLSA owners could ignore. the converted plane is subject only to its limitations.

such a change would be public knowledge and the experimental owners can still use the info and act accordingly]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T17:12:06-05:00 2017-11-21T17:12:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48258#p48258 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> 2017-11-23T22:08:16-05:00 2017-11-23T22:08:16-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48286#p48286
TimTaylor wrote:What are you saying? An ELSA owner can legally ignore new limitations or not?


An E-LSA, whether originally manufactured that way or converted from an S-LSA, is only bound by LSA definitions and its operating limitations. New operating limitations are issued at the time of a conversion, and the manufacturer’s limitations are no longer in effect. The manufacturer no longer has any authority to mandate any maintenance, procedure, or limitations on the airframe. I’m pretty sure the FAA can still issue ADs on E-LSA, as they did for the Zodiac 601XL on an emergency basis a few years ago.

I am not suggesting that an E-LSA owner ignore SBs or other guidance from the manufacturer; I’m just pointing out such guidance is not binding on an E-LSA and there could be a situation where an owner felt the need to go against such recommendations.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:What are you saying? An ELSA owner can legally ignore new limitations or not?


An E-LSA, whether originally manufactured that way or converted from an S-LSA, is only bound by LSA definitions and its operating limitations. New operating limitations are issued at the time of a conversion, and the manufacturer’s limitations are no longer in effect. The manufacturer no longer has any authority to mandate any maintenance, procedure, or limitations on the airframe. I’m pretty sure the FAA can still issue ADs on E-LSA, as they did for the Zodiac 601XL on an emergency basis a few years ago.

I am not suggesting that an E-LSA owner ignore SBs or other guidance from the manufacturer; I’m just pointing out such guidance is not binding on an E-LSA and there could be a situation where an owner felt the need to go against such recommendations.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> 2017-11-23T22:10:43-05:00 2017-11-23T22:10:43-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48287#p48287
CharlieTango wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?


'be able to ignore' dumb to do but even the SLSA owners could ignore. the converted plane is subject only to its limitations.

such a change would be public knowledge and the experimental owners can still use the info and act accordingly


A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.]]>
CharlieTango wrote:
TimTaylor wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Eddie, as the owner of an E-LSA, the new operating limitations will not apply to your airplane anyway. Your operating limitations remain the same as issued during your E-LSA conversion process.

Might help (or hinder) some lurking S-LSA owners though. Though new limitations bundled with an SB does not sound like a positive development...

Is that correct? IDK. What if an aircraft manufacturer discovered some severe deficiency and issued a limitation such as "aircraft cannot be operated at more than 1100 pounds max gross weight"? Would an airplane that had been converted to ELSA be able to ignore that new limitation?


'be able to ignore' dumb to do but even the SLSA owners could ignore. the converted plane is subject only to its limitations.

such a change would be public knowledge and the experimental owners can still use the info and act accordingly


A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-24T09:38:50-05:00 2017-11-24T09:38:50-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48289#p48289
MrMorden wrote:
A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.


The term used in the applicable FAR is Safety Directive. That has the same force of law as an AD would for certified aircraft.]]>
MrMorden wrote:
A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.


The term used in the applicable FAR is Safety Directive. That has the same force of law as an AD would for certified aircraft.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Pending new revised Sky Arrow POH, revised Operating Limitations and SB :: Reply by MrMorden]]> 2017-11-24T19:47:05-05:00 2017-11-24T19:47:05-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4938&p=48293#p48293
drseti wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.


The term used in the applicable FAR is Safety Directive. That has the same force of law as an AD would for certified aircraft.


Thanks for the terminology correction.]]>
drseti wrote:
MrMorden wrote:
A Service Directive issued by the manufacturer is required on an S-LSA, service bulletins are not.


The term used in the applicable FAR is Safety Directive. That has the same force of law as an AD would for certified aircraft.


Thanks for the terminology correction.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Non-fatal Sport Cruiser Accident :: Author Wm.Ince]]> 2017-12-11T17:30:38-05:00 2017-12-11T17:30:38-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4950&p=48378#p48378 http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/12/a ... 17-at.html :(]]> http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/12/a ... 17-at.html :(]]> <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by drdehave]]> 2017-12-11T21:54:28-05:00 2017-12-11T21:54:28-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48386#p48386
Then, a few days ago, he informed me that since day 1 (when he got the plane, new, from SportairUSA) his trim lever has always been full-forward when straight-and-level and that it took slight forward stick pressure to keep it from climbing. "Are you kidding me, that's an out-of-adjustment trim & it's creating drag," was my reply. We need to adjust it, using this simple "How To" from Sportaire & TL: http://www.sting.aero/owners/howto/Elev ... le-Adj.pdf

Long story short--we got it done. Now, cruising SNL, his trim lever is in the middle 1/3 of its travel slot, where it should be. He can take his hands off the stick and she'll track SNL, without climbing or descending--or if it does, a tiny trim lever adjustment solves the problem.

So be sure your trim is properly adjusted. If one (airplane) is delivered askew, there may be more. :roll:

Once I get airborne again, we will be comparing our "numbers" some more, with his trim back in the green :oops:]]>

Then, a few days ago, he informed me that since day 1 (when he got the plane, new, from SportairUSA) his trim lever has always been full-forward when straight-and-level and that it took slight forward stick pressure to keep it from climbing. "Are you kidding me, that's an out-of-adjustment trim & it's creating drag," was my reply. We need to adjust it, using this simple "How To" from Sportaire & TL: http://www.sting.aero/owners/howto/Elev ... le-Adj.pdf

Long story short--we got it done. Now, cruising SNL, his trim lever is in the middle 1/3 of its travel slot, where it should be. He can take his hands off the stick and she'll track SNL, without climbing or descending--or if it does, a tiny trim lever adjustment solves the problem.

So be sure your trim is properly adjusted. If one (airplane) is delivered askew, there may be more. :roll:

Once I get airborne again, we will be comparing our "numbers" some more, with his trim back in the green :oops:]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-12-11T22:51:47-05:00 2017-12-11T22:51:47-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48389#p48389
While I was planning to play with it some more, i was mostly occupied with other stuff recently ( like 5 year rubber replacement combined with 200 hours inspection - very lightly used plane over last 5 years by the previous owner/dealer but still, rubber had to be done ) .The rubber replacement resulted in having to order a new fuel shutoff valve from Czech Republic ( which took about 4 weeks ) etc . Also it turned out that the tires I had on my plane were not properly installed ( at the dealer’s ) and resulted in extra wear so I had to get new ones etc ...
Lots of stuff like that and also, weather here in Chicago kind of sucks at this time of year so flying only on weekends and even then skipping some due to howling winds and overall weather suckage ...

Anyway, my trim does require almost all the way forward during cruise but , I don’t think it is as bad as it was with Mark’s Sting... I don’t think I need to keep any pressure after setting the trim but , I will have to pay more attention next time, cause i may be doing it without even realizing ...
Thanks for the tip.]]>

While I was planning to play with it some more, i was mostly occupied with other stuff recently ( like 5 year rubber replacement combined with 200 hours inspection - very lightly used plane over last 5 years by the previous owner/dealer but still, rubber had to be done ) .The rubber replacement resulted in having to order a new fuel shutoff valve from Czech Republic ( which took about 4 weeks ) etc . Also it turned out that the tires I had on my plane were not properly installed ( at the dealer’s ) and resulted in extra wear so I had to get new ones etc ...
Lots of stuff like that and also, weather here in Chicago kind of sucks at this time of year so flying only on weekends and even then skipping some due to howling winds and overall weather suckage ...

Anyway, my trim does require almost all the way forward during cruise but , I don’t think it is as bad as it was with Mark’s Sting... I don’t think I need to keep any pressure after setting the trim but , I will have to pay more attention next time, cause i may be doing it without even realizing ...
Thanks for the tip.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T09:52:22-05:00 2017-12-12T09:52:22-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48397#p48397 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by dstclair]]> 2017-12-12T10:16:31-05:00 2017-12-12T10:16:31-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48399#p48399 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T11:15:26-05:00 2017-12-12T11:15:26-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48402#p48402
dstclair wrote:Yes -- fixed (bendable) on the right wing and a rudder trim tab on the tail.


Actually I was asking about pitch, since that is what they were talking about. How does the pitch trim system work, a trim tab or spring loading?]]>
dstclair wrote:Yes -- fixed (bendable) on the right wing and a rudder trim tab on the tail.


Actually I was asking about pitch, since that is what they were talking about. How does the pitch trim system work, a trim tab or spring loading?]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T11:28:09-05:00 2017-12-12T11:28:09-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48404#p48404
drdehave, the speed that you picked up would not be due to the trim adjustment. With an elevator trim tab the adjustment you made would have allowed greater deflection of the trim tab to position the elevator to maintain level flight. The greater deflection of the tab would lead to more drag, not less. To reduce drag an adjustment to the airframe to decrease the trim tab angle would need to be made, something like changing the angle of the horizontal stabilizer. Maybe the increase in speed was due to some other factor, like cooler weather or a more aft CG.]]>

drdehave, the speed that you picked up would not be due to the trim adjustment. With an elevator trim tab the adjustment you made would have allowed greater deflection of the trim tab to position the elevator to maintain level flight. The greater deflection of the tab would lead to more drag, not less. To reduce drag an adjustment to the airframe to decrease the trim tab angle would need to be made, something like changing the angle of the horizontal stabilizer. Maybe the increase in speed was due to some other factor, like cooler weather or a more aft CG.]]>
<![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by drdehave]]> 2017-12-12T11:38:27-05:00 2017-12-12T11:38:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48405#p48405 <![CDATA[Light Sport Aircraft :: Re: Question to Sting owners ( cruise ) :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T12:04:49-05:00 2017-12-12T12:04:49-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4809&p=48407#p48407
drdehave wrote:Could be, I just know that Bill Canino at Sportair, who presumably knows more about this lsa than anybody, told him, when we were searching for clues to our speed differences, "The first thing you should check is your trim adjustment."


If he is having to use full nose down trim for level flight, then maybe something else is wrong. Maybe the flaps are a degree or two down. this would explain slower speed, better climb, and the need for the trim. Another possible issue is thrust angle could be off a little. I have seen other airplanes that needed a little adjustment in this area. Ideally you need the trim tab in the neutral position at cruise for the least drag. I am talking about the actual tab, and not the indicator.]]>
drdehave wrote:Could be, I just know that Bill Canino at Sportair, who presumably knows more about this lsa than anybody, told him, when we were searching for clues to our speed differences, "The first thing you should check is your trim adjustment."


If he is having to use full nose down trim for level flight, then maybe something else is wrong. Maybe the flaps are a degree or two down. this would explain slower speed, better climb, and the need for the trim. Another possible issue is thrust angle could be off a little. I have seen other airplanes that needed a little adjustment in this area. Ideally you need the trim tab in the neutral position at cruise for the least drag. I am talking about the actual tab, and not the indicator.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Author HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-11-23T12:00:56-05:00 2017-11-23T12:00:56-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48274#p48274 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-23T13:12:23-05:00 2017-11-23T13:12:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48275#p48275 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-23T15:00:53-05:00 2017-11-23T15:00:53-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48276#p48276
TimTaylor wrote: seaplane flight test is pretty much comprehensive.


One can do a Seaplane add-on under Sport Pilot rules, even if he or she holds higher ratings, with no flight test required. Instead, you merely need to fly a proficiency check with a CFI. That's what I had to do at Jack Brown's two years ago - since I had no current medical at that time, I couldn't fly a checkride with a DPE. (Now, with Basic Med, I could - but it's moot, because the only seaplanes I fly are LSAs).]]>
TimTaylor wrote: seaplane flight test is pretty much comprehensive.


One can do a Seaplane add-on under Sport Pilot rules, even if he or she holds higher ratings, with no flight test required. Instead, you merely need to fly a proficiency check with a CFI. That's what I had to do at Jack Brown's two years ago - since I had no current medical at that time, I couldn't fly a checkride with a DPE. (Now, with Basic Med, I could - but it's moot, because the only seaplanes I fly are LSAs).]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-23T16:29:17-05:00 2017-11-23T16:29:17-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48279#p48279
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: seaplane flight test is pretty much comprehensive.


One can do a Seaplane add-on under Sport Pilot rules, even if he or she holds higher ratings, with no flight test required. Instead, you merely need to fly a proficiency check with a CFI. That's what I had to do at Jack Brown's two years ago - since I had no current medical at that time, I couldn't fly a checkride with a DPE. (Now, with Basic Med, I could - but it's moot, because the only seaplanes I fly are LSAs).
I did the same thing. Have you found a place that will actually rent you a seaplane to fly solo?]]>
drseti wrote:
TimTaylor wrote: seaplane flight test is pretty much comprehensive.


One can do a Seaplane add-on under Sport Pilot rules, even if he or she holds higher ratings, with no flight test required. Instead, you merely need to fly a proficiency check with a CFI. That's what I had to do at Jack Brown's two years ago - since I had no current medical at that time, I couldn't fly a checkride with a DPE. (Now, with Basic Med, I could - but it's moot, because the only seaplanes I fly are LSAs).
I did the same thing. Have you found a place that will actually rent you a seaplane to fly solo?]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-23T16:45:55-05:00 2017-11-23T16:45:55-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48280#p48280
TimTaylor wrote: Have you found a place that will actually rent you a seaplane to fly solo?


To quote Hamlet:

Aye, there's the rub.


That problem notwithstanding, the Sport Pilot rules for adding category and class are a real game-changer. For details, see my EAA Webinar at:

http://www.eaavideo.org/detail/video/3830218310001]]>
TimTaylor wrote: Have you found a place that will actually rent you a seaplane to fly solo?


To quote Hamlet:

Aye, there's the rub.


That problem notwithstanding, the Sport Pilot rules for adding category and class are a real game-changer. For details, see my EAA Webinar at:

http://www.eaavideo.org/detail/video/3830218310001]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-11-24T09:45:03-05:00 2017-11-24T09:45:03-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48290#p48290
Having done Flight Reviews with pilots holding all certificates, I find the ones with less than Commercial tend to have a knowledge level that scares me a bit.

So my vote for anyone upgrading to a higher certificate, I vote full testing.

BTW, my understanding of flight exams is that you can take one without a medical provided the examiner agrees to fly the test with you while acting as PIC during the test. Now it is obvious that any solo requirements for that particular test must have been accomplished while you fully met the requirements for solo.]]>

Having done Flight Reviews with pilots holding all certificates, I find the ones with less than Commercial tend to have a knowledge level that scares me a bit.

So my vote for anyone upgrading to a higher certificate, I vote full testing.

BTW, my understanding of flight exams is that you can take one without a medical provided the examiner agrees to fly the test with you while acting as PIC during the test. Now it is obvious that any solo requirements for that particular test must have been accomplished while you fully met the requirements for solo.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice. . . :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-24T09:51:09-05:00 2017-11-24T09:51:09-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4940&p=48291#p48291 <![CDATA[Training :: ... :: Author bornstephen]]> 2017-11-21T15:31:31-05:00 2017-11-21T16:34:31-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48251#p48251 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T16:03:16-05:00 2017-11-21T16:03:16-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48254#p48254 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T16:13:30-05:00 2017-11-21T16:13:30-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48255#p48255 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-11-21T21:38:45-05:00 2017-11-21T21:38:45-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48259#p48259 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-21T22:05:58-05:00 2017-11-21T22:05:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48260#p48260 ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-11-21T22:12:24-05:00 2017-11-21T22:12:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48261#p48261 Postings on public forums are just that , very much public and akin to public speaking and thus should stay on the record.]]> Postings on public forums are just that , very much public and akin to public speaking and thus should stay on the record.]]> <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-21T22:28:28-05:00 2017-11-21T22:28:28-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48262#p48262
I think one day gives plenty of time for editing and corrections.]]>

I think one day gives plenty of time for editing and corrections.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T22:39:36-05:00 2017-11-21T22:39:36-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48263#p48263 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T22:42:24-05:00 2017-11-23T01:49:53-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48264#p48264 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-11-21T22:48:03-05:00 2017-11-21T22:48:03-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48265#p48265
TimTaylor wrote:I guess he didn't like my advice. I didn't mean to piss him off, but to say he missed 52 questions, am I ready, didn't make much sense.

There was nothing offensive in your response to him .... I presume , from the context, that he went for the test and failed it utterly , right ?]]>
TimTaylor wrote:I guess he didn't like my advice. I didn't mean to piss him off, but to say he missed 52 questions, am I ready, didn't make much sense.

There was nothing offensive in your response to him .... I presume , from the context, that he went for the test and failed it utterly , right ?]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-21T23:00:00-05:00 2017-11-21T23:00:00-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48266#p48266 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-21T23:47:08-05:00 2017-11-21T23:47:08-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48267#p48267
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:There was another forum member who used to do the samething when they got mad. 8)

No, just tired of your stupid bullshit. Ignorant ass. :!:


Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:There was another forum member who used to do the samething when they got mad. 8)

No, just tired of your stupid bullshit. Ignorant ass. :!:


Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-22T00:03:55-05:00 2017-11-23T02:16:47-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48268#p48268
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

I see I have gotten the same response from you in the past over on the other board. I was right after all.]]>
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

I see I have gotten the same response from you in the past over on the other board. I was right after all.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-22T10:14:26-05:00 2017-11-22T10:14:26-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48269#p48269
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

If you weren't referring to me, then I apologize. As you know, I have done the same thing a few times (deleted posts).


No, I was referring to SportPilot. I think he was permanently banned from the site for bad behavior.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

If you weren't referring to me, then I apologize. As you know, I have done the same thing a few times (deleted posts).


No, I was referring to SportPilot. I think he was permanently banned from the site for bad behavior.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-22T11:01:27-05:00 2017-11-22T11:01:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48270#p48270 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-22T12:52:31-05:00 2017-11-22T12:52:31-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48271#p48271
TimTaylor wrote:And Cecil.


Yep, him too.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:And Cecil.


Yep, him too.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-11-22T18:34:58-05:00 2017-11-22T18:34:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48272#p48272
TimTaylor wrote:I guess he didn't like my advice. I didn't mean to piss him off, but to say he missed 52 questions, am I ready, didn't make much sense.

So if I remember right, there are 40 questions on the Sport Pilot test and 60 on the PPL. Right? Your response may have been appropriate. Last August I went for another Sport Pilot test, and the proctor had entered info for the drone (unmanned aircraft) test. I was not a happy camper, and I'm sure I would have failed that miserably, if I had not caught the error.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:I guess he didn't like my advice. I didn't mean to piss him off, but to say he missed 52 questions, am I ready, didn't make much sense.

So if I remember right, there are 40 questions on the Sport Pilot test and 60 on the PPL. Right? Your response may have been appropriate. Last August I went for another Sport Pilot test, and the proctor had entered info for the drone (unmanned aircraft) test. I was not a happy camper, and I'm sure I would have failed that miserably, if I had not caught the error.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-11-23T11:30:30-05:00 2017-11-23T11:30:30-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48273#p48273 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-23T15:03:27-05:00 2017-11-23T15:03:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48277#p48277 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-23T15:09:24-05:00 2017-11-23T15:09:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48278#p48278
TimTaylor wrote:I would not take the test until I knew the material and was confident I would make a good grade, not just barely passing.


I won't sign off a student for a knowledge test until we're both sure the student is going to ace it. My reason: any subject area in which the applicant has missed a question on the written is fair game for the DPE to hammer the student on during the oral.

BTW, by being selective with my knowledge test signoffs, I get to boast that, in my fifth decade of teaching, I've still never had a student fail a written. :)]]>
TimTaylor wrote:I would not take the test until I knew the material and was confident I would make a good grade, not just barely passing.


I won't sign off a student for a knowledge test until we're both sure the student is going to ace it. My reason: any subject area in which the applicant has missed a question on the written is fair game for the DPE to hammer the student on during the oral.

BTW, by being selective with my knowledge test signoffs, I get to boast that, in my fifth decade of teaching, I've still never had a student fail a written. :)]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-23T17:20:26-05:00 2017-11-23T17:20:26-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48281#p48281
drseti wrote:BTW, by being selective with my knowledge test signoffs, I get to boast that, in my fifth decade of teaching, I've still never had a student fail a written. :)



And to which home study course do you attribute that? :mrgreen:]]>
drseti wrote:BTW, by being selective with my knowledge test signoffs, I get to boast that, in my fifth decade of teaching, I've still never had a student fail a written. :)



And to which home study course do you attribute that? :mrgreen:]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: FAA Test Prep Online :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-23T18:20:51-05:00 2017-11-23T18:20:51-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48282#p48282
Half Fast wrote:And to which home study course do you attribute that? :mrgreen:


Actually, to a combination of the Gleim study materials (which are a bit dry, but very thorough) and the hour of one-on-one tutorial ground instruction which is integral to each of my flight lessons. Not everybody is able to schedule integrated curriculum, but it has the advantage of correlating the knowledge test subjects to actual in-flight scenarios, so the two aspects of pilot training actually complement each other.

(Note that when I started teaching, neither the Gleim, Sportys, or King home study courses existed.)]]>
Half Fast wrote:And to which home study course do you attribute that? :mrgreen:


Actually, to a combination of the Gleim study materials (which are a bit dry, but very thorough) and the hour of one-on-one tutorial ground instruction which is integral to each of my flight lessons. Not everybody is able to schedule integrated curriculum, but it has the advantage of correlating the knowledge test subjects to actual in-flight scenarios, so the two aspects of pilot training actually complement each other.

(Note that when I started teaching, neither the Gleim, Sportys, or King home study courses existed.)]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-23T18:46:23-05:00 2017-11-23T18:46:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48284#p48284 I know you run a thorough and somewhat formal curriculum.

I didn't use a formal home study program; just studied the PHAK and FAR/AIM, but used ASA's "Test Prep" question compilation and Sporty's practice tests to quiz myself.

There's so much stuff available for free these days, between FAA book downloads and YouTube videos, that it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.]]>
I know you run a thorough and somewhat formal curriculum.

I didn't use a formal home study program; just studied the PHAK and FAR/AIM, but used ASA's "Test Prep" question compilation and Sporty's practice tests to quiz myself.

There's so much stuff available for free these days, between FAA book downloads and YouTube videos, that it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-23T21:16:03-05:00 2017-11-23T21:16:03-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48285#p48285
Half Fast wrote: it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.


I agree completely. But the crutch is a great confidence builder for students who aren't so sure of themselves.]]>
Half Fast wrote: it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.


I agree completely. But the crutch is a great confidence builder for students who aren't so sure of themselves.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-23T22:25:34-05:00 2017-11-23T22:25:34-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48288#p48288
drseti wrote:
Half Fast wrote: it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.


I agree completely. But the crutch is a great confidence builder for students who aren't so sure of themselves.



I'm sure that's true, but you require ALL your students to use the crutch, right? Were I one of your students, I'd be unhappy having to spend money for the Gleim materials and for an hour of ground school at each flight lesson.

But that's why there are different schools and different instructors. And your system seems to work well.]]>
drseti wrote:
Half Fast wrote: it's not really necessary to buy Gleim or similar. I'm sure they're very good, and probably a good idea for students that need help organizing and learning material, but a good student can do fine without them.


I agree completely. But the crutch is a great confidence builder for students who aren't so sure of themselves.



I'm sure that's true, but you require ALL your students to use the crutch, right? Were I one of your students, I'd be unhappy having to spend money for the Gleim materials and for an hour of ground school at each flight lesson.

But that's why there are different schools and different instructors. And your system seems to work well.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-24T12:17:53-05:00 2017-11-24T12:17:53-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48292#p48292
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

I see I have gotten the same response from you in the past over on the other board. I was right after all.


I guess I was talking about you if you rejoined the forum using a different user name after being permanently banned.]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:
Why quote me and call me names? I wasn't talking about you. The forum member I was speaking of was banned from the forum for inappropriate behavior, like what you just exhibited.

I see I have gotten the same response from you in the past over on the other board. I was right after all.


I guess I was talking about you if you rejoined the forum using a different user name after being permanently banned.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-24T22:21:24-05:00 2017-11-24T22:21:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48294#p48294
Half Fast wrote: Were I one of your students, I'd be unhappy having to spend money for the Gleim materials and for an hour of ground school at each flight lesson.


That would be a valid gripe if I actually charged extra for the books and the ground instruction. But that's not my business model. I charge flat-rate tuition for an academic quarter, and only enroll four students per term. That way, the student gets as much time and attention as he or she needs, with no extra charge for however much ground time may be required. Remember, I was a college professor for four decades, and never quite caught on to the idea of charging by the hour for my time. ;)]]>
Half Fast wrote: Were I one of your students, I'd be unhappy having to spend money for the Gleim materials and for an hour of ground school at each flight lesson.


That would be a valid gripe if I actually charged extra for the books and the ground instruction. But that's not my business model. I charge flat-rate tuition for an academic quarter, and only enroll four students per term. That way, the student gets as much time and attention as he or she needs, with no extra charge for however much ground time may be required. Remember, I was a college professor for four decades, and never quite caught on to the idea of charging by the hour for my time. ;)]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-25T09:13:28-05:00 2017-11-25T09:13:28-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48295#p48295
At what college did you profess?

Lockheed pays me a straight salary, yet bills out my time by the hour. Thus profits are made.]]>

At what college did you profess?

Lockheed pays me a straight salary, yet bills out my time by the hour. Thus profits are made.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-25T18:10:34-05:00 2017-11-25T18:10:34-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48296#p48296
Half Fast wrote:At what college did you profess?


I started out at a couple of California colleges, spent the bulk of my career in the California and Pensylvania State systems, and then wrapped up at Lycoming College in Williamsport PA, from which I retired in 2007.

Lockheed pays me a straight salary, yet bills out my time by the hour. Thus profits are made.


I was briefly at Lockheed after I got out of the Air Force in 1969, and was also salaried. I never begrudged them their profits. Actually, that's where I really started my teaching career. They made me an engineering instructor, and turnover in aerospace being what it is, within two years I was their senior enginering Instructor (whereupon I left).]]>
Half Fast wrote:At what college did you profess?


I started out at a couple of California colleges, spent the bulk of my career in the California and Pensylvania State systems, and then wrapped up at Lycoming College in Williamsport PA, from which I retired in 2007.

Lockheed pays me a straight salary, yet bills out my time by the hour. Thus profits are made.


I was briefly at Lockheed after I got out of the Air Force in 1969, and was also salaried. I never begrudged them their profits. Actually, that's where I really started my teaching career. They made me an engineering instructor, and turnover in aerospace being what it is, within two years I was their senior enginering Instructor (whereupon I left).]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: ... :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-11-25T19:06:36-05:00 2017-11-25T19:06:36-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4939&p=48297#p48297
drseti wrote:I was briefly at Lockheed after I got out of the Air Force in 1969, and was also salaried. I never begrudged them their profits. Actually, that's where I really started my teaching career. They made me an engineering instructor, and turnover in aerospace being what it is, within two years I was their senior enginering Instructor (whereupon I left).


Oh, I don't begrudge profits at all! My 401k has been going like gangbusters all year, riding LockMart stock.

I do a fair amount of instructing at LM, along with other duties. I plan and develop training in analog circuit design, recruit instructors, and teach some personally. That's all just a hobby, though, on top of my regular jobs.

I have to run quite a bit of training for our new-hires because they seem to to come out of college without learning some critical things. Today's EE curricula leave out too much, IMHO, and our new EEs usually don't know how an electric motor works, what power factor is, can't design a simple 2-pole LPF, etc. Most of the undergrad emphasis is on microprocessors, FPGAs, and firmware.

Engineering really needs to go to a 5 or 6 year curriculum for the first professional degree. There's just too much information these days to try to cram it all into 4, as we've traditionally done.]]>
drseti wrote:I was briefly at Lockheed after I got out of the Air Force in 1969, and was also salaried. I never begrudged them their profits. Actually, that's where I really started my teaching career. They made me an engineering instructor, and turnover in aerospace being what it is, within two years I was their senior enginering Instructor (whereupon I left).


Oh, I don't begrudge profits at all! My 401k has been going like gangbusters all year, riding LockMart stock.

I do a fair amount of instructing at LM, along with other duties. I plan and develop training in analog circuit design, recruit instructors, and teach some personally. That's all just a hobby, though, on top of my regular jobs.

I have to run quite a bit of training for our new-hires because they seem to to come out of college without learning some critical things. Today's EE curricula leave out too much, IMHO, and our new EEs usually don't know how an electric motor works, what power factor is, can't design a simple 2-pole LPF, etc. Most of the undergrad emphasis is on microprocessors, FPGAs, and firmware.

Engineering really needs to go to a 5 or 6 year curriculum for the first professional degree. There's just too much information these days to try to cram it all into 4, as we've traditionally done.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Author WDD]]> 2017-12-11T20:52:43-05:00 2017-12-11T20:52:43-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48383#p48383
What about the US Sport Pilot Academy in Addison TX? https://www.ussportflightacademy.com/ I could take 2 weeks vacation and pack it in all at once. I see EAA also has a 3 week program.

Thoughts?]]>

What about the US Sport Pilot Academy in Addison TX? https://www.ussportflightacademy.com/ I could take 2 weeks vacation and pack it in all at once. I see EAA also has a 3 week program.

Thoughts?]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-11T21:36:23-05:00 2017-12-11T21:36:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48385#p48385 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by WDD]]> 2017-12-11T21:58:03-05:00 2017-12-11T21:58:03-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48387#p48387
So Addison TX and Oshkosh are reachable for a 2 or 3-week intensive training session. I thought Sporty's in Cincinnati would be another option, but it doesn't look like they do sport.]]>

So Addison TX and Oshkosh are reachable for a 2 or 3-week intensive training session. I thought Sporty's in Cincinnati would be another option, but it doesn't look like they do sport.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-11T22:02:05-05:00 2017-12-11T22:02:05-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48388#p48388 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by Half Fast]]> 2017-12-12T05:38:58-05:00 2017-12-12T05:38:58-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48392#p48392
You could take 2 weeks, travel to TX, then spend a dozen days waiting for the winds to calm down or the ceiling to lift.]]>

You could take 2 weeks, travel to TX, then spend a dozen days waiting for the winds to calm down or the ceiling to lift.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-12-12T06:05:34-05:00 2017-12-12T06:05:34-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48393#p48393
Airplane?

Instructor and or attitude?

None of the above?

Have you gone to FBOs and talked to them about other local sources? I see a few airports surrounding you there if you extend your radius out to Lexington.]]>

Airplane?

Instructor and or attitude?

None of the above?

Have you gone to FBOs and talked to them about other local sources? I see a few airports surrounding you there if you extend your radius out to Lexington.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by chicagorandy]]> 2017-12-12T07:42:06-05:00 2017-12-12T07:42:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48394#p48394
http://www.skyhighlouisville.com/sport- ... sville.php

http://www.flydar.com/learn-to-fly/sport-pilot-license/

They are aviation brokers and may have found leads you can use?]]>

http://www.skyhighlouisville.com/sport- ... sville.php

http://www.flydar.com/learn-to-fly/sport-pilot-license/

They are aviation brokers and may have found leads you can use?]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by WDD]]> 2017-12-12T10:57:28-05:00 2017-12-12T10:57:28-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48401#p48401
Jim Hardin wrote:WDD: What is the problem in Louisville?

Airplane?

Instructor and or attitude?

None of the above?

Have you gone to FBOs and talked to them about other local sources? I see a few airports surrounding you there if you extend your radius out to Lexington.


Problem is finding an instructor with an attitude that they want to teach Sport. I can take almost all of the training hours in their Cessna 172s, and I've told them that. I'll have to find a sport plane to rent to do solo, but that problem is a long way down the road. I've talked to four instructors. I state that I have the cash to spend on training, want to get started right away. One said "We don't teach that". "Those are little airplanes". Another said "recreational license is a bad choice, you can't fly anywhere besides your own airport" "It's just a few more hours, why not get the PPL?". Lot of rationalization and false information. Even after I correct them, such as the difference between sport and recreational, you can fly cross country, I don't want to fly IFR, over 10,000 feet, and don't care if I can't take more than 1 passenger, etc.

FBO's? Not helpful. I called a while back to get my identity checked so my student pilot application could go through. Takes 2 minutes to look at my ID, log into the FAA IACRA and confirm. Her response was "We're too busy to do that. You'll have to find a CFI and pay them a fee to do that."

Training centers (the two are Cardinal and Louisville Aviation here in Louisville) do not call you back. I finally went over to the Cardinal aviation office in the early afternoon, talked to a receptionist, cornered the owner, and after my polite repeated requests - and the vague threat that I wasn't leaving until he helped me, even offering to pay a fee - he finally looked at my ID, went into IACRA, and in 2 minutes certified my identify so I could get the student pilot license.

If people in other areas are running into the same conditions, then I can see why the old guard GA community is shrinking. Might also be somewhat related to why we have a pilot shortage.]]>
Jim Hardin wrote:WDD: What is the problem in Louisville?

Airplane?

Instructor and or attitude?

None of the above?

Have you gone to FBOs and talked to them about other local sources? I see a few airports surrounding you there if you extend your radius out to Lexington.


Problem is finding an instructor with an attitude that they want to teach Sport. I can take almost all of the training hours in their Cessna 172s, and I've told them that. I'll have to find a sport plane to rent to do solo, but that problem is a long way down the road. I've talked to four instructors. I state that I have the cash to spend on training, want to get started right away. One said "We don't teach that". "Those are little airplanes". Another said "recreational license is a bad choice, you can't fly anywhere besides your own airport" "It's just a few more hours, why not get the PPL?". Lot of rationalization and false information. Even after I correct them, such as the difference between sport and recreational, you can fly cross country, I don't want to fly IFR, over 10,000 feet, and don't care if I can't take more than 1 passenger, etc.

FBO's? Not helpful. I called a while back to get my identity checked so my student pilot application could go through. Takes 2 minutes to look at my ID, log into the FAA IACRA and confirm. Her response was "We're too busy to do that. You'll have to find a CFI and pay them a fee to do that."

Training centers (the two are Cardinal and Louisville Aviation here in Louisville) do not call you back. I finally went over to the Cardinal aviation office in the early afternoon, talked to a receptionist, cornered the owner, and after my polite repeated requests - and the vague threat that I wasn't leaving until he helped me, even offering to pay a fee - he finally looked at my ID, went into IACRA, and in 2 minutes certified my identify so I could get the student pilot license.

If people in other areas are running into the same conditions, then I can see why the old guard GA community is shrinking. Might also be somewhat related to why we have a pilot shortage.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T11:53:56-05:00 2017-12-12T11:53:56-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48406#p48406 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T13:12:40-05:00 2017-12-12T13:12:40-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48408#p48408 <![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-12-12T18:07:40-05:00 2017-12-12T18:07:40-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48420#p48420 Holly Guild rather than a business. Still, I wanted to know what it was that you were encountering.

You have two years or less to get this done, depending on when you passed your written. A couple of users have offered some good suggestions and that is probably the best path. Complaining to us is mostly pointless.

Where are you going to rent an LSA once you are licensed? That would be the best place to take your training, but not a requirement.]]>
Holly Guild rather than a business. Still, I wanted to know what it was that you were encountering.

You have two years or less to get this done, depending on when you passed your written. A couple of users have offered some good suggestions and that is probably the best path. Complaining to us is mostly pointless.

Where are you going to rent an LSA once you are licensed? That would be the best place to take your training, but not a requirement.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by joey4420]]> 2017-12-12T19:22:45-05:00 2017-12-12T19:22:45-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48423#p48423
Give Charlie Masters a call, he is the flight school manager 5137359100 ext 264 or email at cmasters@sportys.com Tell him Joey Shreve told you to call... I am sure he still remembers me as it hasn't been that long. That and I was only one of a couple sport pilots they had. I flew every Saturday from November till May.]]>

Give Charlie Masters a call, he is the flight school manager 5137359100 ext 264 or email at cmasters@sportys.com Tell him Joey Shreve told you to call... I am sure he still remembers me as it hasn't been that long. That and I was only one of a couple sport pilots they had. I flew every Saturday from November till May.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T19:28:24-05:00 2017-12-12T19:28:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48425#p48425
joey4420 wrote:FYI, unless sportys sold or crashed the SkyCatcher 162, they still do sport. I just got mine there, finished up in May this year.

Give Charlie Masters a call, he is the flight school manager 5137359100 ext 264 or email at cmasters@sportys.com Tell him Joey Shreve told you to call... I am sure he still remembers me as it hasn't been that long. That and I was only one of a couple sport pilots they had. I flew every Saturday from November till May.

I still remember almost all of my students from 1967 when I started instructing.]]>
joey4420 wrote:FYI, unless sportys sold or crashed the SkyCatcher 162, they still do sport. I just got mine there, finished up in May this year.

Give Charlie Masters a call, he is the flight school manager 5137359100 ext 264 or email at cmasters@sportys.com Tell him Joey Shreve told you to call... I am sure he still remembers me as it hasn't been that long. That and I was only one of a couple sport pilots they had. I flew every Saturday from November till May.

I still remember almost all of my students from 1967 when I started instructing.]]>
<![CDATA[Training :: Re: Looking for a CFI - not that easy :: Reply by HAPPYDAN]]> 2017-12-12T20:20:19-05:00 2017-12-12T20:20:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4952&p=48426#p48426 <![CDATA[Aviation Humor & Mayhem :: Re: Elk Hunting with an RV8? :: Reply by 914Driver]]> 2017-11-21T07:57:15-05:00 2017-11-21T07:57:15-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48246#p48246

Image]]>


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<![CDATA[Aviation Humor & Mayhem :: Re: Elk Hunting with an RV8? :: Reply by Jim Hardin]]> 2017-11-21T14:21:15-05:00 2017-11-21T14:21:15-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4883&p=48249#p48249
Given the amount of damage, I am surprised the Cessna is still so well aligned with the runway.]]>

Given the amount of damage, I am surprised the Cessna is still so well aligned with the runway.]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by Helen]]> 2017-11-28T05:58:09-05:00 2017-11-28T05:58:09-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48298#p48298
http://www.nafinet.org/forms/cfi%27s%20 ... rcraft.pdf

This document was written by myself and other on this list working with the FAA, NAFI, and ASA. It was proofread by the FAA and tries to explain many of these areas of confusion.

Helen]]>

http://www.nafinet.org/forms/cfi%27s%20 ... rcraft.pdf

This document was written by myself and other on this list working with the FAA, NAFI, and ASA. It was proofread by the FAA and tries to explain many of these areas of confusion.

Helen]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by smutny]]> 2017-11-28T10:03:14-05:00 2017-11-28T10:03:14-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48299#p48299 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by restlinbaum]]> 2017-11-28T16:08:36-05:00 2017-11-28T16:08:36-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48300#p48300 <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-28T17:06:45-05:00 2017-11-28T17:06:45-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48301#p48301
restlinbaum wrote:A CFI-S can NOT give a BFR to a PPL, only a PPL who is exercising as a sport pilot only. This is directly from the FAA and the FAR's.
Which FAR says this? Unless you can point out an FAR that actually says that, I'm going to trust Helen on this.]]>
restlinbaum wrote:A CFI-S can NOT give a BFR to a PPL, only a PPL who is exercising as a sport pilot only. This is directly from the FAA and the FAR's.
Which FAR says this? Unless you can point out an FAR that actually says that, I'm going to trust Helen on this.]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-28T17:51:16-05:00 2017-11-28T17:51:16-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48302#p48302
A private pilot who is flying a light sport aircraft during the day in VFR conditions, is exercising sport pilot privileges. If ramp checked by the FAA all he would need to show is his pilot certificate and drivers license, even if he holds a valid medical. It does not matter if a few hours later on a different flight he can exercise private pilot privileges. I am basing this on the new Basic Med requirements that allow a pilot to hold both Basic Med and a FAA medical certificate. The FAA says you must determine before the flight which you are operating under.]]>

A private pilot who is flying a light sport aircraft during the day in VFR conditions, is exercising sport pilot privileges. If ramp checked by the FAA all he would need to show is his pilot certificate and drivers license, even if he holds a valid medical. It does not matter if a few hours later on a different flight he can exercise private pilot privileges. I am basing this on the new Basic Med requirements that allow a pilot to hold both Basic Med and a FAA medical certificate. The FAA says you must determine before the flight which you are operating under.]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-28T18:01:06-05:00 2017-11-28T18:01:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48303#p48303

§ 61.413 What are the privileges of my flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating?
(a) If you hold a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are authorized, within the limits of your certificate and rating, to provide training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to -


(1) A student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate;

(2) A sport pilot certificate;

(3) A flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;

(4) A powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating;

(5) Sport pilot privileges;

(6) A flight review or operating privilege for a sport pilot;

(7) A practical test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;

(8) A knowledge test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating; and

(9) A proficiency check for an additional category or class privilege for a sport pilot certificate or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating.

(b) A person who holds a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating is authorized, in a form and manner acceptable to the Administrator, to:

(1) Accept an application for a student pilot certificate or, for an applicant who holds a pilot certificate (other than a student pilot certificate) issued under part 61 of this chapter and meets the flight review requirements specified in § 61.56, a remote pilot certificate with a small UAS rating;

(2) Verify the identity of the applicant; and

(3) Verify that an applicant for a student pilot certificate meets the eligibility requirements in § 61.83.

[Docket FAA-2010-1127, Amdt. 61-135, 81 FR 1307, Jan. 12, 2016, as amended by Docket FAA-2015-0150, Amdt. 61-137, 81 FR 42208, June 28, 2016]]]>


§ 61.413 What are the privileges of my flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating?
(a) If you hold a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are authorized, within the limits of your certificate and rating, to provide training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to -


(1) A student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate;

(2) A sport pilot certificate;

(3) A flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;

(4) A powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating;

(5) Sport pilot privileges;

(6) A flight review or operating privilege for a sport pilot;

(7) A practical test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;

(8) A knowledge test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating; and

(9) A proficiency check for an additional category or class privilege for a sport pilot certificate or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating.

(b) A person who holds a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating is authorized, in a form and manner acceptable to the Administrator, to:

(1) Accept an application for a student pilot certificate or, for an applicant who holds a pilot certificate (other than a student pilot certificate) issued under part 61 of this chapter and meets the flight review requirements specified in § 61.56, a remote pilot certificate with a small UAS rating;

(2) Verify the identity of the applicant; and

(3) Verify that an applicant for a student pilot certificate meets the eligibility requirements in § 61.83.

[Docket FAA-2010-1127, Amdt. 61-135, 81 FR 1307, Jan. 12, 2016, as amended by Docket FAA-2015-0150, Amdt. 61-137, 81 FR 42208, June 28, 2016]]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-28T19:32:41-05:00 2017-11-28T19:32:41-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48304#p48304 https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... tation.pdf]]> https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... tation.pdf]]> <![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-28T22:08:41-05:00 2017-11-28T22:08:41-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48306#p48306
3Dreaming wrote:I said I was basing what I said based on the Basic Med requirements. The relevant information for my opinion is on page 12 of this FAA document.
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... tation.pdf
Yes, based on that and the FAR you referenced, a pilot who had a current medical and also had accomplished the requirements of Basic Med could get a Flight Review from a Sport CFI while acting as a Sport Pilot. That still leaves open the question, could that same CFI give a Flight Review to a Private in an LSA who had a medical but had not accomplished the requirements of Basic Med. He would simply be a Private taking a Flight Review in an LSA from a Sport CFI. IDK.]]>
3Dreaming wrote:I said I was basing what I said based on the Basic Med requirements. The relevant information for my opinion is on page 12 of this FAA document.
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... tation.pdf
Yes, based on that and the FAR you referenced, a pilot who had a current medical and also had accomplished the requirements of Basic Med could get a Flight Review from a Sport CFI while acting as a Sport Pilot. That still leaves open the question, could that same CFI give a Flight Review to a Private in an LSA who had a medical but had not accomplished the requirements of Basic Med. He would simply be a Private taking a Flight Review in an LSA from a Sport CFI. IDK.]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-11-28T23:51:09-05:00 2017-11-28T23:51:09-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48307#p48307
It has always been my opinion that what you are doing in a airplane determines the level of medical certificate needed, and what privileges you are exercising. For example all in the same day with the same airplane you cancan exercise commercial, private, and sport pilot privileges. All while flying the same airplane.

Here is how it can be done. You get up in the morning and pull your J3 out of the hangar. You have a little ground fog. You take off when the visibility improves to 2 miles, and fly over to a neighboring airport. While at this airport you sell and give rides in the Cub. When you are finished you fly home. That evening you take your son for a relaxing flight. To and from would be private pilot privileges, especially with the 2 miles visibility. The rides would be commercial privileges. The relaxing evening flight would be sport privileges.]]>

It has always been my opinion that what you are doing in a airplane determines the level of medical certificate needed, and what privileges you are exercising. For example all in the same day with the same airplane you cancan exercise commercial, private, and sport pilot privileges. All while flying the same airplane.

Here is how it can be done. You get up in the morning and pull your J3 out of the hangar. You have a little ground fog. You take off when the visibility improves to 2 miles, and fly over to a neighboring airport. While at this airport you sell and give rides in the Cub. When you are finished you fly home. That evening you take your son for a relaxing flight. To and from would be private pilot privileges, especially with the 2 miles visibility. The rides would be commercial privileges. The relaxing evening flight would be sport privileges.]]>
<![CDATA[Instructors' Corner :: Re: CFIS Questions :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-28T23:58:55-05:00 2017-11-28T23:58:55-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4755&p=48308#p48308 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Fuel pressure :: Reply by bstrachan]]> 2017-11-13T11:12:01-05:00 2017-11-13T11:12:01-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4276&p=48214#p48214
1. As mentioned in my previous post, I fixed the vapor return line that comes out of the "spider" on top of the engine back to the main tank. No idea how mine got plugged up, but having this return working properly is MANDATORY.

2. I had occasionally noticed a big WHOOSH when I opened the main tank to refuel after flying. My buddy, the previous owner of the airplane, had observed the same thing. I checked the main tank vent several times, it was always open, but somehow the convoluted plumbing of that vent tube wasn't allowing air into the tank to replace fuel consumed and the fuel pump was sucking a vacuum on the tank. So I drilled a tiny hole (#55 drill) in the non-vented fuel cap. No more WHOOSH. And yes, I know the fuel cap is located in a low pressure area on top of the wing. Most - not all - fuel caps, vented or no, are on top of the wing. All I can tell you is that tiny hole breaks the vacuum in the tank, and no fuel syphons out.

Since making these two adjustments (it's been over a year) I have had ZERO low fuel pressure indications. It runs a pretty steady 3 PSI which I believe is what those Bing carbs want to see. I burn Shell 91 octane (highest octane they sell here at 5700 feet), I check every batch, and I have never found any water or ethanol in this fuel.

Just for what it's worth.

Barrie]]>

1. As mentioned in my previous post, I fixed the vapor return line that comes out of the "spider" on top of the engine back to the main tank. No idea how mine got plugged up, but having this return working properly is MANDATORY.

2. I had occasionally noticed a big WHOOSH when I opened the main tank to refuel after flying. My buddy, the previous owner of the airplane, had observed the same thing. I checked the main tank vent several times, it was always open, but somehow the convoluted plumbing of that vent tube wasn't allowing air into the tank to replace fuel consumed and the fuel pump was sucking a vacuum on the tank. So I drilled a tiny hole (#55 drill) in the non-vented fuel cap. No more WHOOSH. And yes, I know the fuel cap is located in a low pressure area on top of the wing. Most - not all - fuel caps, vented or no, are on top of the wing. All I can tell you is that tiny hole breaks the vacuum in the tank, and no fuel syphons out.

Since making these two adjustments (it's been over a year) I have had ZERO low fuel pressure indications. It runs a pretty steady 3 PSI which I believe is what those Bing carbs want to see. I burn Shell 91 octane (highest octane they sell here at 5700 feet), I check every batch, and I have never found any water or ethanol in this fuel.

Just for what it's worth.

Barrie]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: High CHT indication :: Reply by roger lee]]> 2017-11-13T08:29:05-05:00 2017-11-13T08:29:05-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48213#p48213 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: High CHT indication :: Reply by Ed Rawlings]]> 2017-11-14T05:40:23-05:00 2017-11-14T05:40:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4934&p=48223#p48223 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Rotax Repairman Inspection Airplane :: Author TN8S]]> 2017-11-28T19:41:43-05:00 2017-11-28T19:41:43-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48305#p48305
Tim
Hollywood, SC]]>

Tim
Hollywood, SC]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Rotax Repairman Inspection Airplane :: Reply by Scooper]]> 2017-11-29T21:54:15-05:00 2017-11-29T21:54:15-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4941&p=48310#p48310
Brian and Carol are very knowledgeable and do a great job presenting the material. The 16 hour LSRI course had some Rotax 912 hands-on, but it wasn't exclusively about Rotax engines as I would expect a course conducted by Rotax to be.]]>

Brian and Carol are very knowledgeable and do a great job presenting the material. The 16 hour LSRI course had some Rotax 912 hands-on, but it wasn't exclusively about Rotax engines as I would expect a course conducted by Rotax to be.]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Author dstclair]]> 2017-12-04T10:33:51-05:00 2017-12-04T10:33:51-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48318#p48318 http://www.shop.perma-cool.com/media/300013%20rev6.pdf) that appears to be seeping a tiny bit of oil. The oil accumulates on the 'end cap'. My mechanic and I suspect that there is an o-ring behind the end cap that needs to be replaced. Before making a big mess and removing the end cap, does anyone know if there is indeed a field replaceable o-ring?

I have dropped a note to Perma-Cool as well.

It would be a bit of a PITA to replace the oil thermostat, although the part is only $80.]]>
http://www.shop.perma-cool.com/media/300013%20rev6.pdf) that appears to be seeping a tiny bit of oil. The oil accumulates on the 'end cap'. My mechanic and I suspect that there is an o-ring behind the end cap that needs to be replaced. Before making a big mess and removing the end cap, does anyone know if there is indeed a field replaceable o-ring?

I have dropped a note to Perma-Cool as well.

It would be a bit of a PITA to replace the oil thermostat, although the part is only $80.]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-04T20:57:06-05:00 2017-12-04T20:57:06-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48319#p48319 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-04T21:54:23-05:00 2017-12-04T21:54:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48320#p48320
3Dreaming wrote:I don't know the answer, but I have aused one on the shelf. If I remember I'll check tomorrow.

Why don't you write yourself a note so you WILL remember? Simple enough.]]>
3Dreaming wrote:I don't know the answer, but I have aused one on the shelf. If I remember I'll check tomorrow.

Why don't you write yourself a note so you WILL remember? Simple enough.]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-05T09:48:41-05:00 2017-12-05T09:48:41-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48321#p48321
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I don't know the answer, but I have aused one on the shelf. If I remember I'll check tomorrow.

Why don't you write yourself a note so you WILL remember? Simple enough.


Because I would likely forget to bring it to work with me. :oops:]]>
TimTaylor wrote:
3Dreaming wrote:I don't know the answer, but I have aused one on the shelf. If I remember I'll check tomorrow.

Why don't you write yourself a note so you WILL remember? Simple enough.


Because I would likely forget to bring it to work with me. :oops:]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by dstclair]]> 2017-12-05T09:55:19-05:00 2017-12-05T09:55:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48322#p48322 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-05T11:34:27-05:00 2017-12-05T11:34:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48323#p48323 There are 2 o rings. Laying on a ruler the OD is 34mm, and the ID is 30mm. I recently completed a hose change on a 912 and had the spare parts still here to show the customer. The intake to cylinder o ring for the 912 is 34x2. The thermostat o ring just fits inside of the intake o ring. The intake o ring fits the groove in the thermostat cap just fine. Based on that I would say that it is a 30x2 metric o ring.]]> There are 2 o rings. Laying on a ruler the OD is 34mm, and the ID is 30mm. I recently completed a hose change on a 912 and had the spare parts still here to show the customer. The intake to cylinder o ring for the 912 is 34x2. The thermostat o ring just fits inside of the intake o ring. The intake o ring fits the groove in the thermostat cap just fine. Based on that I would say that it is a 30x2 metric o ring.]]> <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-07T10:47:24-05:00 2017-12-07T10:47:24-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48324#p48324 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by dstclair]]> 2017-12-07T21:24:20-05:00 2017-12-07T21:24:20-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48330#p48330
There are two. Though they can be replaced, those t-stats are pressure tested here after assembly to insure that they do not leak. The O-rings are a little tricky when replacing the caps also as they are a tight fit and can get damaged during the assembly process (or in your case, attempting to re-assemble.) We can only tell this ourselves after the pressure test.

You might be better off ordering a new one in terms of time saved and avoiding frustration if it leaks after you have gone to the trouble of trying to repair.

Do you believe the O-rings can be replaced easily based on your disassembly?]]>
There are two. Though they can be replaced, those t-stats are pressure tested here after assembly to insure that they do not leak. The O-rings are a little tricky when replacing the caps also as they are a tight fit and can get damaged during the assembly process (or in your case, attempting to re-assemble.) We can only tell this ourselves after the pressure test.

You might be better off ordering a new one in terms of time saved and avoiding frustration if it leaks after you have gone to the trouble of trying to repair.

Do you believe the O-rings can be replaced easily based on your disassembly?]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Perma-cool oil thermostat O-ring :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-07T22:16:55-05:00 2017-12-07T22:16:55-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4944&p=48331#p48331
dstclair wrote:I received the below from Perma-Cool:
There are two. Though they can be replaced, those t-stats are pressure tested here after assembly to insure that they do not leak. The O-rings are a little tricky when replacing the caps also as they are a tight fit and can get damaged during the assembly process (or in your case, attempting to re-assemble.) We can only tell this ourselves after the pressure test.

You might be better off ordering a new one in terms of time saved and avoiding frustration if it leaks after you have gone to the trouble of trying to repair.

Do you believe the O-rings can be replaced easily based on your disassembly?


I put the one I disassembled back together with the old o-rings, and it went together easy. Even with new o-rings I don't think it will be a problem, just lube the o-rings before putting it back together.]]>
dstclair wrote:I received the below from Perma-Cool:
There are two. Though they can be replaced, those t-stats are pressure tested here after assembly to insure that they do not leak. The O-rings are a little tricky when replacing the caps also as they are a tight fit and can get damaged during the assembly process (or in your case, attempting to re-assemble.) We can only tell this ourselves after the pressure test.

You might be better off ordering a new one in terms of time saved and avoiding frustration if it leaks after you have gone to the trouble of trying to repair.

Do you believe the O-rings can be replaced easily based on your disassembly?


I put the one I disassembled back together with the old o-rings, and it went together easy. Even with new o-rings I don't think it will be a problem, just lube the o-rings before putting it back together.]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Time to paint. :: Author 914Driver]]> 2017-12-09T17:44:18-05:00 2017-12-09T17:44:18-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48376#p48376 PC is tougher, lasts longer etc., legal?

Thanks, Dan]]>
PC is tougher, lasts longer etc., legal?

Thanks, Dan]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Time to paint. :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-09T19:01:42-05:00 2017-12-09T19:01:42-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4949&p=48377#p48377
914Driver wrote:Certificated aircraft needs the landing gear repainted due to superficial rust, can they be powder coated?
PC is tougher, lasts longer etc., legal?

Thanks, Dan


First it will depend on the structure of the gear. Tube structures that have had the interior of the tubing treated can be a problem during the coating process. You will find there are many different opinions on powder coating. The biggest concern is corrosion or crack that can develop that remain hidden by the coating. Prep is also very important. I recently have done some research on the subject for a project my son is doing. If it is a steel part you will want to have it blasted, coated with a zinc rich base, followed by your top coat color choice. This means 2 coats of material. Make sure that if there are any saddles that the gear sit in that the added material thickness will not cause any problem.]]>
914Driver wrote:Certificated aircraft needs the landing gear repainted due to superficial rust, can they be powder coated?
PC is tougher, lasts longer etc., legal?

Thanks, Dan


First it will depend on the structure of the gear. Tube structures that have had the interior of the tubing treated can be a problem during the coating process. You will find there are many different opinions on powder coating. The biggest concern is corrosion or crack that can develop that remain hidden by the coating. Prep is also very important. I recently have done some research on the subject for a project my son is doing. If it is a steel part you will want to have it blasted, coated with a zinc rich base, followed by your top coat color choice. This means 2 coats of material. Make sure that if there are any saddles that the gear sit in that the added material thickness will not cause any problem.]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Calling all Texan’s in the Dallas area! :: Author jetcat3]]> 2017-12-11T18:18:27-05:00 2017-12-11T18:18:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4951&p=48379#p48379
Just email info@ussportaircraft.com for more information and to sign up! Yes, it is free. :)

https://youtu.be/js_Oy3jqYpQ]]>

Just email info@ussportaircraft.com for more information and to sign up! Yes, it is free. :)

https://youtu.be/js_Oy3jqYpQ]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Exhaust break :: Reply by drdehave]]> 2017-12-11T19:50:29-05:00 2017-12-11T19:50:29-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4885&p=48380#p48380

Then, today, after flying again, I did pull the cowlings--to remove the air filters (to take home) for service. I was greeted by this broken #1 exhaust (sorry, unable to upload the picture, today). No problem, I thought. That's why I keep all those spare parts. I'll just go grab a replacement. That's when I found the bad news: I have TWO #2s, but NO #1s on the shelf! :oops:

Now, I am once again at the mercy of SportairUSA and/or TL Ultralight. I don't like being in this place. I do hope they have one on the shelf tomorrow, when I call :roll: We'll see.

Also, I am now nearly 3 months into going without my whole-plane parachute, which was removed and sent to the Czech Republic for service back in September. That's a whole other sordid story that I will report on when it comes to a conclusion... :oops: Stand by.]]>


Then, today, after flying again, I did pull the cowlings--to remove the air filters (to take home) for service. I was greeted by this broken #1 exhaust (sorry, unable to upload the picture, today). No problem, I thought. That's why I keep all those spare parts. I'll just go grab a replacement. That's when I found the bad news: I have TWO #2s, but NO #1s on the shelf! :oops:

Now, I am once again at the mercy of SportairUSA and/or TL Ultralight. I don't like being in this place. I do hope they have one on the shelf tomorrow, when I call :roll: We'll see.

Also, I am now nearly 3 months into going without my whole-plane parachute, which was removed and sent to the Czech Republic for service back in September. That's a whole other sordid story that I will report on when it comes to a conclusion... :oops: Stand by.]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Failed Aux Fuel Pump (Facet)? :: Reply by dstclair]]> 2017-12-01T17:25:19-05:00 2017-12-01T17:25:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48314#p48314

Aux Pump worked fine for a couple flights but yesterday spun up as usual and abruptly went silent. Flipped the switch off then on -- and nothing. Fuel pressure was reading zero. Decided to start up the engine anyway and the mechanical pump worked fine. Did a run up for no particular reason then powered off. Checked the aux pump -- and lo and behold it works.

I should've listened to Rich and replaced the pump a few weeks ago.
The first indications were intermittent "going quiet," followed sometimes by many hours of working just fine.

Now my mechanic is busy for two weeks so I'm grounded for a while. :cry:]]>


Aux Pump worked fine for a couple flights but yesterday spun up as usual and abruptly went silent. Flipped the switch off then on -- and nothing. Fuel pressure was reading zero. Decided to start up the engine anyway and the mechanical pump worked fine. Did a run up for no particular reason then powered off. Checked the aux pump -- and lo and behold it works.

I should've listened to Rich and replaced the pump a few weeks ago.
The first indications were intermittent "going quiet," followed sometimes by many hours of working just fine.

Now my mechanic is busy for two weeks so I'm grounded for a while. :cry:]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Failed Aux Fuel Pump (Facet)? :: Reply by dstclair]]> 2017-12-12T10:31:43-05:00 2017-12-12T10:31:43-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48400#p48400
Now here's the interesting factoid. I had my mechanical fuel pump replaced with the 'new' pump 2-3 years ago. My engine has never skipped a beat but the pressure would occasionally drop to 1.8 - 2.2 from 3.5 - 4.0, then bounce back again. The Rotax SB mentions the new pump could do this so I assumed this was normal operation. Getting warning lights wasn't my favorite so the last year or so, I just kept the aux pump engaged all the time (like the RV-12 SLSA). This ensured that the lower range was always in the green.

I've had 3 flights with the new aux pump and I'm using it in typical fashion again (take off, landing and climbs as per a TL-Ultralight SB). Now when the aux pump is 'off', my fuel pressure is steady at ~4.0 PSI. I'm almost getting confident enough to fly like I did for 8+ years -- never engaging the aux pump in flight. Is it possible that my old pump, even when 'off', was causing fuel pressure issues?]]>

Now here's the interesting factoid. I had my mechanical fuel pump replaced with the 'new' pump 2-3 years ago. My engine has never skipped a beat but the pressure would occasionally drop to 1.8 - 2.2 from 3.5 - 4.0, then bounce back again. The Rotax SB mentions the new pump could do this so I assumed this was normal operation. Getting warning lights wasn't my favorite so the last year or so, I just kept the aux pump engaged all the time (like the RV-12 SLSA). This ensured that the lower range was always in the green.

I've had 3 flights with the new aux pump and I'm using it in typical fashion again (take off, landing and climbs as per a TL-Ultralight SB). Now when the aux pump is 'off', my fuel pressure is steady at ~4.0 PSI. I'm almost getting confident enough to fly like I did for 8+ years -- never engaging the aux pump in flight. Is it possible that my old pump, even when 'off', was causing fuel pressure issues?]]>
<![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Failed Aux Fuel Pump (Facet)? :: Reply by drdehave]]> 2017-12-12T11:17:51-05:00 2017-12-12T11:17:51-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4915&p=48403#p48403 ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Cessnaa type master switch/Rotax 912 :: Author chuckb01]]> 2017-12-12T17:27:23-05:00 2017-12-12T17:27:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4953&p=48417#p48417 <![CDATA[Ask The Mechanic :: Re: Cessnaa type master switch/Rotax 912 :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T18:04:27-05:00 2017-12-12T18:04:27-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4953&p=48419#p48419 <![CDATA[Flying Clubs :: Re: Looking to start an experimental/sport flying club :: Reply by cimmaronjim]]> 2017-12-12T16:41:04-05:00 2017-12-12T16:41:04-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4395&p=48410#p48410
Anyone who thinks GA is dying should try finding a hangar to rent in Southern AZ.]]>

Anyone who thinks GA is dying should try finding a hangar to rent in Southern AZ.]]>
<![CDATA[Flying Clubs :: Re: Looking to start an experimental/sport flying club :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T16:51:03-05:00 2017-12-12T16:51:03-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4395&p=48412#p48412 <![CDATA[Flying Clubs :: Re: Looking to start an experimental/sport flying club :: Reply by Warmi]]> 2017-12-12T16:52:11-05:00 2017-12-12T16:52:11-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4395&p=48413#p48413 The only explanation is that majority of existing installations are non-profitable and heavily subsidized one way or another ( basically by taxes of some sort ) and thus no private entity can reasonably compete with that so you end up with an equivalent of socialized healthcare - kind of sort of works but it is always suffering from too high demand and not enough resources.]]> The only explanation is that majority of existing installations are non-profitable and heavily subsidized one way or another ( basically by taxes of some sort ) and thus no private entity can reasonably compete with that so you end up with an equivalent of socialized healthcare - kind of sort of works but it is always suffering from too high demand and not enough resources.]]> <![CDATA[Flying Clubs :: Re: Looking to start an experimental/sport flying club :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-12-12T17:00:52-05:00 2017-12-12T17:00:52-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4395&p=48414#p48414
cimmaronjim wrote:Well we have aircraft now so are starting to structure our club. We won't be able to do it where we had planned as they have gotten so busy over the past year there is no room for us.

Anyone who thinks GA is dying should try finding a hangar to rent in Southern AZ.
I just looked at your website. Looks like you have done an excellent job in thinking this through and setting it up. How many members do you have so far? I wish you were located in Atlanta.]]>
cimmaronjim wrote:Well we have aircraft now so are starting to structure our club. We won't be able to do it where we had planned as they have gotten so busy over the past year there is no room for us.

Anyone who thinks GA is dying should try finding a hangar to rent in Southern AZ.
I just looked at your website. Looks like you have done an excellent job in thinking this through and setting it up. How many members do you have so far? I wish you were located in Atlanta.]]>
<![CDATA[Flying Clubs :: Re: Looking to start an experimental/sport flying club :: Reply by cimmaronjim]]> 2017-12-12T17:13:14-05:00 2017-12-12T17:13:14-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4395&p=48415#p48415
My Dad found a barn find Ercoupe and over the summer we picked it up from Missouri. Alongside our A&P, we have been working on it and it is just about ready. We found another one in Kentucky. We think it will be ready in about 6 months to a year.

We also just got an incredible deal on a Stitts Playboy, We don't think it will take much to get it airworthy.

As soon as we find a place, we will get up and running.]]>

My Dad found a barn find Ercoupe and over the summer we picked it up from Missouri. Alongside our A&P, we have been working on it and it is just about ready. We found another one in Kentucky. We think it will be ready in about 6 months to a year.

We also just got an incredible deal on a Stitts Playboy, We don't think it will take much to get it airworthy.

As soon as we find a place, we will get up and running.]]>
<![CDATA[Flying Clubs :: Re: Looking to start an experimental/sport flying club :: Reply by 3Dreaming]]> 2017-12-12T18:34:19-05:00 2017-12-12T18:34:19-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4395&p=48421#p48421 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Just Karen having fun with iMovie :: Reply by ShayneB]]> 2017-11-19T05:24:54-05:00 2017-11-19T05:24:54-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48237#p48237 <![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Just Karen having fun with iMovie :: Reply by FastEddieB]]> 2017-11-21T06:55:30-05:00 2017-11-21T06:55:30-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48245#p48245
Rewatching that always brings a smile to my face! I’m so proud of her creative talents.

I’ll keeo everyone informed of the release date!]]>

Rewatching that always brings a smile to my face! I’m so proud of her creative talents.

I’ll keeo everyone informed of the release date!]]>
<![CDATA[Eye Candy :: Re: Just Karen having fun with iMovie :: Reply by David]]> 2017-11-23T18:31:26-05:00 2017-11-23T18:31:26-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4899&p=48283#p48283 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by zodiac flyer]]> 2017-11-20T11:44:55-05:00 2017-11-20T11:44:55-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48238#p48238 I bought a flying 2006 AMD factory built aircraft, with a glass panel, Garmin avionics, for 35K, thats with 400 hours and a Continental 0-200.
There is a very nice flying 601 for sale right now with a Jabiru 6 cylinder engine, 70 hours for 20K
If you really want to sell it, get realistic about what it's market value really is, put an ad on Barnstormers with a price listed.
I see you have a lot of lookers, if you really want to sell it, there is a buyer for the right price.
Dave]]>
I bought a flying 2006 AMD factory built aircraft, with a glass panel, Garmin avionics, for 35K, thats with 400 hours and a Continental 0-200.
There is a very nice flying 601 for sale right now with a Jabiru 6 cylinder engine, 70 hours for 20K
If you really want to sell it, get realistic about what it's market value really is, put an ad on Barnstormers with a price listed.
I see you have a lot of lookers, if you really want to sell it, there is a buyer for the right price.
Dave]]>
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-20T17:12:10-05:00 2017-11-20T17:12:10-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48239#p48239 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by drseti]]> 2017-11-20T20:54:29-05:00 2017-11-20T20:54:29-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48242#p48242
TimTaylor wrote: He's asking for offers.


No, he's asking for reasonable offers. If I offered him $10 right now, I doubt he'd find that reasonable.]]>
TimTaylor wrote: He's asking for offers.


No, he's asking for reasonable offers. If I offered him $10 right now, I doubt he'd find that reasonable.]]>
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by TimTaylor]]> 2017-11-20T20:58:49-05:00 2017-11-20T20:58:49-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48243#p48243 <![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by zodiac flyer]]> 2017-11-29T13:38:47-05:00 2017-11-29T13:38:47-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48309#p48309 I was just trying to advise him of the current value of his unfinished aircraft. I know that for me if no price is listed, I'm not usually interested
Everything will sell for the right price.
Dave]]>
I was just trying to advise him of the current value of his unfinished aircraft. I know that for me if no price is listed, I'm not usually interested
Everything will sell for the right price.
Dave]]>
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: ZENITH 601XLB FOR SALE BELOW COST !!!!!!!! :: Reply by Scooper]]> 2017-11-30T17:44:23-05:00 2017-11-30T17:44:23-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4866&p=48311#p48311
Sorry if some of you have taken my post the wrong way. I was just trying to help the OP out, he did not seem to get any response to his ad, and usually when no price is listed, it denotes either a person who is not aware of the value, or he wants a high price which if listed would chase away serious buyers.

Dave, I think you offered good advice. Unfinished 601XL kits are very difficult to value unless they're complete quick-build kits with the B mod kit, so a more complete description with some photos of what he's selling would probably have attracted more attention.

Looking at Barnstormers, a complete flying 601XL-B tail dragger nicely equipped with 208 TT and Lycoming O-235 L2C just sold for $27,500.

I'm keeping my AMD 601XL-B 'til I croak; it's a great little airplane.]]>
Sorry if some of you have taken my post the wrong way. I was just trying to help the OP out, he did not seem to get any response to his ad, and usually when no price is listed, it denotes either a person who is not aware of the value, or he wants a high price which if listed would chase away serious buyers.

Dave, I think you offered good advice. Unfinished 601XL kits are very difficult to value unless they're complete quick-build kits with the B mod kit, so a more complete description with some photos of what he's selling would probably have attracted more attention.

Looking at Barnstormers, a complete flying 601XL-B tail dragger nicely equipped with 208 TT and Lycoming O-235 L2C just sold for $27,500.

I'm keeping my AMD 601XL-B 'til I croak; it's a great little airplane.]]>
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Aircraft for sale :: Author FastEddieB]]> 2017-12-01T10:26:47-05:00 2017-12-01T10:26:47-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48312#p48312
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Know nothing about them - just passing it on.]]>

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Know nothing about them - just passing it on.]]>
<![CDATA[The Want Ads :: Re: Aircraft for sale :: Reply by Merlinspop]]> 2017-12-01T11:18:02-05:00 2017-12-01T11:18:02-05:00 http://sportpilottalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4942&p=48313#p48313